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tm602
02-02-2018, 11:36 AM
Worth it? I have @7000TT, 650 TPIC, prior 121 (currently at a frac) with GV and smaller type ratings (5 of them). 3000 as instructor airplane and about 1500 as instructor in a CRJ200 FTD as well as GS instructor in same.
I'm more of an instructor at heart, but line flying is what pays the bills. This opening pays "up to" (I always am suspicious of that term) a rate that I can live on, but Mesa has a reputation as we all know and I'm looking for current Mesa people to chime in. PM me if you want or put it out here.
Thanks


NovemberBravo
02-03-2018, 08:43 AM
Completely new position as far as I know all other instructors are line captains. I’m assuming they made this position to send some of those guys back on the line since we’re short. If they pay you captain rate I think it’s a pretty good deal lots of OT from what I gather. The main girl that does all the scheduling is leaving tho and I think she kept those guys happy so there might be issues moving forward with whoever takes it over.

No Land 3
02-03-2018, 11:08 PM
Completely new position as far as I know all other instructors are line captains. I’m assuming they made this position to send some of those guys back on the line since we’re short. If they pay you captain rate I think it’s a pretty good deal lots of OT from what I gather. The main girl that does all the scheduling is leaving tho and I think she kept those guys happy so there might be issues moving forward with whoever takes it over.

Kendra is leaving?


backtoregionals
02-04-2018, 07:28 AM
Kendra is leaving?

She quit back in December I think.

tm602
02-04-2018, 08:22 AM
Thanks NB.

DonConsult67
02-05-2018, 03:20 PM
Question:
...Mesa continually touts “Hired by Line Pilots, Trained by Line Pilots”...
If that’s the case, why go outside Mesa for instructors or is that tag line, which appears on Mesa’s web site, recruitment materials, and goodies Mesa give away at air shows, open houses and recruitment events, no longer true?
We have a former student at the Mesa training facility now who reports none of his instructors have been “line pilots”.
What gives?

tm602
02-05-2018, 05:25 PM
Question:
...Mesa continually touts “Hired by Line Pilots, Trained by Line Pilots”...
If that’s the case, why go outside Mesa for instructors or is that tag line, which appears on Mesa’s web site, recruitment materials, and goodies Mesa give away at air shows, open houses and recruitment events, no longer true?
We have a former student at the Mesa training facility now who reports none of his instructors have been “line pilots”.
What gives?

From what's been explained to me, the instructors are also line qualified and do a trip or 2 a month, sometimes more.

calmwinds
02-05-2018, 05:30 PM
From what's been explained to me, the instructors are also line qualified and do a trip or 2 a month, sometimes more.

What about the Flight Safety SIM instructors in STL? Are they “line qualified” even though they don’t work for Mesa?

tm602
02-05-2018, 06:58 PM
What about the Flight Safety SIM instructors in STL? Are they “line qualified” even though they don’t work for Mesa?

Don't know. STL is a depressing place...I'd be begging to fly the line just to get away.

calmwinds
02-06-2018, 01:31 AM
Don't know. STL is a depressing place...I'd be begging to fly the line just to get away.

What I am telling you is the “selling point” is bogus, a flat out lie... this all went by the wayside last summer... and, I don’t think Mesa even tries to live up to this anymore.

How can you be hiring SIM instructors off the street who are “line qualified”.... or using Flight Safety instructors who are “line qualified”....

Xdashdriver
02-06-2018, 06:25 AM
What about the Flight Safety SIM instructors in STL? Are they “line qualified” even though they don’t work for Mesa?

No, they are not line qualified.

NovemberBravo
02-06-2018, 08:22 AM
Question:
...Mesa continually touts “Hired by Line Pilots, Trained by Line Pilots”...
If that’s the case, why go outside Mesa for instructors or is that tag line, which appears on Mesa’s web site, recruitment materials, and goodies Mesa give away at air shows, open houses and recruitment events, no longer true?
We have a former student at the Mesa training facility now who reports none of his instructors have been “line pilots”.
What gives?

