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luv2fly4u
03-05-2018, 10:36 AM
Does anyone know how the commute is from dallas to jfk/lga or bos? :confused:Thanks!


Rickce7
03-05-2018, 12:19 PM
DFW to either. . . .not great. . .actually poor. DAL to LGA. . .better but still tough depending on day of the week.

BeatNavy
03-05-2018, 12:23 PM
Does anyone know how the commute is from dallas to jfk/lga or bos? :confused:Thanks!

I heard LUV and AA are both hiring and have Dallas domiciles. :confused:


pilotpayne
03-05-2018, 12:41 PM
I heard LUV and AA are both hiring and have Dallas domiciles. :confused:

Exactly what this guy said.

skater3260
03-05-2018, 12:56 PM
During my ORD-LGA commute days I saw a Jetblue pilot that two-legged it through Chicago since DFW-NYC was not easy.

atrdriver
03-05-2018, 01:01 PM
Working here is painful enough. Why add to the suck with a miserable commute? I know of at least two Dallas commuters who have quit in recent months.

RiseGuy
03-05-2018, 03:57 PM
I can't speak for the NYC commute, but I commuted to BOS for 1.5 years. It was miserable in the winter because of snow storms and miserable in the summer because of high load factors.

You have many options and thankfully aren't fighting too many people to BOS...NYC: I've heard is a different issue because you're fighting junior folks from AA, DL, UA (and other JB people). BOS wasn't so bad because your options are AA, SWA, NK in the summer, and two VERY ill-timed and unreliable JetBlue flights, plus a myriad of two-legged options (my preferred was VX DAL to DCA then hop on jetBlue or AA to BOS as we all shared a concourse or any sort of SWA to BNA/DCA/BWI/MCI/STL are all options that will put you in the right direction).

It's definitely a hike...4.5-6hrs is typical; 13hours was my absolute worst. Just depends on what you're will to sacrifice for $54/hr your first year.

Feel free to PM me if you have any other questions.

Bozo the pilot
03-05-2018, 04:56 PM
Exactly what this guy said.

Exactly what these guys said. :D

Bestglide
03-05-2018, 05:28 PM
Iím an off line jumpseater trying to get on flt 392 tomorrow
There are 2 S5 listed how can I tell if they are jumpsesters listed as the flight is tight....thanks

BeatNavy
03-05-2018, 05:38 PM
Iím an off line jumpseater trying to get on flt 392 tomorrow
There are 2 S5 listed how can I tell if they are jumpsesters listed as the flight is tight....thanks

S5s are not pilots. S4W are JB pilots. S8W are offline pilots.

Bestglide
03-05-2018, 05:53 PM
S5s are not pilots. S4W are JB pilots. S8W are offline pilots.

Thanks for the quick response.

coopervane
03-05-2018, 07:27 PM
Exactly what these guys said. :D

What he said....

luv2fly4u
03-06-2018, 04:48 AM
Thanks for the insight. Wife and kids don't want to make the move. Trying to make everyone happy.

pilotpayne
03-06-2018, 05:21 AM
Thanks for the insight. Wife and kids don't want to make the move. Trying to make everyone happy.

Yeah man just know what you are getting yourself into. Itís tough on us since JetBlue has a slight tiny little canít even call it a footprint in TX. There are guys who commute from there but itís not as easy as from an east coast city. And until we fix reserve rules that will add a bunch more stress to it. But it can be done.

CaptCoolHand
03-06-2018, 09:26 AM
I got a buddy doing this now. 320 RSV. Averaging 6-8 days in his own bed due to the commute.

YMMV

Bilbo T Baggins
03-06-2018, 09:26 AM
I'd hold out for AA or SWA. This place isn't worth a brutal commute, esp with wife and kids.

queue
03-06-2018, 02:35 PM
I'd hold out for AA or SWA. This place isn't worth a brutal commute, esp with wife and kids.

