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C340
03-01-2018, 03:54 PM
Hi,

Not sure if this is in the right place, so feel free to move this thread if its not appropriate. I am currently a CFI at a community college that is finalizing a development program contract with Horizon and I was curious what this program offers its participants. I can't seem to find any concrete information on what exactly I would get out of it, or what would be expected of me.

Thanks!


Griever
03-01-2018, 04:34 PM
Hi,

Not sure if this is in the right place, so feel free to move this thread if its not appropriate. I am currently a CFI at a community college that is finalizing a development program contract with Horizon and I was curious what this program offers its participants. I can't seem to find any concrete information on what exactly I would get out of it, or what would be expected of me.

Thanks!

Wait, so you're going to sign a contract but you're not sure what's in it for you?

Those details should be in the contract. Please tell me you haven't signed anything yet!

TyWebb
03-02-2018, 07:43 AM
Wait, so you're going to sign a contract but you're not sure what's in it for you?

Those details should be in the contract. Please tell me you haven't signed anything yet!

The school is finalizing the contract with Horizon to make a pipeline (at least what I got from reading the question). He is asking the question while he is entertaining the development program's benefits, requirements. Thus, the reason for the question.


SilentLurker
03-02-2018, 08:35 AM
Wait, so you're going to sign a contract but you're not sure what's in it for you?



Those details should be in the contract. Please tell me you haven't signed anything yet!



OP said nothing about a contract. OP did not say anything about being close to signing anything.

Seriously people, reading comprehension was not a tricky subject. There was no master plan or conspiracy behind his question. They were clear as day. I hope OP gets a good answer or someone points’em in the right direction.

OP, APC is a hilarious platform, some what of a negative satire at times. Take responses with a shot of bourbon and keep focused & flying safe and options open until you reach your goal.

Vanilla
03-02-2018, 11:16 AM
Hi,

Not sure if this is in the right place, so feel free to move this thread if its not appropriate. I am currently a CFI at a community college that is finalizing a development program contract with Horizon and I was curious what this program offers its participants. I can't seem to find any concrete information on what exactly I would get out of it, or what would be expected of me.

Thanks!

If your school is going to be part of the Pilot Pathways Program, then read this: https://horizonair-pilot.jobs/pilot-development-program/
Otherwise, you're better off getting the details about the specific contract with your community college. Contact recruiting at [email protected]

mightyflyer
03-04-2018, 11:16 AM
Any details from folks in the program?

TyWebb
03-04-2018, 01:38 PM
If your school is going to be part of the Pilot Pathways Program, then read this: https://horizonair-pilot.jobs/pilot-development-program/
Otherwise, you're better off getting the details about the specific contract with your community college. Contact recruiting at [email protected]

No offense, but the link was no help at all. As someone already mentioned, if your school is part of this program then you will probably have to inquire there. I've heard everything that it's a 10k bonus for going ahead and signing up to no it's not a bonus and actually taken out of future pay - essientially a loan. But I don't know who's right at the present. Another question I would want to know is would it keep you from collecting the 25K Q bonus or the 20k 175 bonus (assuming you had the experience already and just adding ratings - probably only relevant to MIL rotary guys transitioning over).

Fly406
03-10-2018, 04:24 PM
Hello! I am currently going through the pilot development program and am working on my ATPCTP as we speak, here was how it went for me.

Firstly, I would say from personal experience that the PDP (pilot development program) is a great tool and a great opportunity if you are looking to get a foot into QX with low time.

They came to the school I was working at about 5 months ago for the students and I signed up as well with ~900hrs. at the time. They came in and did an HR interview with all of us. The typical "Who are you?" , "Where did you come from?" , "Where do you want to be in..." type questions. They reviewed my resume and basically offered my a job on the spot. Now, normally there was a small technical interview as well. They send you an email with a few questions on it and you respond with video clips of you explaining the answer. I never did this as I was kind of lost in the crossfire of restaffing and understaffing of the program, but that is what they told me would happen.

The program gives you $7500 as a bonus (yes you have to sign something, I'll get into that later) to continue on getting your ratings and instruct at the school you are working with. You sound like you're in the same boat as me and that bonus will essentially just be money they give you sine you have your ratings already and no, it isn't taken from any future pay, they give it to you on the premise that you will work for them for 2 years.

The contract you receive basically states as such. "We are giving you money, and expect you to work for us for 2 years. If you stop working for us within those two years for any reason, we want that 7500 back." There is nothing on actual Horizon pay or the aircraft sign on. It is just for the PDP. And the contract itself is like 2 pages long, super easy to read, so after that I was able to sign it in confidence that they weren't screwing me.

After all they they keep tabs on you and your hours and when you are getting close they start to set up ATPCTP class dates, and QX ground school dates. My ATP date was 3/5/18 and my QX start is 3/19/18 so they get you in pretty quick (I am in the Q400, they say the E175 is a ways off for start dates so keep that in mind). The bonuses for the Q and E jet have been switched around a few times but here is what I am getting. I'm going into the Q with 0 exp: $15000 sign on bonus. 10k @ signing and the other 5k 18 months in. You only get that 25000 if you have over 500 hours I believe in the Q.

Since then they have sent me all my training docs and a conditional job offer saying I've got the job so long as I pass training (which I've heard is hard to fail...) and I am scooting along very nicely.

My experience with the program is that they are really trying hard to help me get through as best they can, and it was chaos at a point towards the beginning but now the staffing that they have is coming together and I haven't had a hiccup in months. They are all super helpful and usually answer any email or call I have within a day or two. Overall, I think its a great program and really streamlines the process.