We’re short pilots that’s why. I honestly doubt this is true as well unless things have seriously changed since November when I was there for AQP

pca2010
02-06-2018, 09:09 AM
The company needs instructors. I can tell you two instructors who are line pilots now.
I know we need instructors now because I am in the training center and there is a back up due to instructor shortage. The instructors are flying the line.

NovemberBravo
02-06-2018, 10:05 AM
Also I’m speaking from the CRJ side I have no idea what goes on with the ERJ

No Land 3
02-07-2018, 11:46 PM
Also I’m speaking from the CRJ side I have no idea what goes on with the ERJ

Is Mesa stepping over dollars to pick up pennies again?
Need every pilot to fly the line, yet can’t get new guys through training because everyone is flying the line... Hence why you pay outsiders to instruct in the sim... They would have them flying the line too if they could.

tm602
02-08-2018, 08:06 AM
Is Mesa stepping over dollars to pick up pennies again?
Need every pilot to fly the line, yet can’t get new guys through training because everyone is flying the line... Hence why you pay outsiders to instruct in the sim... They would have them flying the line too if they could.

What I'm having a hard time believing is the pay from 88,000 to 100,000. That's very unRegional.

No Land 3
02-08-2018, 08:13 AM
What I'm having a hard time believing is the pay from 88,000 to 100,000. That's very unRegional.

Sim instructors at K4, which are K4 pilots, bring home around 300k, so I would say 88 to 100k is actually regional rate.

calmwinds
02-08-2018, 08:50 AM
Sim instructors at K4, which are K4 pilots, bring home around 300k, so I would say 88 to 100k is actually regional rate.

My buddy at SkyWest who teaches in the SIM makes more than the line CA’s by far. I would tend to say this is low for a regional rate for a SIM instructor.

DonConsult67
02-09-2018, 04:16 AM
"...there is a back up due to instructor shortage"

Our former student reported the Training Department cannot confirm anybody's schedule and told the most recent class not to expect any advance notice for at least 10 days to 2 weeks.

Is this vicious cycle ever going to get fixed because they also reported Mesa holds a new class every two weeks putting more people into a pipeline they can't handle (?).

Her CRJ class of 10 people will consume approximately 68 instructor hours in the computer trainers, 101 instructor hours in the paper tigers, and 560 instructor hours in the SIM including pre- and post-briefings. That's one class needing 729 instructor hours post-ground-school ~ or 91 eight-hour days.

Does Mesa have the personnel and time or will it implode under the weight of this backed up pipeline when it can't deliver to AA and UA?

calmwinds
02-09-2018, 05:48 AM
"...there is a back up due to instructor shortage"

Our former student reported the Training Department cannot confirm anybody's schedule and told the most recent class not to expect any advance notice for at least 10 days to 2 weeks.

Is this vicious cycle ever going to get fixed because they also reported Mesa holds a new class every two weeks putting more people into a pipeline they can't handle (?).

Her CRJ class of 10 people will consume approximately 68 instructor hours in the computer trainers, 101 instructor hours in the paper tigers, and 560 instructor hours in the SIM including pre- and post-briefings. That's one class needing 729 instructor hours post-ground-school ~ or 91 eight-hour days.

Does Mesa have the personnel and time or will it implode under the weight of this backed up pipeline when it can't deliver to AA and UA?

Is there a problem on the CRJ side? It isn’t evident from posts here. And, your paper tiger training doesn’t match what we received.

On the Ejet side, I have heard relief is coming. Flight Safety instructors are reportedly being used. Additional SIM time is being acquired. The most recent Ejet pilots are getting through to IOE in about 5 months from date of hire. Based on what I hear, I expect this to shorten by summer.

