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Thewrongstufff
03-20-2018, 03:45 PM
Long time listener, first time caller.

Just a word of caution to those who need to do the ATP CTP through rjet before you come. They will try to tell you that it is tax deductible for "educational" expense. That is complete BS and many of those who did their taxes this year owed a lot of money because it is reported as 1099 income by the company. This confused even those with CPA friends as to why it was reported this way. It took about all my refund and I ended up owing about 350$ after it was entered into my taxes. Just a word of caution when they sell you that "you MAY be able to claim this as an educational expense.." it is complete BS and you will put you on the hook for it..

I am in NO means a tax person so please don't jump on me for anything.. just sharing my experience and passing along info.


Ni7irs
03-20-2018, 04:51 PM
Does it make sense to just get the class done through a third party provider so you do not have to expense it? How much did they assess on your 1099?

UnderCenter
03-20-2018, 04:58 PM
My CPA would disagree and would argue that it is tax deductible. This might all be different now under the new tax law though. This is not specific to Republic though, every regional Iíve talked to reports the ATP CTP as taxable as well.


Ni7irs
03-20-2018, 05:18 PM
I was thinking this as well. Just did some quick research and there are several ways to categorize it. Who knows what the new tax law allows.

flydiamond
03-20-2018, 05:22 PM
Work for another airline.

Could someone clarify what is different about Republic’s CTP where you’re being hit with a tax bill. As far as I know, this is not an issue at Endeavor.

rxsanche
03-20-2018, 06:25 PM
Friends;

Just came to learn via Republic's own "welcome letter" the most deceiving practice I have yet to see in these Regionals.
First, Republic creamy advertises they will pay for your ATP-CTP course. It's on their website also. However, the make no mention whatsoever until you are hired. They send you a welcome letter that clearly states YOU will be taxed on a 1099 form for the full cost of the ATP-CTP course not to exceed $4,500 PLUS hotel costs and other expenses they may incur
In addition, should you not be able to make their chosen date for initial training, then you will owe them the entire costs for the ATP-CTP course again plus their hotel and airfare
Way to go Republic! Republic must really think Pilots are morons..
Wait until you get sued for deceiving practices.

sflpilot
03-20-2018, 06:45 PM
Wow. I had no idea this was going on anywhere. Great reporting! How many regionals is this happening at? Are they sending people to a third party vendor for the ctp or is it integrated in to their training program? What would stop them from taxing you for the cost of the entire training (ground and sim) plus hotels the whole time? We need to crowdsource this to get answers.

UnderCenter
03-20-2018, 08:19 PM
I can tell you for a fact that Envoy does the same thing. I think itís bs but Republic isnít the only one.

Twin Wasp
03-21-2018, 04:51 AM
Just a disinterested bystander-

Just to get this straight. The company sends you your 1099 at the end of the year and says "Oh, by the way we gave you the CTP course which was a ~5000 dollar value." There was no withholding on this amount. So the IRS says "You owe us another $1250." (5000 x 25% tax bracket.) That's what's playing out?

4V14T0R
03-21-2018, 06:09 AM
You are not an employee until you start Indoc. So they are doing you a service by not having to pay the full amount. You donít meet the requirements of being an employee because you donít have the ATP knowledge test completed. In order to take that knowledge test you need the ATP-CTP program completed.

So while this is the first Iím hearing of this, it doesnít surprise me. You are deriving an educational benefit from an organization you arenít a part of yet. It sounds like a bunch of whining from those that are coming in without an understanding of airline history and how good they have it.


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Av8r75
03-21-2018, 06:11 AM
These are the kind of posts on APC that really drive me crazy! Some people will find anything to complain about. Before anyone thinks I am defending Republic (Lord knows it will happen), I work in the corporate world at present, but am thinking of returning to the airlines.

These forums often help to paint a picture for those of us who are making career decisions. Posts like this one are not helping....

The company is paying for your ATP-CTP course for crying out loud! This is a requirement by the FAA that you would have to pay for, in order to meet the airline's hiring requirements in the first place. They are giving it to you so it counts as income, like winning on a game show or at a casino. Since you are not an employee yet, they have to show the expense to the IRS on a 1099. If the new tax laws that Trump introduced keep you from de ducting this, blame Trump, not the airline.

They tell you that it may have tax impacts, who cares when they tell you. You are getting something free and if you plan right, it shouldn't be a problem.

Sorry to rant, but come on people...we need to be realistic here and stop griping about stuff like this. Makes us look like children....anyone remember low pay, horrible scheduling and truly poor QOL...those of you who just started working for a regional in the last 5 years, don't know who good you have it!!

(Rant over)

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4V14T0R
03-21-2018, 07:45 AM
These are the kind of posts on APC that really drive me crazy! Some people will find anything to complain about. Before anyone thinks I am defending Republic (Lord knows it will happen), I work in the corporate world at present, but am thinking of returning to the airlines.

