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Final Clear
03-16-2018, 01:57 AM
By John Herzfeld

JetBlue Corp. must reinstate a flight attendant who was fired after leaving a plane to raise safety concerns with a supervisor, a Labor Department agency said.

The preliminary reinstatement order takes effect right away, according to the Occupational Safety and Health Administration. The agency, which announced the action March 15, is responsible for evaluating whistleblower complaints filed under a host of federal laws.

The OSHA order also requires JetBlue to clear the flight attendant’s personnel file; post an employee notice on whistleblower rights; and pay $143,784 in back wages, compensatory damages, and attorneys’ fees. The order is appealable to the department’s Office of Administrative Law Judges, but an appeal wouldn’t delay the required reinstatement.
The case illustrates the legal and financial exposure employers can face from personnel actions involving employee whistleblower complaints.

JetBlue, in a statement, said the company will appeal the order.

“Safety is JetBlue’s top priority, and we would never terminate a crew member for raising a safety concern of any kind,” the company said. “While we do not discuss specifics of ongoing litigation, we strongly disagree with the interpretation of the Department of Labor in this instance. The circumstances leading to this termination involved a serious and clear violation of a FAA safety rule on the part of the crew member.”

The termination followed a July 2015 incident in which a passenger aboard a flight scheduled to leave from New York’s John F. Kennedy International Airport remarked about a perceived safety violation, the agency said.

Stepped Off, Made Call
The attendant left the plane and went onto the jetway—the portable passenger bridge by the door—to contact a supervisor for guidance on addressing the safety concern, the agency said. JetBlue fired the attendant two months later, in part for stepping off the plane and making the call from the jetway, it said.

An OSHA investigation concluded that the attendant’s whistleblower activity was a contributing factor in the termination. The activity was protected under the Wendell H. Ford Aviation Investment and Reform Act for the 21st Century, the agency found.

Also known as AIR-21, the 2000 statute (P.L. 106-181) set airline safety requirements in response to 1990s airline crashes.

A redacted copy of the order wasn’t immediately available.

https://www.bna.com/jetblue-reinstate-flight-n57982089921/




POTENTIAL NEW HIRES: you decide if jetblue's top priority is safety.

SHAREHOLDERS: you decide how long you want to see your equity and "brand value" driven into the ground. Is this good PR for your money?



FC


PasserOGas
03-16-2018, 03:37 AM
By John Herzfeld

JetBlue Corp. must reinstate a flight attendant who was fired after leaving a plane to raise safety concerns with a supervisor, a Labor Department agency said.

The preliminary reinstatement order takes effect right away, according to the Occupational Safety and Health Administration. The agency, which announced the action March 15, is responsible for evaluating whistleblower complaints filed under a host of federal laws.

The OSHA order also requires JetBlue to clear the flight attendant’s personnel file; post an employee notice on whistleblower rights; and pay $143,784 in back wages, compensatory damages, and attorneys’ fees. The order is appealable to the department’s Office of Administrative Law Judges, but an appeal wouldn’t delay the required reinstatement.
The case illustrates the legal and financial exposure employers can face from personnel actions involving employee whistleblower complaints.

JetBlue, in a statement, said the company will appeal the order.

“Safety is JetBlue’s top priority, and we would never terminate a crew member for raising a safety concern of any kind,” the company said. “While we do not discuss specifics of ongoing litigation, we strongly disagree with the interpretation of the Department of Labor in this instance. The circumstances leading to this termination involved a serious and clear violation of a FAA safety rule on the part of the crew member.”

The termination followed a July 2015 incident in which a passenger aboard a flight scheduled to leave from New York’s John F. Kennedy International Airport remarked about a perceived safety violation, the agency said.

Stepped Off, Made Call
The attendant left the plane and went onto the jetway—the portable passenger bridge by the door—to contact a supervisor for guidance on addressing the safety concern, the agency said. JetBlue fired the attendant two months later, in part for stepping off the plane and making the call from the jetway, it said.

An OSHA investigation concluded that the attendant’s whistleblower activity was a contributing factor in the termination. The activity was protected under the Wendell H. Ford Aviation Investment and Reform Act for the 21st Century, the agency found.