Mesa won’t implode. Someone will buy Mesa before it implodes. This is a prime market for a regional right now, majors are flush with cash.

tm602
02-09-2018, 09:49 AM
Well, I applied a week ago and haven't heard a cricket so it must not be that bad. I have a lot of instructing experience and also 121 line experience.

calmwinds
02-09-2018, 12:30 PM
Well, I applied a week ago and haven't heard a cricket so it must not be that bad. I have a lot of instructing experience and also 121 line experience.

What are you typed in?

tm602
02-09-2018, 07:03 PM
What are you typed in?

GV, CL30, BAe4100, EMB 505, CE500, EMB505 and BE400. Also flew the BAe3201 and EMB145 but FOs weren't typed back then.

calmwinds
02-09-2018, 11:20 PM
GV, CL30, BAe4100, EMB 505, CE500, EMB505 and BE400. Also flew the BAe3201 and EMB145 but FOs weren't typed back then.

I suspect they are looking specifically for CL65 and/or EMB170/190 type rated pilots, who no longer have a 1st class medical or are aged 65 or older. Otherwise, they would prefer you to be a line pilot. The Mesa SIM instructors I have met that teach our pilots are either former line pilots (lost a medical) or Flight Safety instructors who already hold the type rating they are teaching. Up until last fall, there were line qualified pilots (with a medical) that taught in the SIM.

tm602
02-10-2018, 09:24 PM
That's too bad. I was a CRJ200 FTD (Level 5/6) instructor in the past....did about 1500 in it. I'm more of an instructor at heart (I like watching "the light go on" with people in training, etc) and would be a good guy to have around. Ah well, their loss. Thanks for the info.

calmwinds
02-11-2018, 03:58 AM
That's too bad. I was a CRJ200 FTD (Level 5/6) instructor in the past....did about 1500 in it. I'm more of an instructor at heart (I like watching "the light go on" with people in training, etc) and would be a good guy to have around. Ah well, their loss. Thanks for the info.

Have you thought about flying the line and transferring back into the training department at a regional? Many regionals are chomping at the bit for an instructor, but want a “line qualified” pilot to teach. SkyWest does this all the time and the SIM guys there make a mint. Mesa used to use “line qualified” pilots exclusively.

journey2
02-11-2018, 03:05 PM
Well, I applied a week ago and haven't heard a cricket so it must not be that bad. I have a lot of instructing experience and also 121 line experience.

There is definitely a need for more instructors, both sim and ground. Try emailing one of the contacts listed on the Mesa website, maybe you will get a faster response.

No Land 3
02-12-2018, 01:24 AM
Show up to a Mesa open house, and hire an Eastern Euro model that pretends to be your gf, JO will love you. (Not a call girl, just a good actor)

tm602
02-12-2018, 11:37 AM
Show up to a Mesa open house, and hire an Eastern Euro model that pretends to be your gf, JO will love you. (Not a call girl, just a good actor)

Would a Backpage escort fool him?

DonConsult67
02-14-2018, 02:57 AM
On the Ejet side, I have heard relief is coming. Flight Safety instructors are reportedly being used. Additional SIM time is being acquired. The most recent Ejet pilots are getting through to IOE in about 5 months from date of hire.

Thank you for the update, however the Flight Safety training footprint is about 24 days total with breaks. Tack in 3 days for orientation and drug test and personnel plus 10 days for Indoc plus a week off, and you're still not at 5 months. Something doesn't add up. With United needing more and more lift when do they pull the plug on Mesa's Ejets?

Our former student also reported yesterday a Mesa corporate email announcing the retirement of the Exec VP of Recruiting and Training and the employment of a consultant and adviser for the training department. And the rumor mill indicates the Director of Training also "retired". Related to the backlog?

Or are the rats jumping off the Titanic?

calmwinds
02-14-2018, 03:12 AM
Thank you for the update, however the Flight Safety training footprint is about 24 days total with breaks. Tack in 3 days for orientation and drug test and personnel plus 10 days for Indoc plus a week off, and you're still not at 5 months. Something doesn't add up. With United needing more and more lift when do they pull the plug on Mesa's Ejets?