C340
03-14-2018, 06:34 PM
Hello! I am currently going through the pilot development program and am working on my ATPCTP as we speak, here was how it went for me.

Firstly, I would say from personal experience that the PDP (pilot development program) is a great tool and a great opportunity if you are looking to get a foot into QX with low time.

They came to the school I was working at about 5 months ago for the students and I signed up as well with ~900hrs. at the time. They came in and did an HR interview with all of us. The typical "Who are you?" , "Where did you come from?" , "Where do you want to be in..." type questions. They reviewed my resume and basically offered my a job on the spot. Now, normally there was a small technical interview as well. They send you an email with a few questions on it and you respond with video clips of you explaining the answer. I never did this as I was kind of lost in the crossfire of restaffing and understaffing of the program, but that is what they told me would happen.

The program gives you $7500 as a bonus (yes you have to sign something, I'll get into that later) to continue on getting your ratings and instruct at the school you are working with. You sound like you're in the same boat as me and that bonus will essentially just be money they give you sine you have your ratings already and no, it isn't taken from any future pay, they give it to you on the premise that you will work for them for 2 years.

The contract you receive basically states as such. "We are giving you money, and expect you to work for us for 2 years. If you stop working for us within those two years for any reason, we want that 7500 back." There is nothing on actual Horizon pay or the aircraft sign on. It is just for the PDP. And the contract itself is like 2 pages long, super easy to read, so after that I was able to sign it in confidence that they weren't screwing me.

After all they they keep tabs on you and your hours and when you are getting close they start to set up ATPCTP class dates, and QX ground school dates. My ATP date was 3/5/18 and my QX start is 3/19/18 so they get you in pretty quick (I am in the Q400, they say the E175 is a ways off for start dates so keep that in mind). The bonuses for the Q and E jet have been switched around a few times but here is what I am getting. I'm going into the Q with 0 exp: $15000 sign on bonus. 10k @ signing and the other 5k 18 months in. You only get that 25000 if you have over 500 hours I believe in the Q.

Since then they have sent me all my training docs and a conditional job offer saying I've got the job so long as I pass training (which I've heard is hard to fail...) and I am scooting along very nicely.

My experience with the program is that they are really trying hard to help me get through as best they can, and it was chaos at a point towards the beginning but now the staffing that they have is coming together and I haven't had a hiccup in months. They are all super helpful and usually answer any email or call I have within a day or two. Overall, I think its a great program and really streamlines the process.

Thanks so much for the informational response. Its very helpful!

A couple questions:

1. When you were accepted into the PDP, did you start building seniority? I've heard of other programs that give you a number once you start so that even while you are instructing you are building seniority in the company. This would be the most attractive part about the program for me, which brings me to my next question...

2. Can you decline the money and thus avoid a 2-year work contract? Or can you only accept a small percentage of it? I don't really need the money and if I did, it would only be a portion of it for my CFII.

3. Did you get any traveling benefits on Horizon? I think I heard SkyWest offered some kind of travel benefit for their PDP guys.

Thanks!

word302
03-14-2018, 06:40 PM
Thanks so much for the informational response. Its very helpful!

A couple questions:

1. When you were accepted into the PDP, did you start building seniority? I've heard of other programs that give you a number once you start so that even while you are instructing you are building seniority in the company. This would be the most attractive part about the program for me, which brings me to my next question...

2. Can you decline the money and thus avoid a 2-year work contract? Or can you only accept a small percentage of it? I don't really need the money and if I did, it would only be a portion of it for my CFII.

3. Did you get any traveling benefits on Horizon? I think I heard SkyWest offered some kind of travel benefit for their PDP guys.

Thanks!

I think you would have a lot of animosity to deal with at any company if you were building seniority before actually being on property. I don't think anyone offers that, nor should they.

BigfatQ
03-14-2018, 06:46 PM
The money is prorated. So if you quit earlier just pay back the rest. Don't spend it all, see it as a free loan

snackysmores
03-14-2018, 06:48 PM
I think you would have a lot of animosity to deal with at any company if you were building seniority before actually being on property. I don't think anyone offers that, nor should they.

No one gets a seniority number until day 1 of indoc.

C340
03-18-2018, 09:41 PM
I think you would have a lot of animosity to deal with at any company if you were building seniority before actually being on property. I don't think anyone offers that, nor should they.

SkyWest: Pathway Program » SkyWest Airlines (http://skywest.com/skywest-airline-jobs/career-guides/flight-jobs/pathway-program/)

"Company seniority for benefits eligibility activates as soon as you’re a cadet."

I guess that is not quite the same as line seniority, but any idea what it would be good for?

word302
03-18-2018, 10:45 PM
SkyWest: Pathway Program » SkyWest Airlines (http://skywest.com/skywest-airline-jobs/career-guides/flight-jobs/pathway-program/)

"Company seniority for benefits eligibility activates as soon as you’re a cadet."

I guess that is not quite the same as line seniority, but any idea what it would be good for?

401k, performance and financial rewards, jumpseat/travel priority, and sick/vacation accrual. Pilot seniority starts day 1 of class.

word302
03-18-2018, 10:45 PM
No one gets a seniority number until day 1 of indoc.

Isn’t that what I was implying?

snackysmores
03-18-2018, 11:23 PM
Isn’t that what I was implying?

I must have been drinking and didn't see who posted, my mistake ;)