Also known as AIR-21, the 2000 statute (P.L. 106-181) set airline safety requirements in response to 1990s airline crashes.

A redacted copy of the order wasn’t immediately available.

https://www.bna.com/jetblue-reinstate-flight-n57982089921/




POTENTIAL NEW HIRES: you decide if jetblue's top priority is safety.

SHAREHOLDERS: you decide how long you want to see your equity and "brand value" driven into the ground. Is this good PR for your money?



FC


Bwah ha ha! This story made my day. They fire FAs for every small error and wonder why they are getting a union.

$avety is our only value.
Culture is a lie.

Newhires: Keep your apps warm and watch yourself here. This FA tried to do the right thing thinking Jetblow had his back.

TiredSoul
03-16-2018, 03:40 AM
Just for giggles, what was the supposed safety issue?
And I’m guessing the FA ‘left his position’ during the boarding process?


hyperboy
03-16-2018, 04:16 AM
Bwah ha ha! This story made my day. They fire FAs for every small error and wonder why they are getting a union.

$avety is our only value.
Culture is a lie.

Newhires: Keep your apps warm and watch yourself here. This FA tried to do the right thing thinking Jetblow had his back.

We are not flight attendants and should NEVER be compared to them in any way shape or form. Two totally different jobs.

We are trying to get a Market rate contract! This is not play time.

Can you please take all Your Flight Attendant drama over to the appropriate section where you can cyber tag each other in the Flight Attendant forum. They must love having a pilot on their forum.

RiddleEagle18
03-16-2018, 04:30 AM
We are not flight attendants and should NEVER be compared to them in any way shape or form. Two totally different jobs.



We are trying to get a Market rate contract! This is not play time.



Can you please take all Your Flight Attendant drama over to the appropriate section where you can cyber tag each other in the Flight Attendant forum. They must love having a pilot on their forum.



You really are something special....

You don’t see how this is important info for our pilot group and potential employees?

This is just another reminder of what kind of company we work for.


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hyperboy
03-16-2018, 04:35 AM
By John Herzfeld

JetBlue Corp. must reinstate a flight attendant who was fired after leaving a plane to raise safety concerns with a supervisor, a Labor Department agency said.

The preliminary reinstatement order takes effect right away, according to the Occupational Safety and Health Administration. The agency, which announced the action March 15, is responsible for evaluating whistleblower complaints filed under a host of federal laws.

The OSHA order also requires JetBlue to clear the flight attendant’s personnel file; post an employee notice on whistleblower rights; and pay $143,784 in back wages, compensatory damages, and attorneys’ fees. The order is appealable to the department’s Office of Administrative Law Judges, but an appeal wouldn’t delay the required reinstatement.
The case illustrates the legal and financial exposure employers can face from personnel actions involving employee whistleblower complaints.

JetBlue, in a statement, said the company will appeal the order.

“Safety is JetBlue’s top priority, and we would never terminate a crew member for raising a safety concern of any kind,” the company said. “While we do not discuss specifics of ongoing litigation, we strongly disagree with the interpretation of the Department of Labor in this instance. The circumstances leading to this termination involved a serious and clear violation of a FAA safety rule on the part of the crew member.”

The termination followed a July 2015 incident in which a passenger aboard a flight scheduled to leave from New York’s John F. Kennedy International Airport remarked about a perceived safety violation, the agency said.

Stepped Off, Made Call
The attendant left the plane and went onto the jetway—the portable passenger bridge by the door—to contact a supervisor for guidance on addressing the safety concern, the agency said. JetBlue fired the attendant two months later, in part for stepping off the plane and making the call from the jetway, it said.

An OSHA investigation concluded that the attendant’s whistleblower activity was a contributing factor in the termination. The activity was protected under the Wendell H. Ford Aviation Investment and Reform Act for the 21st Century, the agency found.

Also known as AIR-21, the 2000 statute (P.L. 106-181) set airline safety requirements in response to 1990s airline crashes.

A redacted copy of the order wasn’t immediately available.

https://www.bna.com/jetblue-reinstate-flight-n57982089921/




POTENTIAL NEW HIRES: you decide if jetblue's top priority is safety.