Our former student also reported yesterday a Mesa corporate email announcing the retirement of the Exec VP of Recruiting and Training and the employment of a consultant and adviser for the training department. And the rumor mill indicates the Director of Training also "retired". Related to the backlog?

Or are the rats jumping off the Titanic?


Well, Mesa is flying the Ejets within the margins of the contract. I would guess United won’t do that until we are not flying the 59 Ejets we have within the margins of the contract. Plus, Mesa owns 18 of the Ejets.

The problem is there is not enough SIM time available at Flight Safety. We had to start using a second SIM in Dallas (not at Flight Safety) for training.

What Flight Safety are you teaching at? Do you have extra time available that Mesa can send new hires there? How often does Flight Safety starts classes? If Flight Safety can customize its classes for Mesa 121 requirements, teach Systems, checkride prep SIMs, the checkride and LOFT in 24 days someplace, I am certain Mesa management wants to know.

NovemberBravo
02-14-2018, 08:03 AM
The small backlog on the CRJ is directly related to management Flight safety offered Mesa hrs on the new phx Sim before anyone and they initially passed.

flyguy727
02-14-2018, 09:22 AM
Worth it? I have @7000TT, 650 TPIC, prior 121 (currently at a frac) with GV and smaller type ratings (5 of them). 3000 as instructor airplane and about 1500 as instructor in a CRJ200 FTD as well as GS instructor in same.
I'm more of an instructor at heart, but line flying is what pays the bills. This opening pays "up to" (I always am suspicious of that term) a rate that I can live on, but Mesa has a reputation as we all know and I'm looking for current Mesa people to chime in. PM me if you want or put it out here.
Thanks

Mesa needs instructors, with your experience, I think it will be a plus. I would give it a try, if you don't like it, you can simply just move on.

tm602
02-14-2018, 02:53 PM
Mesa needs instructors, with your experience, I think it will be a plus. I would give it a try, if you don't like it, you can simply just move on.

They have to call me first, sent the app 2 weeks ago, crickets. SKW seemingly has a better deal, so I'm looking into that. Whatever happens will happen.

calmwinds
02-14-2018, 06:50 PM
They have to call me first, sent the app 2 weeks ago, crickets. SKW seemingly has a better deal, so I'm looking into that. Whatever happens will happen.

Let me know how SKW goes. They also advertise trained by “line qualified pilots”..... Generally, they are also looking for pilots that have the type ratings already and already know the SKW flows and procedures.

tm602
02-15-2018, 07:48 AM
That's the same I've heard.

Sniper66
02-18-2018, 11:45 PM
Is there a problem on the CRJ side? It isn’t evident from posts here. And, your paper tiger training doesn’t match what we received.

On the Ejet side, I have heard relief is coming. Flight Safety instructors are reportedly being used. Additional SIM time is being acquired. The most recent Ejet pilots are getting through to IOE in about 5 months from date of hire. Based on what I hear, I expect this to shorten by summer.

Mesa won’t implode. Someone will buy Mesa before it implodes. This is a prime market for a regional right now, majors are flush with cash.







United will just get their planes back on their next contract,
United mainline pilots will fly 175s and 190s 195s as a combined new fleet on their certificate

Watch it happening by 2019 when your 5 year wet lease is coming to the end on the first 175s United bought for you to fly


Be aware and try to move on to the next level by networking hard

calmwinds
02-19-2018, 02:36 AM
United will just get their planes back on their next contract,
United mainline pilots will fly 175s and 190s 195s as a combined new fleet on their certificate

Watch it happening by 2019 when your 5 year wet lease is coming to the end on the first 175s United bought for you to fly


Be aware and try to move on to the next level by networking hard

So, what is United going to do with all the regionals who have bought 175’s to fly under the UAX brand since you are in the “know”? Is United going to allow some UAX 175’s and some United 175’s in the Union contract, or a transition period? That doesn’t sound likely knowing guys in the United union. This seems to have also huge repercussions for Republic and SkyWest as well. Did you post this on their threads?

