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CooperJ
02-06-2018, 11:14 AM
I am a retiring USAF guy moving to Denver in June. Got hired by Skywest last month...I chose the E175 based on the training there in Denver, so I would not be gone again right off the bat after moving. I was told that I could hold DEN within 3-5 months, but I have read some threads that may indicate otherwise. I know that ORD is jr on the E175...I have also read that new hires are not getting a lot of hours. Two goals...fly and limit commute. I understand that it's impossible to optimize both of those, but looking for a sound compromise. So, have I made the right decision on the E175, or would I be better off on the CRJ? How many hours could I anticipate on the E175 as a new guy for the first 3-4 months? I plan to live in Monument CO, so I am closer to COS, which would be the CRJ...but I have heard COS is more sr for CRJ FOs than on the E175/DEN, and would take up to 6 months to hold.

Any new E175 FOs out there that can give me the latest on hours? Is a goal of getting 150 within 3-4 months realistic?

Thanks!


hawk21
02-06-2018, 11:29 AM
My recommendation would be to bid BOI and avoid the DEN-ORD commute. DEN-BOI would be on company metal. It's a maintenance base though so you would be doing a lot of day before/ day after commutes if you are a line holder.

3-5 months sounds about right for DEN 175 based off what I see on the seniority list.

CooperJ
02-06-2018, 11:32 AM
Good info...thanks!


Flymeaway
02-06-2018, 12:50 PM
Most junior ERJ DEN is an August hire. Most junior CRJ DEN is a September hire. Most junior CRJ COS is an October hire. It's February, so you're likely to get COS right as you finish up IOE. The others would be a month or two of commuting to reserve.

Generally, if you're on reserve on the CRJ, you'll probably fly quite a bit, especially if you put yourself on call first. On the ERJ, not so much.

Another consideration if you plan to live in Monument...the drive to COS is a whole lot easier than the drive to DEN. Plus, the DEN employee parking lot is a solid 30 minutes from the time you park to the time you are through KCM. It's a LONG shuttle ride. Then another 15 minutes to take the train and walk all the way down the B concourse to get to the ghetto gates we use. When you pull in to COS, you're 5 minutes from the gate. I live 10 minutes south of Monument, and when I was on reserve in DEN, I had to be constantly ready to leave the house in 5 minutes and had to hope there were no accidents/unusual traffic.

With the CRJ you'd have to go to SLC for at least a month though. They do have CRJ sims in DEN, but most folks end up having to do sims in SLC. On the flip side of that, in SLC you wouldn't have the family responsibilities getting in the way of your training. I'm no dummy...I did very well in college and Navy flight training, but I'm really glad that I could just drive 10 minutes to a hotel to start my homework every night. I think if I'd had an hour+ commute each way, plus the distractions of the house, I'd have been in real trouble. The training wasn't hard, but it was VERY time consuming. They did restructure the training in the last few months though, so it may be quite different now.

Honestly, if your goals are truly to fly and limit commute, I think your best bet is CRJ COS by far. A month in SLC where SKW is paying for your hotel and you can devote 100% of your focus on training is MUCH better than a month commuting to reserve in ORD, when the lodging is on you, and they won't be flying you much.

CooperJ
02-06-2018, 01:19 PM
Solid gouge...you the man. Thanks!

tunes
02-08-2018, 04:29 AM
Most junior ERJ DEN is an August hire. Most junior CRJ DEN is a September hire. Most junior CRJ COS is an October hire. It's February, so you're likely to get COS right as you finish up IOE. The others would be a month or two of commuting to reserve.

Generally, if you're on reserve on the CRJ, you'll probably fly quite a bit, especially if you put yourself on call first. On the ERJ, not so much.

Another consideration if you plan to live in Monument...the drive to COS is a whole lot easier than the drive to DEN. Plus, the DEN employee parking lot is a solid 30 minutes from the time you park to the time you are through KCM. It's a LONG shuttle ride. Then another 15 minutes to take the train and walk all the way down the B concourse to get to the ghetto gates we use. When you pull in to COS, you're 5 minutes from the gate. I live 10 minutes south of Monument, and when I was on reserve in DEN, I had to be constantly ready to leave the house in 5 minutes and had to hope there were no accidents/unusual traffic.

With the CRJ you'd have to go to SLC for at least a month though. They do have CRJ sims in DEN, but most folks end up having to do sims in SLC. On the flip side of that, in SLC you wouldn't have the family responsibilities getting in the way of your training. I'm no dummy...I did very well in college and Navy flight training, but I'm really glad that I could just drive 10 minutes to a hotel to start my homework every night. I think if I'd had an hour+ commute each way, plus the distractions of the house, I'd have been in real trouble. The training wasn't hard, but it was VERY time consuming. They did restructure the training in the last few months though, so it may be quite different now.

Honestly, if your goals are truly to fly and limit commute, I think your best bet is CRJ COS by far. A month in SLC where SKW is paying for your hotel and you can devote 100% of your focus on training is MUCH better than a month commuting to reserve in ORD, when the lodging is on you, and they won't be flying you much.

meh, COS is 35-45 min, DEN is 60-70. I'm a commuter living in monument so 99% of the time I go out of DEN. As for the shuttle are you talking the airside one? The landside one runs every 5-10 min. From my house in monument to KCM parking landside is usually 1:20. For the OP, i'd go to whichever of the two you are more senior in and like the trips better. the difference in drive is negligible.