SHAREHOLDERS: you decide how long you want to see your equity and "brand value" driven into the ground. Is this good PR for your money?



FC

We are not flight attendants and should NEVER be compared to them in any way shape or form. Two totally different jobs.

We are trying to get a Market rate contract! This is not play time.

Can you please take all Your Flight Attendant drama over to the appropriate section where you can cyber tag each other in the Flight Attendant forum. They must love having a pilot on their forum.

PowderFinger
03-16-2018, 04:44 AM
Flight Attendants or Pilots

This is why you need a union.

hyperboy
03-16-2018, 04:51 AM
Flight Attendants or Pilots

This is why you need a union.


Pilots this is why we have ALPA.

Not even comparable.

PasserOGas
03-16-2018, 04:58 AM
We are not flight attendants and should NEVER be compared to them in any way shape or form. Two totally different jobs.

We are trying to get a Market rate contract! This is not play time.

Can you please take all Your Flight Attendant drama over to the appropriate section where you can cyber tag each other in the Flight Attendant forum. They must love having a pilot on their forum.

Lol, oh Hyper you really are something special.

They would treat us like this if they could. This speaks to the kind of dirtbag outfit Jetblue really is. That is the point. Also, I got great joy out of watching the ELT lose this one and have to pay for it.

Final Clear
03-16-2018, 05:14 AM
Just for giggles, what was the supposed safety issue?
And I’m guessing the FA ‘left his position’ during the boarding process?

Ask the DOL...

FC

Final Clear
03-16-2018, 05:21 AM
We are not flight attendants and should NEVER be compared to them in any way shape or form. Two totally different jobs.

We are trying to get a Market rate contract! This is not play time.

Can you please take all Your Flight Attendant drama over to the appropriate section where you can cyber tag each other in the Flight Attendant forum. They must love having a pilot on their forum.


...must have struck a nerve...😈

FC

PS - I see your still hiding behind the screen name “hyperboy”

PowderFinger
03-16-2018, 05:28 AM
Pilots this is why we have ALPA.

Not even comparable.

Referring to the situation not the equation.

The situation is someone was unjustly terminated with a (probable) trumped up cause. At UAL we have had a few pilots go through comparable situations and that's just one of many areas where a union pays off. Yes,our union is ALPA.

The equation has remained fairly stable in my 30+ years in the airline foolishness:

Pilots 95/5
Flight Attendants 5/95

That is 95% of the pilots are stable and 5% are nut cases/problems.
I'll let you figure out the equation on the F/As.

The situation is comparable ... The equation never will be.

PowderFinger
03-16-2018, 05:34 AM
Is he always like this or is it only on Friday mornings?

hilltopflyer
03-16-2018, 05:47 AM
Is he always like this or is it only on Friday mornings?

Hyper is always this way

hyperboy
03-16-2018, 05:49 AM
Is he always like this or is it only on Friday mornings?

I just don't understand what this has to do with pilots? It has nothing to do with pilots.

Can't this go in the FA forum?

Bigger fish to fry?

rvr1800
03-16-2018, 05:53 AM
...must have struck a nerve...😈

FC

PS - I see your still hiding behind the screen name “hyperboy”

So your real name is Final Clear?

Final Clear
03-16-2018, 06:05 AM
So your real name is Final Clear?

You're about two threads behind...catch up.

FC

Final Clear
03-16-2018, 06:09 AM
I just don't understand what this has to do with pilots? It has nothing to do with pilots.

Can't this go in the FA forum?

Bigger fish to fry?

It has to do with the stated corporate value of SAFETY. Clearly, with this ruling, the sham of a safety culture is blown wide open. I loved the jetblue response of:

“Safety is JetBlue’s top priority, and we would never terminate a crew member for raising a safety concern of any kind,”

to:

"JetBlue Corp. must reinstate a flight attendant who was fired after leaving a plane to raise safety concerns with a supervisor, a Labor Department agency said."


Classic deny, deny, deny...even when presented with overwhelming evidence.


Potential new hires need to be aware of what they are getting themselves involved with when making a career choice to join jetblue. Investors need to figure out how long they are going to tolerate the current BOD/management strategy of running the brand image into the ground.


