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Triple5
02-15-2018, 04:41 PM
Hello all,

I have been lurking the forums for months now and have a pretty good understanding about all three airlines. With four months to go until ATP mins I was hoping to get some input as to who you think will be the best fit for me.

Currently, I live in Maryland roughly an hour and some change from DCA which has sparked initial interest in Republic. Like many of you I would like to move on quickly. Delta in the long term goal. Personally my preferences are as follows (from most to least important):

Career advancement -> Quality of life -> Work rules / pay -> Equipment

To my understanding these are the pros and cons of each airline as they pertain to me (please correct me for any errors and feel free to add):

PSA:
Pros - Living in base, SAP is a huge plus, pay seems to be above industry average, flight benefits with American, flow (not depending on it just nice to have in the back pocket)
Cons - Reserve from what I read isn't the best, SAP may be leaving in the near future for PBS which is a big drawback, classes are full reducing the chance of seeing pay rates similar to 9E in the future

Endeavor:
Pros - Industry leading pay, great contract, commuter clause, flight benefits with Delta, quick upgrade time, DGI program, perhaps a better route to Delta???
Cons - Living out of base is the big one here, classes are real backed up, reserve time likely increasing

Republic:
Pros - Live in base, 2nd highest pay in the industry with good work rules, flight benefits on all three, E175 is nice
Cons - Slow progression in terms of upgrade times, low priority with flight benefits

Overall, if you guys were in my position which route would you take? Its been a stalemate for awhile now and could use a bit of input. Thanks for your time!

Side question: Is there any attrition data that shows where pilots are leaving too? Curious to see where everybody is heading


Newstick189
02-15-2018, 04:49 PM
Hello all,

I have been lurking the forums for months now and have a pretty good understanding about all three airlines. With four months to go until ATP mins I was hoping to get some input as to who you think will be the best fit for me.

Currently, I live in Maryland roughly an hour and some change from DCA which has sparked initial interest in Republic. Like many of you I would like to move on quickly. Delta in the long term goal. Personally my preferences are as follows (from most to least important):

Career advancement -> Quality of life -> Work rules / pay -> Equipment

To my understanding these are the pros and cons of each airline as they pertain to me (please correct me for any errors and feel free to add):

PSA:
Pros - Living in base, SAP is a huge plus, pay seems to be above industry average, flight benefits with American, flow (not depending on it just nice to have in the back pocket)
Cons - Reserve from what I read isn't the best, SAP may be leaving in the near future for PBS which is a big drawback, classes are full reducing the chance of seeing pay rates similar to 9E in the future

Endeavor:
Pros - Industry leading pay, great contract, commuter clause, flight benefits with Delta, quick upgrade time, DGI program, perhaps a better route to Delta???
Cons - Living out of base is the big one here, classes are real backed up, reserve time likely increasing

Republic:
Pros - Live in base, 2nd highest pay in the industry with good work rules, flight benefits on all three, E175 is nice
Cons - Slow progression in terms of upgrade times, low priority with flight benefits

Overall, if you guys were in my position which route would you take? Its been a stalemate for awhile now and could use a bit of input. Thanks for your time!

Side question: Is there any attrition data that shows where pilots are leaving too? Curious to see where everybody is heading

Out of the three I would pick Endeavor first then PSA second. Of the three, Republic probably has the best QOL. However, that being said, if career advancement is your goal I would consider Piedmont. They have a quick upgrade time and a quick flow with opportunities or growth in other areas such as training captain, etc. The pay is on par with ENY and PSA. PHL is not that far of a drive from Maryland depending on where you live. PDT has minimal/zero reserve.

I picked PDT because the career advancement opportunities were best first and foremost. The flow is nice, and being under the wing for American is also a plus.

Bonanzer
02-16-2018, 07:40 AM
Upgrade and pay I would say Endeavor. The guaranteed Delta interview is nice. Overall good work rules.

Good mix of qol/pay/contract for Republic.

Flow is nice to have in your back pocket with PSA even if it is 10 years. Good fo pay with the bonus. My senior CA buddies say the trips are garbage.

All three are good choices. Go to the interviews, talk to the pilots, and make the best choice for you.


Mustang62
02-16-2018, 08:39 PM
How long does it take to get an interview at each of these 3? And if you are extended an offer, how long afterwards do you start class?

TangoIndiaMike1
02-16-2018, 10:24 PM
Hello all,



I have been lurking the forums for months now and have a pretty good understanding about all three airlines. With four months to go until ATP mins I was hoping to get some input as to who you think will be the best fit for me.



