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Iceman310
02-21-2018, 12:21 PM
Boeing displaces Airbus at Hawaiian, wins 787-9 deal; airline cancels A330-800 order

Leeham Co.: Boeing has displaced Airbus at Hawaiian Airlines, winning an order for 787-9s. Hawaiian canceled an order for six A330-800s, the only order on the books for this sub-type.

An announcement could come as early as this week.

https://leehamnews.com/2018/02/20/boeing-displaces-airbus-hawaiian-wins-787-9-deal-airline-cancels-a330-800-order/


Bwipilot
02-22-2018, 02:46 PM
Sweet. Would love to get a ride on one.

ridinhigh
03-06-2018, 07:12 PM
10 firm with 10 options.


Tpinks
03-06-2018, 08:54 PM
10 firm with 10 options.

It will become one of the best looking 787's out there. Next to Etihad and Thai for me.

Congrats!

Poopchute701
03-07-2018, 08:18 AM
It's all part of the plan to attract enough new hires in the future with shiny jet syndrome, while still paying $36/hr.

Iceman310
03-07-2018, 11:09 AM
Hawaiian has officially announced that they will be adding the Boeing 787-9, powered by fuel-efficient GEnx engines, to their fleet. The first Dreamliner is expected to arrive in early 2021. They have placed a firm order for 10 787-9 aircraft, with purchase rights for an additional 10 planes.

This ends a competitive process between two great aircraft types: the Airbus 330-900 and the Boeing 787-9. Looking at aircraft capability, passenger experience, fleet complexity and total lifetime cost of ownership. The Dreamliner came out on top.

This aircraft will combine superior guest comfort with fantastic operational performance. It will allow Hawaiian to continue modernizing their fleet into the next decade and expand within current their route network with new destinations in the Asia/Pacific region and possibly Europe.

atpcliff
03-08-2018, 06:41 AM
Good news!
I recently flew on a Hawaiian A330 in coach. It was awful. Worst widebody experience I ever had. I have flown once on a 787, LOT, in Biz class. The jet was very nice. The cockpit crew gave me about a 45" intro. It looks WAY better than any other Boeing product up front..computers, screens, interface, etc.

worstpilotever
03-08-2018, 04:33 PM
Cliffy, you are aware of course that the airline gets to choose the interior right? And are seriously comparing domestic coach to international business class in order to form your opinion as to how nice the aircraft is?

atpcliff
03-08-2018, 09:45 PM
Since my Hawaiian A330 economy seat was the worst I have had on a widebody, I am assuming that Hawaiian 787 coach will be better... nowhere to go but up.
I have been on other carrier's biz class on a A330s, and they were not as good as the 787. I think the 787, overall is A LOT better than the A330.

I think the 787 will help Hawaiian a lot. Also, I'm sure that the pilots will like flying the 787 a lot better than flying the A330.

worstpilotever
03-09-2018, 11:45 AM
Why would you assume that? What makes you think HA would use different seats? What makes you think that pilots would like the 787 better than the 330? Will it pay more? Better schedules? Have you ever flown an airbus? Pretty comfortable plane and fun plane to fly.

ipdanno
03-11-2018, 05:57 PM
Will these be delivered in 2021 already painted Canyon Blue? :D

Makai
03-12-2018, 02:26 AM
Will these be delivered in 2021 already painted Canyon Blue? :D

If you can't get approved for ETOPS, just buy an airline that is! Haha

WHACKMASTER
03-12-2018, 06:36 AM
If you can't get approved for ETOPS, just buy an airline that is! Haha

They bought an airline that was successfully operating Class II WATRS nav then proceeded to f’*+€ that up to the point where SWA is now taking the long way to the Caribbean islands.

Never underestimate the power of stupid when it comes to SWA Flt Ops.

navigatro
03-12-2018, 07:05 AM
They bought an airline that was successfully operating Class II WATRS nav then proceeded to f’*+€ that up to the point where SWA is now taking the long way to the Caribbean islands.