FC

PowderFinger
03-16-2018, 06:11 AM
Hyper is always this way

Thanks.

Sooo, always dramatic like flight attendants?

What you might have here is a repressed flight attendant trapped in a pilots uniform.

Just saying. :D

queue
03-16-2018, 07:01 AM
By John Herzfeld

JetBlue Corp. must reinstate a flight attendant who was fired after leaving a plane to raise safety concerns with a supervisor, a Labor Department agency said.

The preliminary reinstatement order takes effect right away, according to the Occupational Safety and Health Administration. The agency, which announced the action March 15, is responsible for evaluating whistleblower complaints filed under a host of federal laws.

The OSHA order also requires JetBlue to clear the flight attendant’s personnel file; post an employee notice on whistleblower rights; and pay $143,784 in back wages, compensatory damages, and attorneys’ fees. The order is appealable to the department’s Office of Administrative Law Judges, but an appeal wouldn’t delay the required reinstatement.
The case illustrates the legal and financial exposure employers can face from personnel actions involving employee whistleblower complaints.

JetBlue, in a statement, said the company will appeal the order.

“Safety is JetBlue’s top priority, and we would never terminate a crew member for raising a safety concern of any kind,” the company said. “While we do not discuss specifics of ongoing litigation, we strongly disagree with the interpretation of the Department of Labor in this instance. The circumstances leading to this termination involved a serious and clear violation of a FAA safety rule on the part of the crew member.”

The termination followed a July 2015 incident in which a passenger aboard a flight scheduled to leave from New York’s John F. Kennedy International Airport remarked about a perceived safety violation, the agency said.

Stepped Off, Made Call
The attendant left the plane and went onto the jetway—the portable passenger bridge by the door—to contact a supervisor for guidance on addressing the safety concern, the agency said. JetBlue fired the attendant two months later, in part for stepping off the plane and making the call from the jetway, it said.

An OSHA investigation concluded that the attendant’s whistleblower activity was a contributing factor in the termination. The activity was protected under the Wendell H. Ford Aviation Investment and Reform Act for the 21st Century, the agency found.

Also known as AIR-21, the 2000 statute (P.L. 106-181) set airline safety requirements in response to 1990s airline crashes.

A redacted copy of the order wasn’t immediately available.

https://www.bna.com/jetblue-reinstate-flight-n57982089921/




POTENTIAL NEW HIRES: you decide if jetblue's top priority is safety.

SHAREHOLDERS: you decide how long you want to see your equity and "brand value" driven into the ground. Is this good PR for your money?



FC


This is GOLD!!!!!!! EXCELLENT!!!!!

Aren't FA's allowed to use the jet bridge phone under a certain circumstance? Seems like he or she did the right thing in many ways.

Bluedriver
03-16-2018, 07:05 AM
Thanks.

Sooo, always dramatic like flight attendants?

What you might have here is a repressed flight attendant trapped in a pilots uniform.

Just saying. :D

Actually, it's worse than that.

queue
03-16-2018, 07:06 AM
We are not flight attendants and should NEVER be compared to them in any way shape or form. Two totally different jobs.

We are trying to get a Market rate contract! This is not play time.

Can you please take all Your Flight Attendant drama over to the appropriate section where you can cyber tag each other in the Flight Attendant forum. They must love having a pilot on their forum.


I think there are three object lessons here:

1) BJ will use every legal mechanism against you, regardless of your benevolent motivations.

2) External Federal agencies can sue on your behalf.

3) This company WILL take retribution against you using clever legal mechanisms or the altruistic high ground. The result is the same... retribution by parallel case.

I personally think every pilot and FA should be aware of this case! Great find!

hyperboy
03-16-2018, 07:14 AM
I think there are three object lessons here:

1) BJ will use every legal mechanism against you, regardless of your benevolent motivations.

2) External Federal agencies can sue on your behalf.

3) This company WILL take retribution against you using clever legal mechanisms or the altruistic high ground. The result is the same... retribution by parallel case.

I personally think every pilot and FA should be aware of this case! Great find!

