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motorclutch
03-18-2018, 12:24 PM
1. ATI signs their weak TA.
2. Hete retires. But before he does, he merges ATI & ABX.
3. We finally get rid of the soap-scum.

Life becomes perfect again!


Jason605
03-19-2018, 04:15 AM
1. ATI signs their weak TA.
2. Hete retires. But before he does, he merges ATI & ABX.
3. We finally get rid of the soap-scum.

Life becomes perfect again!

I could see that with an attempt to amalgamate the contracts. That's as good as speculation as any. Lol. I'm hopeful ATI will not be dumb enough to sign such a garbage deal. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they are smart enough for a few more days.

Jurassic Jet
03-19-2018, 06:03 AM
I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they are smart enough...

I have a feeling you should prepare for disappointment.


dynap09
03-19-2018, 07:01 AM
For all the talk about the garbage deal.

This contract has significant pay increases. If you are sitting on good rates now that is less of a factor, the ATI guys are not sitting on good rates.

Folks talk about this contract as if it was the worst one they've every seen. Is it the best contract ever? No. Garbage? That seems like a stretch.

One thing that would give ATI/ABX pilots more leverage were if they had the same union at least but that ship has sailed I think unfortunately. The rodeo starts up again in a few years...

Best of luck to the ATI pilots...

Jason605
03-19-2018, 08:17 AM
For all the talk about the garbage deal.

This contract has significant pay increases. If you are sitting on good rates now that is less of a factor, the ATI guys are not sitting on good rates.

Folks talk about this contract as if it was the worst one they've every seen. Is it the best contract ever? No. Garbage? That seems like a stretch.

One thing that would give ATI/ABX pilots more leverage were if they had the same union at least but that ship has sailed I think unfortunately. The rodeo starts up again in a few years...

Best of luck to the ATI pilots...


It's garbage. Significant pay increase on top of garbage is still garbage. The ATI TA was designed to do one thing, whipsaw ABX. It's the exact same numbers ABX already turned down. It's garbage and they'd be morons for taking it.

maxjet
03-19-2018, 09:14 AM
[QUOTE=Jason605;2553964]It's garbage. Significant pay increase on top of garbage is still garbage. The ATI TA was designed to do one thing, whipsaw ABX. It's the exact same numbers ABX already turned down. It's garbage and they'd be morons for taking it.[/QUOTE

History is repeating itself here. Hopefully a better decision will be made this time. (I hope I have this story correct)

DHL offered ABX 737ís at a rate that ABX felt was too far below book that it could not accept them. DHL then went to Southern who, under the shadow of working for a company in financial crises voted to accept the airplanes at the below book rate that ABX had refused. The 737 operation has been a disaster since it began.

Now we have a TA mirrors this process. Hopefully the pilots at ATI will look at the result of the above and vote common sense.

There is a reason why ATI has been offered this contract. Find out the reason and vote based on that. At K4 that reason was that they wanted to expand and we could not hire pilots. They did a cost analysis and probably found that it was more profitable to pay and attract pilots than it was to wither and die on the vine. What is the reason for this? Expansion? Whipsaw?

vroll1800
03-19-2018, 10:12 AM
[QUOTE=Jason605;2553964]It's garbage. Significant pay increase on top of garbage is still garbage. The ATI TA was designed to do one thing, whipsaw ABX. It's the exact same numbers ABX already turned down. It's garbage and they'd be morons for taking it.[/QUOTE

History is repeating itself here. Hopefully a better decision will be made this time. (I hope I have this story correct)

DHL offered ABX 737’s at a rate that ABX felt was too far below book that it could not accept them. DHL then went to Southern who, under the shadow of working for a company in financial crises voted to accept the airplanes at the below book rate that ABX had refused. The 737 operation has been a disaster since it began.

Now we have a TA mirrors this process. Hopefully the pilots at ATI will look at the result of the above and vote common sense.

There is a reason why ATI has been offered this contract. Find out the reason and vote based on that. At K4 that reason was that they wanted to expand and we could not hire pilots. They did a cost analysis and probably found that it was more profitable to pay and attract pilots than it was to wither and die on the vine. What is the reason for this? Expansion? Whipsaw?

You pretty much got it. (Can't speak for actual B737 operation, though.) I would add that ATI pilot group was offered a low ball 737 rate without home basing back in 2013. Offer was rejected, from there it went to Southern.

As for reasons, I'd say it's both. Whipsaw to put a lid on ABX, expansion because JH designated ATI as the favored airline. JH pretty much said so in early 2017 earnings conference call. (Since ATI did not honor ABX strike and crossed the line, they would be rewarded for that by getting all additional Amazon flying.)