And they don't help you out in any way. You still have to worry constantly about their "dependability policy" which protects you in no way, and can only hurt you. Even if you have two flights, per the policy, you can still get chief pilot attention by missing too many trips (out of position). What they wrote might as well not exist because it helps you in no way. Bottom line: if you commute, it won't be easy and the company won't do anything to help you. They will just crucify you.

pilotpayne
03-06-2018, 02:42 PM
And they don't help you out in any way. You still have to worry constantly about their "dependability policy" which protects you in no way, and can only hurt you. Even if you have two flights, per the policy, you can still get chief pilot attention by missing too many trips (out of position). What they wrote might as well not exist because it helps you in no way. Bottom line: if you commute, it won't be easy and the company won't do anything to help you. They will just crucify you.

Crucify is a bit dramatic.

I have missed a few commutes and one time missed a call from CS at the crash pad (phone died) never had an issue. I just follow the policy never even an email but ymmv

queue
03-06-2018, 02:59 PM
Crucify is a bit dramatic.

I have missed a few commutes and one time missed a call from CS at the crash pad (phone died) never had an issue. I just follow the policy never even an email but ymmv

Did you follow the ENTIRE policy?? Did you go talk to the chief pilot (per the FOM)? They will be glad to explain how it doesn't protect you in any way.

Practically speaking, they won't do anything to you if you don't have a lot of red on your schedule. However, if you screw anything up, all of a sudden the dependability policy is an instant shoe that will always fit. Anecdotal personal experiences are not legal stances. Pilots need to learn to react to what is written, not what is said. They will fire you, suspend you, or whatever based on what is written because they do everything using legal standards. It's that simple.

pilotpayne
03-06-2018, 03:57 PM
Did you follow the ENTIRE policy?? Did you go talk to the chief pilot (per the FOM)? They will be glad to explain how it doesn't protect you in any way.

Practically speaking, they won't do anything to you if you don't have a lot of red on your schedule. However, if you screw anything up, all of a sudden the dependability policy is an instant shoe that will always fit. Anecdotal personal experiences are not legal stances. Pilots need to learn to react to what is written, not what is said. They will fire you, suspend you, or whatever based on what is written because they do everything using legal standards. It's that simple.



Like I said I have missed a few commutes but always had a back up....ie responsible commuting but sometimes itís out of my control. I even had an un-contactable and I have never talked to a CP or even had an email from them.

As to anecdotal you seem to be the guy going off that as well as being just a tad dramatic.

CaptCoolHand
03-06-2018, 05:08 PM
Did you follow the ENTIRE policy?? Did you go talk to the chief pilot (per the FOM)? They will be glad to explain how it doesn't protect you in any way.

Practically speaking, they won't do anything to you if you don't have a lot of red on your schedule. However, if you screw anything up, all of a sudden the dependability policy is an instant shoe that will always fit. Anecdotal personal experiences are not legal stances. Pilots need to learn to react to what is written, not what is said. They will fire you, suspend you, or whatever based on what is written because they do everything using legal standards. It's that simple.

Having been here 10yrs and having just about every scheduling issue imaginable happen. Iím gonna day youíre wrong. I get it. I appreciate where youíre coming from. But thatís not how it works. Those that have been punished under the DP fully deserve what they get and probably more. Most of the time those abusing the DP are not hurting the company, theyíre Fíing over their fellow pilots.

queue
03-06-2018, 05:09 PM
Like I said I have missed a few commutes but always had a back up....ie responsible commuting but sometimes itís out of my control. I even had an un-contactable and I have never talked to a CP or even had an email from them.

As to anecdotal you seem to be the guy going off that as well as being just a tad dramatic.

You missed the core point, again.

"You had a backup". It doesn't matter. They don't care. You miss a trip, you miss a trip, they don't care why.

And yes, no one will come looking for you unless you are already on their radar. But, you are supposed to go contact the CP (read FOM or Bluebook).

You are picking and choosing. You are not reading the "policy". You are missing the point of what I said.