Here you all go since you are so concerned......:(

Inflight Archives - JetBlue CareersJetBlue Careers (http://work-here.jetblue.com/category/careers/inflight/)

PasserOGas
03-16-2018, 08:05 AM
Here you all go since you are so concerned......:(

Inflight Archives - JetBlue CareersJetBlue Careers (http://work-here.jetblue.com/category/careers/inflight/)

What is wrong with you? The company broke DOL rules and got its peeper shwacked for it. I wonder what other DOL regulations Jetblow violates every day *cough cleaning while standby cough*.

hilltopflyer
03-16-2018, 08:32 AM
Thanks.

Sooo, always dramatic like flight attendants?

What you might have here is a repressed flight attendant trapped in a pilots uniform.

Just saying. :D

He just hates anything that makes the company look bad. He is trying to climb the corporate ladder.

RiddleEagle18
03-16-2018, 09:23 AM
What is wrong with you? The company broke DOL rules and got its peeper shwacked for it. I wonder what other DOL regulations Jetblow violates every day *cough cleaning while standby cough*.



He is a company apologist. He can’t stand bad press for JB. #keepsgettingbetter



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hyperboy
03-16-2018, 09:56 AM
He just hates anything that makes the company look bad. He is trying to climb the corporate ladder.


You are an idiot because you make stuff up. You have no idea what your talking about except absurd accusations. Whats with you making &hit up?

PowderFinger
03-16-2018, 10:08 AM
You are an idiot because you make stuff up. You have no idea what your talking about except absurd accusations. Whats with you making &hit up?

You remind me of a guy we had at Untied. He died of an aneurism about a year ago.

PowderFinger
03-16-2018, 10:10 AM
It was sad. He was way junior to me.

PasserOGas
03-16-2018, 10:18 AM
It was sad. He was way junior to me.

ROFL.

Back to Hyperboy's campaign for Paul H's job.

He just can't believe that once his dream comes true and he is system CP he won't be able to fire people without getting his precious company fined by the DOL.

rvr1800
03-16-2018, 10:43 AM
You're about two threads behind...catch up.

FC

Sorry. Tough to keep up with all the drama lately.

Bozo the pilot
03-16-2018, 10:58 AM
It was sad. He was way junior to me.

Best post of this sbox thread. :D

Bozo the pilot
03-16-2018, 11:01 AM
Here you all go since you are so concerned......:(

Inflight Archives - JetBlue CareersJetBlue Careers (http://work-here.jetblue.com/category/careers/inflight/)

Hyper- Are you not able to see the correlation between B6 management's contempt for ALL of its work groups? This treatment applies to us all until we win this fight.
#STRIKEVOTENOW

Final Clear
03-16-2018, 11:16 AM
Hyper- Are you not able to see the correlation between B6 management's contempt for ALL of its work groups? This treatment applies to us all until we win this fight.
#STRIKEVOTENOW


My guess is "hyperboy" works in LIC...


FC

RiddleEagle18
03-16-2018, 11:18 AM
My guess is "hyperboy" works in LIC...





FC



Careful your gonna get a PM from him now. He’s triggered.

#keepsgettingbetter


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queue
03-16-2018, 11:40 AM
Careful your gonna get a PM from him now. He’s triggered.

#keepsgettingbetter


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Maybe HyperBoy is the pilot (?) on IROP Pants??

hilltopflyer
03-16-2018, 11:49 AM
Careful your gonna get a PM from him now. He’s triggered.

#keepsgettingbetter


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Haha just got one calling me a coward and to man up and call him. Little sensitive Suzy we have here

Bluedriver
03-16-2018, 02:43 PM
Careful your gonna get a PM from him now. He’s triggered.

#keepsgettingbetter


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Yep. He wants you to call him so he can get your identifying info.

Um, nope.

Don't need my name on any super awesome lists in his cubicle...

Final Clear
03-16-2018, 05:12 PM
Yep. He wants you to call him so he can get your identifying info.

Um, nope.

Don't need my name on any super awesome lists in his cubicle...

Is he a B6ALPA member?

FC

slimothy
03-16-2018, 05:29 PM
Is he a B6ALPA member?

FC

Yes, and a committee member.

Final Clear
03-16-2018, 05:42 PM
Yes, and a committee member.