These forums often help to paint a picture for those of us who are making career decisions. Posts like this one are not helping....

The company is paying for your ATP-CTP course for crying out loud! This is a requirement by the FAA that you would have to pay for, in order to meet the airline's hiring requirements in the first place. They are giving it to you so it counts as income, like winning on a game show or at a casino. Since you are not an employee yet, they have to show the expense to the IRS on a 1099. If the new tax laws that Trump introduced keep you from de ducting this, blame Trump, not the airline.

They tell you that it may have tax impacts, who cares when they tell you. You are getting something free and if you plan right, it shouldn't be a problem.

Sorry to rant, but come on people...we need to be realistic here and stop griping about stuff like this. Makes us look like children....anyone remember low pay, horrible scheduling and truly poor QOL...those of you who just started working for a regional in the last 5 years, don't know who good you have it!!

(Rant over)

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To add on, it seems every new hire is getting a $17,500 signing bonus. Save some of it for the taxes if you arenít able to itemize.

This just wreaks of kids who donít understand how the world works.


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Av8r75
03-21-2018, 07:50 AM
Amen to that AV14T0R!!

bnkangle
03-21-2018, 09:05 AM
The company is paying for your ATP-CTP course for crying out loud! This is a requirement by the FAA that you would have to pay for, in order to meet the airline's hiring requirements in the first place. They are giving it to you so it counts as income,

Then why not 1099 new hires for their type ratings, too?

The FAA doesn’t determine when someone officially becomes an employee, the company does.

Av8r75
03-21-2018, 09:25 AM
Then why not 1099 new hires for their type ratings, too?

The FAA doesnít determine when someone officially becomes an employee, the company does.

See my other response to you on the other thread!

Can't believe we are discussing this on 2 threads now...I am done with this discussion. Have fun everyone...peace out!

FlyGood
03-21-2018, 10:47 AM
Just a disinterested bystander-

Just to get this straight. The company sends you your 1099 at the end of the year and says "Oh, by the way we gave you the CTP course which was a ~5000 dollar value." There was no withholding on this amount. So the IRS says "You owe us another $1250." (5000 x 25% tax bracket.) That's what's playing out?

Iíll admit Iím not read up on 1099 rules, but what regional new hire is in the 25% tax bracket? Maybe if you were hired in January you could get there with the bonuses, but otherwise thatíd be a tough bracket to reach.

Flightcap
03-21-2018, 11:57 AM
The IRS withholds 25%, but it comes out in the wash when your total income is assessed and some of it comes back to you. This has been discussed ad nauseam regarding signing bonuses.

FlyGood
03-21-2018, 12:53 PM
The IRS withholds 25%, but it comes out in the wash when your total income is assessed and some of it comes back to you. This has been discussed ad nauseam regarding signing bonuses.

That was kind of my point. When all is said and done youíre paying about $1000 for something that would cost you $5000 if done out of pocket. Not really a bad deal.

Ni7irs
03-21-2018, 06:20 PM
Actually, even if you did not receive a 1099, you should report it as income voluntarily because it is an economic gain to you. If you sell bananas on the side of the road and are paid in apples, you are still obtaining income and must report it to the IRS.

As for issuing a 1099 for the type rating, I suppose this has to do with the threshold issue of whether the educational benefit is to obtain the minimum requirements to hold the job vs education to sustain the job. While the expenditure of type rating pilots fits better in the latter category, the atp is clearly in the former category.

I am scheduled to start soon. Do you guys talk to each other like this in person? Just curious.

Twin Wasp
03-22-2018, 12:08 AM
Iíll admit Iím not read up on 1099 rules, but what regional new hire is in the 25% tax bracket? Maybe if you were hired in January you could get there with the bonuses, but otherwise thatíd be a tough bracket to reach.

My bad, used last year's rate. So 22%. It's a taxable fringe benefit.

Flightcap
03-22-2018, 12:47 AM
Actually, even if you did not receive a 1099, you should report it as income voluntarily because it is an economic gain to you. If you sell bananas on the side of the road and are paid in apples, you are still obtaining income and must report it to the IRS.

As for issuing a 1099 for the type rating, I suppose this has to do with the threshold issue of whether the educational benefit is to obtain the minimum requirements to hold the job vs education to sustain the job. While the expenditure of type rating pilots fits better in the latter category, the atp is clearly in the former category.

I am scheduled to start soon. Do you guys talk to each other like this in person? Just curious.

Everyone has stronger muscles behind a keyboard.

da42pilot
03-23-2018, 12:35 PM
This is tax law stuff.

ATP CTP = youíre not an employee = the price of the training paid by the airline counts as income.

Type rating = youíre an employee and itís requires for your job = does not count as income.