Again, all that matters is what is written, not your personal experiences.

queue
03-06-2018, 05:14 PM
Having been here 10yrs and having just about every scheduling issue imaginable happen. Iím gonna day youíre wrong. I get it. I appreciate where youíre coming from. But thatís not how it works. Those that have been punished under the DP fully deserve what they get and probably more. Most of the time those abusing the DP are not hurting the company, theyíre Fíing over their fellow pilots.

It doesn't matter that you've been here for 10 years. What matters is what is written and what is legally enforceable. You are making an argument of convenience for the company. However, those people who did get in trouble did so under the strict letter of the guidance.

I promise you that regardless of how long you've been at JB, if you become too expensive for them (e.g. you screw up), they'll throw every subjective rule at you to screw you. In what universe is a subjective criteria allowable from an employer? It doesn't matter if those people deserved it or not.

Doesn't it bother you that you are operating under a policy that has such a large latitude of interpretation?

queue
03-06-2018, 05:25 PM
Having been here 10yrs and having just about every scheduling issue imaginable happen. Iím gonna day youíre wrong. I get it. I appreciate where youíre coming from. But thatís not how it works. Those that have been punished under the DP fully deserve what they get and probably more. Most of the time those abusing the DP are not hurting the company, theyíre Fíing over their fellow pilots.

I also wanted to say...

Since you've been here for 10 yrs, isn't your relativistic mindset exactly at the core of the problem with the JB pilot group? They let anything go which is why JB screws them over all the time. Is the Blue Juice so deeply engrained in your psyche that you have become a company apologist even though you want a contract? You do see my point?

We all need to scrutinize EVERY single "will, shall, maybe, can", etc. The fact that you have come out in defense of the Dependability Policy points out how defeated and beaten down JB pilots really are. It's like it's in your blue blood to give them an inch so they take a mile.

Professionals wouldn't be tolerant to any degree of work rules like the "Dependability Policy", regardless of whatever utilitarian argument ( you) make for the company. I really think you need to step outside of everything you know and think deeply about how you personally have been complicit to the sad state JB is now. Multiply your mindset to several hundred pilots and we end up where we are now.... no contract, underpaid, overworked, abused. Please, give them a reason to respect us because so far what you said doesn't command respect as a professional.

http://pilot.demotivationalposters.net/image/demotivational-poster/1108/flying-flying-pilot-up-funny-demotivate-demotivational-posters-1313650375.jpg

pilotpayne
03-06-2018, 06:18 PM
You missed the core point, again.

"You had a backup". It doesn't matter. They don't care. You miss a trip, you miss a trip, they don't care why.

And yes, no one will come looking for you unless you are already on their radar. But, you are supposed to go contact the CP (read FOM or Bluebook).

You are picking and choosing. You are not reading the "policy". You are missing the point of what I said.

Again, all that matters is what is written, not your personal experiences.


1. You do work here right?
2. Maybe you should have been a lawyer.
3 I missed nothing.
You said you would be crucified. Now using that logic and your post I never contacted the CP only CS so I guess I totally broke the rules at least 3 times, now where is that cross?

pilotpayne
03-06-2018, 06:26 PM
I also wanted to say...

Since you've been here for 10 yrs, isn't your relativistic mindset exactly at the core of the problem with the JB pilot group? They let anything go which is why JB screws them over all the time. Is the Blue Juice so deeply engrained in your psyche that you have become a company apologist even though you want a contract? You do see my point?

We all need to scrutinize EVERY single "will, shall, maybe, can", etc. The fact that you have come out in defense of the Dependability Policy points out how defeated and beaten down JB pilots really are. It's like it's in your blue blood to give them an inch so they take a mile.