Really, which one?

FC

slimothy
03-16-2018, 06:16 PM
Really, which one?

FC

I’m not sure.

atrdriver
03-16-2018, 06:50 PM
Really, which one?

FC

I'm told he's a company recruiter and has to spew the blue juice to applicants. It makes sense why he's more pro-company than pro-pilot.

Bluedriver
03-17-2018, 07:23 AM
Yes, and a committee member.

That's his "cover".

Bluedriver
03-17-2018, 07:27 AM
I'm told he's a company recruiter and has to spew the blue juice to applicants. It makes sense why he's more pro-company than pro-pilot.

He doesn't "has" to do anything. He is an adult and makes his own choices.

rvr1800
03-17-2018, 10:13 AM
If you’re going to call guys out by name and then not sign your real name (final clear) you’re a coward and a hypocrite.

Final Clear
03-17-2018, 10:17 AM
If you’re going to call guys out by name and then not sign your real name (final clear) you’re a coward and a hypocrite.

Still two threads behind and he has self-identified himself to me and others on this board. The overall message still stands, if you don't like the method...so be it.

FC

FCISACOWARD
03-17-2018, 10:27 AM
You need to understand that you are nothing more than the most current, in a LONG list, of what jetblue considers “a useful idiot”. You are advocating for a soulless corporation that has ZERO concern for it employees - as best demonstrated by this most recent example. When jetblue determines that you’re more of the later they will discard you...just like all the rest of the “useful idiots” before you.

You need to search your soul, if you still have one, and determine what type of legacy you’re going to leave your family with by determining what side you’re going to work for.

Good luck...



FC

Thank you for disclosing my name and not your own.

Final Clear
03-17-2018, 10:32 AM
Thank you for disclosing my name and not your own.

Wow, you have the same name...congratulations. I have no idea who you are...nor do I care. Try again assclown.

FC

slimothy
03-17-2018, 10:38 AM
Thank you for disclosing my name and not your own.

Pretty lame, but predictable if you keep passing out your number, it was bound to happen.

slimothy
03-17-2018, 10:39 AM
Wow, you have the same name...congratulations. I have no idea who you are...nor do I care. Try again assclown.

FC

Pretty weak response. You did it. You know you did it. At least own it.

Final Clear
03-17-2018, 10:46 AM
Pretty weak response. You did it. You know you did it. At least own it.

...what ever. Enjoy your new ride.

FC

rvr1800
03-17-2018, 10:53 AM
Still two threads behind and he has self-identified himself to me and others on this board. The overall message still stands, if you don't like the method...so be it.

FC

So what? I know peoples names on here as well. I don’t post them. What’s your name? If you’re not comfortable posting it then you should delete his.

slimothy
03-17-2018, 10:55 AM
...what ever. Enjoy your new ride.

FC

Thanks, I’ll try. I’m officially between jobs right now.

Final Clear
03-17-2018, 11:03 AM
So what? I know peoples names on here as well. I don’t post them. What’s your name? If you’re not comfortable posting it then you should delete his.

Your objection is duly noted...

FC

FCISACOWARD
03-17-2018, 03:34 PM
Wow, you have the same name...congratulations. I have no idea who you are...nor do I care. Try again assclown.

FC


Then why would you post my name but not your own? Who gave you permission? At what point did you think that was OK? Cause your a coward! So you get to continue to hide.

The keyboard tough guy..........

Gordie H
03-17-2018, 06:44 PM
Your objection is duly noted...

FC


Wow, that’s classless to the infinite degree. I mean, he gives you his info to have a normal conversation and you post it without his permission?

And if this is the person I think it is then I’ll attest to the fact that he’s a great guy, actually helped me out after I started here…didn’t need to. So he likes working here, big F’ing deal? Guess what, so do I. And I want a CBA. And I’ve seen him at the big Alpa events.

Lastly, who the F do you want to do pilot hiring, interviews, etc. anyway? Mgmt, Human Resource people…no pilots? GMAFB.

slimothy
03-17-2018, 08:12 PM
Wow, that’s classless to the infinite degree. I mean, he gives you his info to have a normal conversation and you post it without his permission?