Never underestimate the power of stupid when it comes to SWA Flt Ops.

Look at the bright side - the trips credit more.

WHACKMASTER
03-12-2018, 07:34 AM
Look at the bright side - the trips credit more.

Oh absolutely. I agree!

SonicFlyer
03-12-2018, 11:14 AM
What makes you think that pilots would like the 787 better than the 330? Easier to fly? Less complicated? The fact that it has a lower cabin altitude?

Vito
03-12-2018, 11:26 AM
" I like the Airbus better than the Boeing". Said no pilot ever!

kingairfun
03-12-2018, 11:55 AM
Easier to fly? Less complicated? The fact that it has a lower cabin altitude?

330 is the easiest plane ive ever flown

worstpilotever
03-12-2018, 07:05 PM
" I like the Airbus better than the Boeing". Said no pilot ever!

Have you flown an airbus?

AJ Crowley
03-12-2018, 07:07 PM
" I like the Airbus better than the Boeing". Said no pilot ever!

Except 90% of the pilots that have flown both.

Hawaiian 5O
03-13-2018, 09:18 AM
330 is the easiest plane ive ever flown

Yup. Exactly what one would expect from an aircraft designed for third world countries with inexperienced pilots. V1 cut? No problem, straighten it out and hit the "easy button". :o

With that said, I do like the 330. It's comfortable and a solid performer. I can only draw from my 767 experience, but I think I'll like the 787 better if it has good schedule opportunity. I still think Boeings are built better and are more intuitive. Just my two cents.

For guys that have never flown it, the 330 IS a great plane though. I have to admit that. I was surprised once I really got comfortable doing things the way of 'da bus.

WHACKMASTER
03-13-2018, 09:40 AM
So what’s the long-term plan there? Dual Airbus & Boeing widebody fleet?

Hawaiian 5O
03-14-2018, 08:49 AM
So what’s the long-term plan there? Dual Airbus & Boeing widebody fleet?

Well, considering we were buying buses while planning on flying the 717s until they timed out, I'd say that is a possibility.

Honestly though, I don't think anyone outside of the corporate HQ really know what they are thinking right now.

Like you guys, we'll know when we read about in the finance blogs or the newspaper.

rockhopper
03-14-2018, 11:57 PM
So what’s the long-term plan there? Dual Airbus & Boeing widebody fleet?

Playing the two manufacturers against each other isn't the worst idea. This announcement allows a lot of options in the playbook. However sacrificing economies of scale and common type savings have a cost

Glenntilton
03-15-2018, 01:36 AM
" I like the Airbus better than the Boeing". Said no pilot ever!

Flown Boeing and Airbus. I Like the Airbus better.

Sliceback
03-15-2018, 10:39 AM
" I like the Airbus better than the Boeing". Said no pilot ever!

Says the majority of pilots who’ve flown both the 737 and A320 family.

RemoveB4flght
03-18-2018, 03:24 AM
I flew the 330 for several years and have been on the 787 for nearly two years now.

From a cockpit perspective of course the new toys on the 787 are great. The digital FMS took some getting used to, and it seems they didn't forget to bring over the 777's torture device seat design. I found the 330 a bit more comfortable in the front seat from an ergonomics standpoint.

Performance wise the 330 wins. Yes it's not as fast, but the Rolls Royce -200 and -300's were never short on thrust, and single engine on a 787 is not in the same league. Despite the obvious aerodynamics, the 330 actually felt much 'slippier' (my opinion) when trying to bleed off energy.

Systems management and failures, the 787 has the upper hand. Straight forward checklists and procedures.

In summary, both are excellent aircraft. I'm not sure many other pilots have had the opportunity to fly both types in similar operation (med to long haul) but both remain among my favorite aircraft to operate.

jetliner1526
04-16-2018, 06:55 AM
if you can't get approved for etops, just buy an airline that is! Haha

***we have a winner***