Professionals wouldn't be tolerant to any degree of work rules like the "Dependability Policy", regardless of whatever utilitarian argument ( you) make for the company. I really think you need to step outside of everything you know and think deeply about how you personally have been complicit to the sad state JB is now. Multiply your mindset to several hundred pilots and we end up where we are now.... no contract, underpaid, overworked, abused. Please, give them a reason to respect us because so far what you said doesn't command respect as a professional.

http://pilot.demotivationalposters.net/image/demotivational-poster/1108/flying-flying-pilot-up-funny-demotivate-demotivational-posters-1313650375.jpg



You are like Barney 2.0
He didnít defend the policy nor do pilots like the policy.
I assume you actually work here but Iím not sure. If you do you should know for a FACT that the ďaccidentalĒ release of the DP definitely pushed guys to vote yes.

You are the one that made the claim that they will crucify you if you miss a commute so prove it, otherwise itís all BS.

Coolhand and I have both missed trips yet nothing but I guess our experience does not count. If anything a good lawyer could find out how many people they didnít enforce the rules on and ask why is my client different. Itís all recorded in flica. Why did payne not get in trouble but que did.....that would be a fun one.

Final Clear
03-06-2018, 07:18 PM
Having been here 10yrs and having just about every scheduling issue imaginable happen. I’m gonna day you’re wrong. I get it. I appreciate where you’re coming from. But that’s not how it works. Those that have been punished under the DP fully deserve what they get and probably more. Most of the time those abusing the DP are not hurting the company, they’re F’ing over their fellow pilots.

...been here longer than that and from personal experience I can state that this is completely and utterly false. This policy has NOT been uniformly enforced from base to base, NOR uniformly enforced within a base, and has been used in the past by CP's as a way to make you tow the line...as in you raise an issue and they go back and look at your dependability. Can't state this enough times...these are not nice people, most have ZERO integrity and they make this job the antithesis of fun.

Hey jetblue...FUPM,

FC

queue
03-06-2018, 09:45 PM
...been here longer than that and from personal experience I can state that this is completely and utterly false. This policy has NOT been uniformly enforced from base to base, NOR uniformly enforced within a base, and has been used in the past by CP's as a way to make you tow the line...as in you raise an issue and they go back and look at your dependability. Can't state this enough times...these are not nice people, most have ZERO integrity and they make this job the antithesis of fun.

Hey jetblue...FUPM,

FC

Bingo... itís not uniformly enforced.

THAT is the problem. Thatís why all these others are company apologists whose argument depends on themselves and their friends not having had a negative experience. Itís out of sight, out of mind. Now we begin to unravel the genetic flaw of the average JB pilot psyche. The wording is extremely draconian. If they want to eat you alive, they can. If they donít care about you, they look the other way. Itís sort of like the eyes of justice not being blindfolded (e.g. for Hillary Clinton). As far as the average JB pilot is concerned, that attitude is intellectual corruption. E.g. hasnít affected me, so I donít care. Deplorable!

But the real problem is that JB pilots donít burn the house down with complaints to management about such an anti-employee policy. Did you guys catch the internal website response to United taking away their profit sharing?? Why donít JB pilots react the same way? Instead, when they passed the policy telling you to clean the airplane (jump), and JB pilots asked ďhow high!!??Ē Seriously, you guys donít even THINK itís a bad thing... much less DO something about it like complain internally to your management. No wonder JB pilots are the most disrespected professionals in the industry.

The blue juice is deep in in the veins of most JB pilots and probably even at the genetic level at this point.

Nothing will get better until you repent from this subconscious Stockholm syndrome you poor souls suffer from (speaking to the apologists).

queue
03-06-2018, 09:50 PM
You are like Barney 2.0
He didnít defend the policy nor do pilots like the policy.
I assume you actually work here but Iím not sure. If you do you should know for a FACT that the ďaccidentalĒ release of the DP definitely pushed guys to vote yes.

You are the one that made the claim that they will crucify you if you miss a commute so prove it, otherwise itís all BS.

Coolhand and I have both missed trips yet nothing but I guess our experience does not count. If anything a good lawyer could find out how many people they didnít enforce the rules on and ask why is my client different. Itís all recorded in flica. Why did payne not get in trouble but que did.....that would be a fun one.