COKS
02-09-2018, 07:09 AM
A few months out from applying at SKW myself and looking at a DEN base, is DEN pretty split on CRJ/ERJ flying? Or would I be a fool to choose one if I want DEN? Trying to figure all this stuff out

Flymeaway
02-09-2018, 06:38 PM
You could go either way in DEN. ERJ is slightly more senior in DEN, but then itís more senior in general. Youíll fly more in the CRJ, and have more opportunity for time off in the ERJ.

threeighteen
02-13-2018, 09:44 PM
CRJ will give you more flying and better schedule control.

Another bonus of CRJ is the ability to bid for COS as well, so better chances of getting back to the front range area quicker.

You won't fly much on the E175 in ORD, and even possibly even less if you make it back to Denver.

CooperJ
02-14-2018, 07:45 AM
Copy and thanks....leaning towards the CRJ.

Blackwing
02-14-2018, 10:07 PM
Why are you going to a regional? Are you just coming to get current then head to mainline?

Out West
02-15-2018, 06:36 AM
Canít answer for him on currency, but I can answer for another retiring mil guy.

Iím current and qualified and on terminal leave for my retirement. I have no unfavorable info other than low total time (ATP in hand,) no failures, etc.

No calls. The advice given to me was go to a regional and get 121 time, so, Iím going to a regional. Just the way it is.

I have an interview next month with SKW, probably with PSA once I complete my app, and still keeping everything updated. Yes, I would prefer to go straight to a legacy or FedEx, but they arenít calling. So some of us are just doing what we have to do.

No offense taken nor intended, but the seemingly widespread notion that a mil pilot just need apply to one of ďthe bigsĒ is absolutely false. Some have - but so have some other OTS hires. Iíll be happy to be learning the 121 world and maybe even be able to make a better decision of which major to go to should I ever be in the spot to choose.

Cheers.

CooperJ
02-15-2018, 10:37 AM
haven't flown in a few years...won't apply to the majors until I am current with sufficient 121 time.

tunes
02-19-2018, 09:17 AM
haven't flown in a few years...won't apply to the majors until I am current with sufficient 121 time.



That's a mistake. Your app should already be in.


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CooperJ
02-20-2018, 09:28 AM
I have heard both sides...so it would be interesting to hear what the folks here have to say about it. But a little more info: I also don't have an ATP...so that was another plus of going to regionals. Without the ATP, I don't meet the min major qualifications...so my plan was to wait until the beginning of regional training, ATP complete, then apply.

Cazadores
02-20-2018, 10:38 AM
I agree with taking a regional spot to get the ball rolling, but disagree on waiting to apply. The faster you get it in to your career airline of choice, the earlier you can start updating it, the earlier they get a shot at looking at you, and in no way can it hurt you. Good rumint indicates the earlier you submit and more often you update may even help get you noticed.

Just apply. Can't hurt.


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CooperJ
02-20-2018, 11:24 AM
Copy...appreciate the advice!

Adeso
02-28-2018, 06:04 AM
Apps in to at least your target airline, several of them like to see you apply then keep updating monthly with hours. Shows you really want to go work for them. And get your apps reviewed professionally

Out West
02-28-2018, 07:14 AM
Apps in to at least your target airline, several of them like to see you apply then keep updating monthly with hours. Shows you really want to go work for them. And get your apps reviewed professionally

Canít recommend the last part enough (not that I disagree with the first part, either.)

I had security clearance paperwork that basically mimics the app so it was easy to transcribe; got what I thought was a good cross section of advice/opinions on the app from folks trying to get hired as well as recent hires; even had 4 different friends look over the app and give me the ďcheck this, look at that, but overall really good!Ē

Then I paid for a pro review and needed two booking sessions to go over all of the changes. It was a mess, but only down in the details.

This is, in my opinion, a case of get what you pay for.

CooperJ
02-28-2018, 01:53 PM
Copy that...appreciate it. I went in to the SWA and FedEx application sites recently (pilotcredentials.com), but because it I don't yet have my ATP, it appeared that I would be unable to "submit" based on not meeting the basic requirements. Assuming that may be true with others?

DelTacoBowl
03-01-2018, 08:24 AM
Same boat, put your apps in ASAP. The amount of time they are in the system matters. Especially airlines with application windows. They want to see you have applied in the last X number of windows. It took me exactly one year to the day at a regional before I got hired at a legacy. It just takes time. last fall, I happen to run into a chief pilot in the airport that I had flown with in my previous mil life. First question he asked "have you applied?" Then he went up to his office, pulled my app, and put me on the list to get an interview. Now I'm just burning time at OO waiting on a training date enjoying the 175. Use whatever regional for their training to get a 121 training event under your belt and a few line hours. Helps a lot in your interview to tell them you are military trained with part 121 time. Checks two boxes.

Canít answer for him on currency, but I can answer for another retiring mil guy.

Iím current and qualified and on terminal leave for my retirement. I have no unfavorable info other than low total time (ATP in hand,) no failures, etc.

No calls. The advice given to me was go to a regional and get 121 time, so, Iím going to a regional. Just the way it is.

I have an interview next month with SKW, probably with PSA once I complete my app, and still keeping everything updated. Yes, I would prefer to go straight to a legacy or FedEx, but they arenít calling. So some of us are just doing what we have to do.

No offense taken nor intended, but the seemingly widespread notion that a mil pilot just need apply to one of ďthe bigsĒ is absolutely false. Some have - but so have some other OTS hires. Iíll be happy to be learning the 121 world and maybe even be able to make a better decision of which major to go to should I ever be in the spot to choose.

Cheers.