Sniper66
02-19-2018, 03:07 PM
So, what is United going to do with all the regionals who have bought 175’s to fly under the UAX brand since you are in the “know”? Is United going to allow some UAX 175’s and some United 175’s in the Union contract, or a transition period? That doesn’t sound likely knowing guys in the United union. This seems to have also huge repercussions for Republic and SkyWest as well. Did you post this on their threads?





United bought with their cash only the Mesa 175s ( other than the 18)
The other regionals bought their own

253 70/76 seaters is the max which is reached
No scope relief coming so it’s simple
Get all of YOUR aircraft in house and mix them with new 100 seaters they are about to order. ALPA UAL MEC goal for the next contract....

125 aircraft 88/100seat capacity flown by United seniority pilots FACT . Jet for Jobs TellAndy no dues H is dead

calmwinds
02-19-2018, 07:04 PM
United bought with their cash only the Mesa 175s ( other than the 18)
The other regionals bought their own

253 70/76 seaters is the max which is reached
No scope relief coming so it’s simple
Get all of YOUR aircraft in house and mix them with new 100 seaters they are about to order. ALPA UAL MEC goal for the next contract....

125 aircraft 88/100seat capacity flown by United seniority pilots FACT . Jet for Jobs TellAndy no dues H is dead

You know people here at Mesa ACTUALLY have close connections to the ALPA UAL MEC. The last time you posted here you said United owned all our Ejets.....

fupm9
02-20-2018, 05:25 AM
United bought with their cash only the Mesa 175s ( other than the 18)
The other regionals bought their own

253 70/76 seaters is the max which is reached
No scope relief coming so it’s simple
Get all of YOUR aircraft in house and mix them with new 100 seaters they are about to order. ALPA UAL MEC goal for the next contract....

125 aircraft 88/100seat capacity flown by United seniority pilots FACT . Jet for Jobs TellAndy no dues H is dead

So say one stuck it out for 2-3 years longer at Mesa. A positive outcome might be favorable treatment by United, or we all get kicked to the curb?

calmwinds
02-20-2018, 06:29 AM
So say one stuck it out for 2-3 years longer at Mesa. A positive outcome might be favorable treatment by United, or we all get kicked to the curb?

Of course, all Mesa Ejet pilots will get hired by United if this happens. Lol.

This industry is too unpredictable to forecast 2 to 3 years out. One accident puts a regional is out of business. And, who would have predicted that Spirit would have the TA they have even 6 months ago?

My buddy who is at United says this isn’t going to happen without all Ejet flying coming back into the UAL banner over some transition period. That means Republic and SkyWest are sucking wind too if this happens. I don’t see it happening.

Whenever, unions and management try to do stuff like this, it usually works with the same effectiveness as the US Congress.

Sniper66
02-23-2018, 09:21 PM
You know people here at Mesa ACTUALLY have close connections to the ALPA UAL MEC. The last time you posted here you said United owned all our Ejets.....




Really..
They have big connections, just like they have at Delta MEC?
I do have connections at UAL MEC as well. Very good connections I may add

Wake up and start networking brother and keep going to job fairs


BTW All but 18 you are correct

calmwinds
02-24-2018, 05:38 AM
Really..
They have big connections, just like they have at Delta MEC?
I do have connections at UAL MEC as well. Very good connections I may add

Wake up and start networking brother and keep going to job fairs


BTW All but 18 you are correct

Since you have excellent UAL MEC connections, then you know United management is trying to expand the seat capacity of a regional jet to 100 and send more flying out of house. That is at odds with your statement that Mesa Ejet flying is coming in house to United.