Donít bet the farm on a good lawyer. You agreed to all the terms of employment (FOM, blue book, clean the airplane training). The lawyerís hands are tied. That is the consequence of not having a contract. You have work rules that are completely unfair to you. The company is beyond evil. I canít give you detailed examples here but Iím sure you can talk to people at work.

queue
03-06-2018, 10:03 PM
You are like Barney 2.0
He didn’t defend the policy nor do pilots like the policy.
I assume you actually work here but I’m not sure. If you do you should know for a FACT that the “accidental” release of the DP definitely pushed guys to vote yes.

You are the one that made the claim that they will crucify you if you miss a commute so prove it, otherwise it’s all BS.

Coolhand and I have both missed trips yet nothing but I guess our experience does not count. If anything a good lawyer could find out how many people they didn’t enforce the rules on and ask why is my client different. It’s all recorded in flica. Why did payne not get in trouble but que did.....that would be a fun one.

Oh yes... one more thing.... the FOM and Blue Book are all smoke and mirrors. Read the front page. They can change it whenever they want. They are just guidelines they can arbitrarily choose to follow or disregard. They are legally worth nothing. They use it to give a semblance of the legal concept of “due process”. In reality you are basically “at will” and you can be fired for any reason. The PEA is not a contract and it always ends in company friendly arbitration kangaroo court. So for you company apologists, you are more screwed than you know... I hope you don’t say something charged to an FA (for example) because the company will crucify you in a he said-she said scenario.

Again, this is the consequence of no contract.

You live in a legal environment. Please know your situation. If you care about not exceeding 250 below 10,000, then there’s no reason you should be complacent about the dependability policy.

For those of you that say you had 2 commuting flights, realize the bigger problem is the policy even exists. The policy doesn’t care you had an OOP even with 2 backups. It is not a get out of jail free card. The DP always records data regardless of the circumstances. The commuter policy itself is all smoke and mirrors.

CaptCoolHand
03-07-2018, 06:42 AM
No I’d say you’re wrong. Most of not every major airline has some sort of dependability policy. Our policy paints with a wide brush in order to catch the few problems. The guy who oops or gets sick 4-5 times a year is not the problem. The one who’s sitting rsv 1000nm away from base and calls in sick religiously when given a trip is the problem. I don’t apologize for the company. They way the DP was instituted was total junk. However as professionals we need to work within the rules we have now until we have a proper contract that states otherwise. We had the pvc it didn’t work. That’s in the past. Now we have ALPA. We are our union. Moving forward not back.
You’re constant gripes are things that we cannot change until the CBA is signed. When you say one will be crucified for missing a trip it’s disingenuous and makes you less reputable. It’s the same as saying there’s a mass exodus of pilots every years when it simply hasn’t happened. If you’re going to take the time to write as much as you do on here make it legit so that your point is taken. Do you see my point?

Defeated and beaten down is exactly the opposite of what i see. We are fighting the fight. Don’t make it harder than it has to be. We don’t need to fight each other while fighting for our contract.

I also wanted to say...

Since you've been here for 10 yrs, isn't your relativistic mindset exactly at the core of the problem with the JB pilot group? They let anything go which is why JB screws them over all the time. Is the Blue Juice so deeply engrained in your psyche that you have become a company apologist even though you want a contract? You do see my point?

We all need to scrutinize EVERY single "will, shall, maybe, can", etc. The fact that you have come out in defense of the Dependability Policy points out how defeated and beaten down JB pilots really are. It's like it's in your blue blood to give them an inch so they take a mile.