And if this is the person I think it is then I’ll attest to the fact that he’s a great guy, actually helped me out after I started here…didn’t need to. So he likes working here, big F’ing deal? Guess what, so do I. And I want a CBA. And I’ve seen him at the big Alpa events.

Lastly, who the F do you want to do pilot hiring, interviews, etc. anyway? Mgmt, Human Resource people…no pilots? GMAFB.


+1

I disagree with a lot of what HB says, but I know him, and I know he genuinely wants to help fellow pilots out. He likes working here, he’s juicy, but I doubt you can find anything he posts or says that contradicts MEC guidance.

pilotpayne
03-18-2018, 04:18 AM
Wow, that’s classless to the infinite degree. I mean, he gives you his info to have a normal conversation and you post it without his permission?

And if this is the person I think it is then I’ll attest to the fact that he’s a great guy, actually helped me out after I started here…didn’t need to. So he likes working here, big F’ing deal? Guess what, so do I. And I want a CBA. And I’ve seen him at the big Alpa events.

Lastly, who the F do you want to do pilot hiring, interviews, etc. anyway? Mgmt, Human Resource people…no pilots? GMAFB.


I have to agree. This thread is depressing. Yeah HB needs to make better arguments but you don’t post guys names and not your own. I also know who people are on here and I wouldn’t do that. Heck I sent a pm to bluedriver apologizing because I referenced a PRIVATE message between him and I. It’s just not as they say very couth.

Look in the end do what you want but don’t think there won’t be pushback. If you are going to take the step in using someone’s name you should as well.

As far as I understand he has ALPAs full backing in doing hiring and has insight that we don’t have as to what is going on behind the scenes. I would say that is a good asset to have.

We are fully engaged in a union battle with the company and this crap does not help. Just a bunch of pilots fighting amongst themselves because one guy doesn’t do or behave the way the other thinks he should.

I like jetblue and I would vote for a strike tomorrow.
These views can be held at the same time.
In a way we almost need to kill the patient to save it. The DR must be completely done away with and management must learn to deal with a union, that’s not an easy lesson after years and years of them doing whatever they wanted. But they will learn.

ThreeStripe
03-18-2018, 07:11 AM
I have to agree. This thread is depressing. Yeah HB needs to make better arguments but you don’t post guys names and not your own. I also know who people are on here and I wouldn’t do that. Heck I sent a pm to bluedriver apologizing because I referenced a PRIVATE message between him and I. It’s just not as they say very couth.

Look in the end do what you want but don’t think there won’t be pushback. If you are going to take the step in using someone’s name you should as well.

As far as I understand he has ALPAs full backing in doing hiring and has insight that we don’t have as to what is going on behind the scenes. I would say that is a good asset to have.

We are fully engaged in a union battle with the company and this crap does not help. Just a bunch of pilots fighting amongst themselves because one guy doesn’t do or behave the way the other thinks he should.

I like jetblue and I would vote for a strike tomorrow.
These views can be held at the same time.
In a way we almost need to kill the patient to save it. The DR must be completely done away with and management must learn to deal with a union, that’s not an easy lesson after years and years of them doing whatever they wanted. But they will learn.

And by DR I assume you are referencing the Direct Relationship with management? I would be on board with completely doing away with the Dominican Republic as well! :D

pilotpayne
03-18-2018, 08:55 AM
And by DR I assume you are referencing the Direct Relationship with management? I would be on board with completely doing away with the Dominican Republic as well! :D

Yes
Sorry it’s jetblue speak, thanks for not flying jetblue :)

Happy jetting

queue
03-18-2018, 05:53 PM
Thousands of JetBlue flight attendants to vote on joining TWU - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/thousands-jetblue-flight-attendants-vote-joining-twu-article-1.3881493)



This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

Gordie H
03-18-2018, 10:12 PM
+1

I disagree with a lot of what HB says, but I know him, and I know he genuinely wants to help fellow pilots out. He likes working here, he’s juicy, but I doubt you can find anything he posts or says that contradicts MEC guidance.

Yeah, can’t argue with that....

To FC - give some thought to editing your post. Reason being - sounds like you don’t know him in the real world - and if you ever meet him you’re not going to feel too good about yourself (as he’s a good dude). Damage is probably done by now but....