Currently, I live in Maryland roughly an hour and some change from DCA which has sparked initial interest in Republic. Like many of you I would like to move on quickly. Delta in the long term goal. Personally my preferences are as follows (from most to least important):



Career advancement-> Quality of life -> Work rules / pay -> Equipment



To my understanding these are the pros and cons of each airline as they pertain to me (please correct me for any errors and feel free to add):



PSA:

Pros - Living in base, SAP is a huge plus, pay seems to be above industry average, flight benefits with American, flow (not depending on it just nice to have in the back pocket)

Cons - Reserve from what I read isn't the best, SAP may be leaving in the near future for PBS which is a big drawback, classes are full reducing the chance of seeing pay rates similar to 9E in the future



Endeavor:

Pros - Industry leading pay, great contract, commuter clause, flight benefits with Delta, quick upgrade time, DGI program, perhaps a better route to Delta???

Cons - Living out of base is the big one here, classes are real backed up, reserve time likely increasing



Republic:

Pros - Live in base, 2nd highest pay in the industry with good work rules, flight benefits on all three, E175 is nice

Cons - Slow progression in terms of upgrade times, low priority with flight benefits



Overall, if you guys were in my position which route would you take? Its been a stalemate for awhile now and could use a bit of input. Thanks for your time!



Side question: Is there any attrition data that shows where pilots are leaving too? Curious to see where everybody is heading



Republic has SAP and PBS.

if you donít make your United Flight you use your benefits to go over to Delta or American. while everyone lists for the jumpseat only or just waits for the next united. You can also see the standbys and seat available minus United which everyone can see in their app. On United Republic is equal with delta and American guys and gals for a seat. Everyone has priority on their own metal. We donít have a flow. I was a July hire and I should have a line next bid period at DCA.

Interview will all three and see how you like them.

Psa you will will upgrade when you hit 1000 hours. I wonít get any PIC for 2 years at Republic.

Southwest has a BWI base and is right up the road. Look at their 10 year captain pay. Itís not $300 per hour but i would be set for life at that. Some people are stingy and will only go to the major 3 but every Southwest person I have talked to seems happy. I donít know what ď Career advancementĒ actually means to you. Delta go with Endeavor, American go with PSA or any wholly own, United prob can go with commut Air.

I think quality of life is work rules.

surfpilot1414
02-17-2018, 12:43 AM
Republic has SAP and PBS.

Republic has SAP??

Migz74
02-17-2018, 11:15 AM
Iím considering interviewing for Republic. Thereís plenty to like about this airline, however the long upgrade times are worrisome. Iíve heard that itís coming down drastically but Iím also susceptible to wishful thinking
(Iím a pilot after all).

Any clarification would be appreciated!

knewyork
02-17-2018, 12:11 PM
Iím considering interviewing for Republic. Thereís plenty to like about this airline, however the long upgrade times are worrisome. Iíve heard that itís coming down drastically but Iím also susceptible to wishful thinking
(Iím a pilot after all).

Any clarification would be appreciated!

It was so high because there was no attrition and no growth. In fact during the last 3 years weíve lost a significant amount of planes (145s, Qs, etc). Now itís pilots weíre losing and FOs find themselves moving up 15-40 seniority numbers a month. Iíve been here two years and Iíve see that sort of movement the whole time.

If we do get those airplanes that were hinted at in a recent company letter, that will help lower it as well. The plan is to grow over the next few years. Obviously more planes equals more captain vacancies.

As it stands today, Iím on pace for upgrade at around 2 and 3/4 years. Will it be quicker? Iíll let you know.

Be careful chasing an upgrade. My friend tried it at commutair and it didnít work.

magnus0322
03-04-2018, 12:03 PM
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knewyork
03-04-2018, 12:52 PM
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I have a hard time believing this.

Flightcap
03-05-2018, 04:55 AM
Republic is not an airline that will advance your career as quickly as humanly possible. At least at this time there are other carriers with faster upgrade times and (for what it's worth) flow. QOL/contract/pay is where Republic has the edge. If you want to move on as fast as you can, consider an airline that is likely to continue offering faster upgrades into the future. Just be aware that upgrade times can change quickly and today's rock star company may be tomorrow's dumpster fire. It's always good to include some "where would I want to be stuck for ten years" thoughts in your decision making.

KCaviator
03-05-2018, 06:29 AM
Republic is not an airline that will advance your career as quickly as humanly possible. At least at this time there are other carriers with faster upgrade times and (for what it's worth) flow. QOL/contract/pay is where Republic has the edge. If you want to move on as fast as you can, consider an airline that is likely to continue offering faster upgrades into the future. Just be aware that upgrade times can change quickly and today's rock star company may be tomorrow's dumpster fire. It's always good to include some "where would I want to be stuck for ten years" thoughts in your decision making.

And if I were to be stuck somewhere, itíd definitely be where the QOL/contract/pay is.

Flightcap
03-05-2018, 06:56 AM
And if I were to be stuck somewhere, itíd definitely be where the QOL/contract/pay is.

That's what would be my decision also. Some guys would rather take the risk and advance their career at all costs. Different strokes for different folks.