Professionals wouldn't be tolerant to any degree of work rules like the "Dependability Policy", regardless of whatever utilitarian argument ( you) make for the company. I really think you need to step outside of everything you know and think deeply about how you personally have been complicit to the sad state JB is now. Multiply your mindset to several hundred pilots and we end up where we are now.... no contract, underpaid, overworked, abused. Please, give them a reason to respect us because so far what you said doesn't command respect as a professional.

http://pilot.demotivationalposters.net/image/demotivational-poster/1108/flying-flying-pilot-up-funny-demotivate-demotivational-posters-1313650375.jpg

pilotpayne
03-07-2018, 07:56 AM
Oh yes... one more thing.... the FOM and Blue Book are all smoke and mirrors. Read the front page. They can change it whenever they want. They are just guidelines they can arbitrarily choose to follow or disregard. They are legally worth nothing. They use it to give a semblance of the legal concept of “due process”. In reality you are basically “at will” and you can be fired for any reason. The PEA is not a contract and it always ends in company friendly arbitration kangaroo court. So for you company apologists, you are more screwed than you know... I hope you don’t say something charged to an FA (for example) because the company will crucify you in a he said-she said scenario.

Again, this is the consequence of no contract.

You live in a legal environment. Please know your situation. If you care about not exceeding 250 below 10,000, then there’s no reason you should be complacent about the dependability policy.

For those of you that say you had 2 commuting flights, realize the bigger problem is the policy even exists. The policy doesn’t care you had an OOP even with 2 backups. It is not a get out of jail free card. The DP always records data regardless of the circumstances. The commuter policy itself is all smoke and mirrors.



So do you work here? I noticed you skipped that question.

queue
03-07-2018, 08:06 AM
So do you work here? I noticed you skipped that question.

It's better not to provide that kind of information on this kind of forum.

The701Express
03-07-2018, 08:32 AM
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CaptCoolHand
03-07-2018, 08:52 AM
It's better not to provide that kind of information on this kind of forum.

You had some good points but youve lost credibility. Let us fight our own battles please.

Thanks for coming out.

jtrain609
03-07-2018, 08:59 AM
It's better not to provide that kind of information on this kind of forum.

So you don't work at JetBlue, and you're obviously not an attorney.

My money is on management plant, being that you started posting in earnest after the picket and have tried to give faulty legal advice over and over.

queue
03-07-2018, 09:38 AM
You had some good points but youve lost credibility. Let us fight our own battles please.

Thanks for coming out.

Think what you will. The less you know, the better.

Care to put your credit card info on this forum? What about a copy of your driver's license? I thought not.

queue
03-07-2018, 09:41 AM
So you don't work at JetBlue, and you're obviously not an attorney.

My money is on management plant, being that you started posting in earnest after the picket and have tried to give faulty legal advice over and over.

I can tell you only this: I'm not a company implant, or a company contractor, or anyone paid or unpaid to do the bidding of the company against pilots.

Do you need to know anything more?

What advice is faulty? I've been protesting against the faulty ideas many of you seem to have here. You know... the company apologists that are ok with company policy because it hasn't personally affected them.

jtrain609
03-07-2018, 09:51 AM
I can tell you only this: I'm not a company implant, or a company contractor, or anyone paid or unpaid to do the bidding of the company against pilots.

Do you need to know anything more?

What advice is faulty? I've been protesting against the faulty ideas many of you seem to have here. You know... the company apologists that are ok with company policy because it hasn't personally affected them.

You can tell us whatever you want, but your behavior belies your solemn oath.

As for your advice; in what jurisdictions are you licensed to practice law?

queue
03-07-2018, 09:59 AM
You can tell us whatever you want, but your behavior belies your solemn oath.

As for your advice; in what jurisdictions are you licensed to practice law?

What behavior? Calling out the poor attitude of the beaten down, defeatist JB pilot group? Giving you factual information of how screwed JB pilots really are from a regulation/law perspective? Telling you the truth about how far JB pilots have allowed their employer to abuse them? My biggest fear now is that the deeply rooted DNA level of blue juice in most JetBlue's pilots will allow them to say Yes to a substandard contract that makes compromises using excuses such as "it's our first contract", "look at what happened to AirTran", or "we'll never get something better".