Gordie H
03-18-2018, 10:19 PM
I like jetblue and I would vote for a strike tomorrow.
These views can be held at the same time.

Liked this part the best...agree with the rest of the post too...

Rascal
03-19-2018, 03:20 AM
Liked this part the best...agree with the rest of the post too...

What's to like about JetBlue? What does JetBlue have that's better than other (real) Majors? Serious question.

CaptCoolHand
03-19-2018, 03:58 AM
What's to like about JetBlue? What does JetBlue have that's better than other (real) Majors? Serious question.

Seriously!

Culture... we have culture... ask anyone.


But seriously... no different.

rightside02
03-19-2018, 05:05 PM
Fellas ,,, real men wouldn't type something on this board without their name being attached to it . Otherwise you're a keyboard ninja ...


Nothing is secret on an open forum in my eyes . However I wouldn't use someone else's real name unless they were cool with it . Just lack of respect .

I am sure "some"of the haters on these forums are actually great dudes as I know many of them , and I understand their frustration with the company . I bailed for the same reasons and hope the decision is good. Don't hate on each other tho it's what the company wants in a twisted way


Carry on ninjas 💩🔪

Gordie H
03-19-2018, 07:12 PM
What's to like about JetBlue? What does JetBlue have that's better than other (real) Majors? Serious question.

Honestly, nothing in particular...besides just flying for a living 😊Practically speaking it just works for me right now - driving in, working my schedule to spend lots of nights at home, stuff like that. I can do math though & when my personal situation changes in a few years will be taking another look around. Hopefully we gotta a good CBA by then but guess we’ll see....

Bluedriver
03-20-2018, 03:20 AM
Wow, that’s classless to the infinite degree. I mean, he gives you his info to have a normal conversation and you post it without his permission?

And if this is the person I think it is then I’ll attest to the fact that he’s a great guy, actually helped me out after I started here…didn’t need to. So he likes working here, big F’ing deal? Guess what, so do I. And I want a CBA. And I’ve seen him at the big Alpa events.

Lastly, who the F do you want to do pilot hiring, interviews, etc. anyway? Mgmt, Human Resource people…no pilots? GMAFB.

I don't know him, although he's sending me more hate mail.

He sounds like a good dude, what many of us don't understand is, what is he so happy about? What is he so pleased with? What does he like so much, relative to our real major airline peers?

He won't say, and we cannot for the life of us come up with ANY logical explanation, so the only thing I can think of is future chief pilot/management ambitions.

Not trying to be mean, but he himself refuses to say what is so great right now. Heck, I'll even settle for good. If he can't say what is so good right now, how about what is acceptable, relative to our real major airline peers?

We are in a serious labor dispute, with most of us, even those that used to be pretty juicy (myself included) mad-as-heck, and all he does is drop little juice bombs with a smile.

I would love an explanation with respect to the disconnect, but even he won't give one.

Hyper, what is your motivation? What do you see that the rest of us don't see? What don't we understand? What are we missing?

Respectfully.

hilltopflyer
03-20-2018, 03:55 AM
I don't know him, although he's sending me more hate mail.

He sounds like a good dude, what many of us don't understand is, what is he so happy about? What is he so pleased with? What does he like so much, relative to our real major airline peers?

He won't say, and we cannot for the life of us come up with ANY logical explanation, so the only thing I can think of is future chief pilot/management ambitions.

Not trying to be mean, but he himself refuses to say what is so great right now. Heck, I'll even settle for good. If he can't say what is so good right now, how about what is acceptable, relative to our real major airline peers?

We are in a serious labor dispute, with most of us, even those that used to be pretty juicy (myself included) mad-as-heck, and all he does is drop little juice bombs with a smile.

I would love an explanation with respect to the disconnect, but even he won't give one.

Hyper, what is your motivation? What do you see that the rest of us don't see? What don't we understand? What are we missing?

Respectfully.

You know he won't truthfully answer this.
#keepsgetterbetter

usmc-sgt
04-08-2018, 08:09 AM
Outing others without permission will not be tolerated. Deleted, move along folks.