As far as law practice goes, I won't confirm or deny any personal details. Remember you work for a corporation that has a track record of being vindictive to people.

As far as the "legal advice", I present information to you. Look it up for yourself. I usually provide links so you can self educate. You can learn from what I say or you can continue the failed course of action JB pilots have had so far. Hopefully you will break out of The Matrix one day and see how sheepish your peers have been for so long.

jtrain609
03-07-2018, 10:02 AM
What behavior? Calling out the poor attitude of the beaten down, defeatist JB pilot group? Giving you factual information of how screwed JB pilots really are from a regulation/law perspective? Telling you the truth about how far JB pilots have allowed their employer to abuse them? My biggest fear now is that the deeply rooted DNA level of blue juice in most JetBlue's pilots will allow them to say Yes to a substandard contract that makes compromises using excuses such as "it's our first contract", "look at what happened to AirTran", or "we'll never get something better".

As far as law practice goes, I won't confirm or deny any personal details. Remember you work for a corporation that has a track record of being vindictive to people.

As far as the "legal advice", I present information to you. Look it up for yourself. I usually provide links so you can self educate. You can learn from what I say or you can continue the failed course of action JB pilots have had so far. Hopefully you will break out of The Matrix one day and see how sheepish your peers have been for so long.

"The lady doth protest too much."

CaptCoolHand
03-07-2018, 10:05 AM
Think what you will. The less you know, the better.

Care to put your credit card info on this forum? What about a copy of your driver's license? I thought not.

Anyone on this forum who wants to know who I am knows who I am. Same with Payne.

And anyone who wanted to find out who you are, could as well. It may take some time, but as we've seen though some of our regional issues. The courts can get names and IP addresses fairly easily.

I am by no means trying to shut down any dialog, but as I said before. Your credibility is diminished.

queue
03-07-2018, 10:16 AM
Anyone on this forum who wants to know who I am knows who I am. Same with Payne.

And anyone who wanted to find out who you are, could as well. It may take some time, but as we've seen though some of our regional issues. The courts can get names and IP addresses fairly easily.

I am by no means trying to shut down any dialog, but as I said before. Your credibility is diminished.



Think what you will. The facts remain the facts, regardless of what you feel.

CaptCoolHand
03-07-2018, 11:23 AM
Think what you will. The facts remain the facts, regardless of what you feel.

Until you present facts which are false. Then when corrected you turn to slander and false accusation.

seekingblue
03-07-2018, 12:46 PM
I thought OOP didn't require a CP call/ Email



But a missed trip does, correct?

queue
03-07-2018, 01:19 PM
Until you present facts which are false. Then when corrected you turn to slander and false accusation.

What false fact?

queue
03-07-2018, 01:31 PM
I thought OOP didn't require a CP call/ Email



But a missed trip does, correct?

Hard to say...

According to the FOM, pp D-8 "If a pilot has a failed commute causing a pairing modifcation or removal, it is the pilotís responsibility to contact their Chief Pilot within 72 hours of the event". Well, an OOP causes a pairing modification...

Also...

"D.5.2 Policy
Last Revised: 2017-03-01
If a pilot is unavailable for an assignment, Crew Services removes the pilot from the pairing with the appropriate unavailable code. It is the pilotís responsibility to contact
their Chief Pilot within 72 hours of the event
"

Southerner
03-07-2018, 02:41 PM
"The lady doth protest too much."

Haha.


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CaptCoolHand
03-07-2018, 03:26 PM
What false fact?

The false fact that a pilot would be ďcrucifiedĒ should one miss a trip or be DPed... the conversation that we are having? Seriously.
Buddy. Keep up with the conversation if your going to attack people.

After being on two organizing committees at jb and currently being on a committee. Youíre barking up the wrong tree. Smarten up.

pilotpayne
03-07-2018, 08:41 PM
The false fact that a pilot would be ďcrucifiedĒ should one miss a trip or be DPed... the conversation that we are having? Seriously.
Buddy. Keep up with the conversation if your going to attack people.

After being on two organizing committees at jb and currently being on a committee. Youíre barking up the wrong tree. Smarten up.


You know thinking about bible school I guess pontius was a Pilate (pilot) so maybe we will be crucified. I guess working at jetblue is hell right now so way not go biblical. Robin Hayes let my people go ;)

CaptCoolHand
03-08-2018, 03:33 AM
You know thinking about bible school I guess pontius was a Pilate (pilot) so maybe we will be crucified. I guess working at jetblue is hell right now so way not go biblical. Robin Hayes let my people go ;)

Touchť... end thread.

queue
03-09-2018, 03:52 AM
The false fact that a pilot would be ďcrucifiedĒ should one miss a trip or be DPed... the conversation that we are having? Seriously.
Buddy. Keep up with the conversation if your going to attack people.

After being on two organizing committees at jb and currently being on a committee. Youíre barking up the wrong tree. Smarten up.

So, looks like you have to self incriminate and paperwork will be retained by the company for use against you at some point in the future via the dependability policy.

Are you relying on asymmetric enforcement? Again, I only care what is written and I think you are understating the gravity of the draconian DP and commuting policies.

So when you called in OOP, did you contact the Chief Pilot?

According to the FOM, pp D-8 "If a pilot has a failed commute causing a pairing modifcation or removal, it is the pilotís responsibility to contact their Chief Pilot within 72 hours of the event". Well, an OOP causes a pairing modification...

Also...

"D.5.2 Policy
Last Revised: 2017-03-01
If a pilot is unavailable for an assignment, Crew Services removes the pilot from the pairing with the appropriate unavailable code. It is the pilotís responsibility to contact
their Chief Pilot within 72 hours of the event
"

CaptCoolHand
03-10-2018, 09:13 AM
Not sure what your point is. I’m aware of what the book says. What’s self incriminating?? That i followed the book as to what is acceptable to fall within the realm of the commuter policy?


Non event. Unless this is a habitual event, it will always be a non event. No one is getting fired for an oop.

Until the CBA is signed this is what we have to work within. Be smart, be safe, follow SOP. SIMPLY just do your job.

CaptCoolHand
03-10-2018, 10:15 AM
If you miss a trip at DAL, FEDEX, UAL, AA, SWA, or UPS. What happens?

queue
03-10-2018, 05:12 PM
If you miss a trip at DAL, FEDEX, UAL, AA, SWA, or UPS. What happens?

My point is the entire industry needs to be fundamentally reprogrammed where we are respected again so these crappy policies just donít exist. I really donít care what the industry standard is because it blows compared to where it ought to be. I just donít like it when pilots are okay with disrespectful company policies rationalized by previous experience (e.g. it was worse at my regional).

Change starts by higher personal standards.

Remember, itís a corporation so everything is negotiable.

I speak in general, not of you.

CaptCoolHand
03-11-2018, 07:35 AM
My point is the entire industry needs to be fundamentally reprogrammed where we are respected again so these crappy policies just don’t exist. I really don’t care what the industry standard is because it blows compared to where it ought to be. I just don’t like it when pilots are okay with disrespectful company policies rationalized by previous experience (e.g. it was worse at my regional).

Change starts by higher personal standards.

Remember, it’s a corporation so everything is negotiable.

I speak in general, not of you.

Well I never said I was ok with it but fine i see your point.

#me2

Let’s change the world! Fight on

symbian simian
03-16-2018, 11:18 AM
If you miss a trip at DAL, FEDEX, UAL, AA, SWA, or UPS. What happens?

Can only speak for NK.
As long as you listed for 2 flights arriving in base before (no buffer required) check-in, and call cs if you don't get on the first flight (they might buy you a ticket for the 2nd flight), there will be no disciplinary action. You can use the policy every trip.

PS: I'm well aware our rates are crappy



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