The big difference is whether youíre an employee at the time of training or not.

This is going to happen at ALL airlines offering ATP CTP free of charge because itís a matter of tax law, not company or FAA policy.

Trumpís changes isnít going to affect any of this.

You never paid for any of the training, it makes no sense to think youíd get any type of tax benefit out of it.

flydiamond
03-23-2018, 01:30 PM
This is tax law stuff.

ATP CTP = youíre not an employee = the price of the training paid by the airline counts as income.

Type rating = youíre an employee and itís requires for your job = does not count as income.

The big difference is whether youíre an employee at the time of training or not.

This is going to happen at ALL airlines offering ATP CTP free of charge because itís a matter of tax law, not company or FAA policy.

Trumpís changes isnít going to affect any of this.

You never paid for any of the training, it makes no sense to think youíd get any type of tax benefit out of it.

Endeavor isnít sending out 1099s to their new hires for the ATP/CTP. We werenít employees when we did it. Havenít heard of this happening anywhere but republic. And to be honest, and this isnít being entitled one bit, I donít think this tax burden should fall in the new hire. Taking the CTP course and qualifying for the written is a large expense. While a doctor shouldnít expect a new hospital they just got hired to pay for their medical education, they probably cover the costs of becoming licensed to practice in that particular state.

Really no different with the ATP. The pilot is already an educated and qualified pilot, they just need to become licensed to work within the employers environment (which as of 2014 or whenever it was now requires an ATP, a change from the past).

I think pilots sell themselves too short all to often. Just because things used to be worse doesnít mean theyíre where they need to be currently, I think they call this Stockholm Syndrome.

da42pilot
03-24-2018, 07:50 AM
Endeavor isnít sending out 1099s to their new hires for the ATP/CTP. We werenít employees when we did it. Havenít heard of this happening anywhere but republic. And to be honest, and this isnít being entitled one bit, I donít think this tax burden should fall in the new hire. Taking the CTP course and qualifying for the written is a large expense. While a doctor shouldnít expect a new hospital they just got hired to pay for their medical education, they probably cover the costs of becoming licensed to practice in that particular state.

Really no different with the ATP. The pilot is already an educated and qualified pilot, they just need to become licensed to work within the employers environment (which as of 2014 or whenever it was now requires an ATP, a change from the past).

I think pilots sell themselves too short all to often. Just because things used to be worse doesnít mean theyíre where they need to be currently, I think they call this Stockholm Syndrome.

Republic paid for your CTP course AND your ATP written. This is a large expense for THEM, not for you. Itís a massive BENEFIT to you. And this the IRS considers income to you. And thereís no way Republic can pay your income taxes.

flydiamond
03-24-2018, 08:17 AM
Republic paid for your CTP course AND your ATP written. This is a large expense for THEM, not for you. Itís a massive BENEFIT to you. And this the IRS considers income to you. And thereís no way Republic can pay your income taxes.

This is simply not happening at other regionals.

Longleaf7
03-24-2018, 08:35 AM
This is simply not happening at other regionals.



Feel free to go to work for other regionals.


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FO Candidate
03-24-2018, 07:00 PM
This is simply not happening at other regionals.

Envoy does it

emersonbiguns
03-25-2018, 05:16 AM
... I donít think this tax burden should fall in the new hire.

Would it be OK if they put the California, we've got to label everything for the lowest common denominator warning on it "Trainee is responsible for all taxes associated their FREE training"?

MrFriendly7
11-17-2018, 05:56 PM
Republic pays for your CTP ATP and ATP written like others have said. Yes 1099. Big benefit here is they also get you a NICE hotel for entire training for YOURSELF. Alot of other places you CO-DOMICILE or have to pay 3,000 for your own room like Skywest. Also no bonus! Republic also pays you 75 flight hours approx. $3400 per month for training and even when your sitting at home doing nothing for 2 months because of training backlog. Skywest doesn't pay you. Endeavor has training backlog and FOREVER RESERVE. Skywest minimal reserve on crj 200 but long reserve if you want ERJ, READY RESERVE at airport. Republic almost no reserve and NO READY RESERVE just 2 hour call out. There is NO COMPARISON. Republic is winning!

If anyone needs a foot in the door with Republic feel free to PM me.

Arliss
11-17-2018, 06:45 PM
Xjet pilot here. I don't recall paying any taxes for my CTP. It was considered part of required new hire training, not a "gift" of any sort.

I'd say talk to a tax attorney/accountant.

flydiamond
11-17-2018, 06:58 PM
Xjet pilot here. I don't recall paying any taxes for my CTP. It was considered part of required new hire training, not a "gift" of any sort.

I'd say talk to a tax attorney/accountant.

Same for Endeavor. Nothing at all on W2s for the CTP nor was a 1099 sent.

dera
11-17-2018, 10:33 PM
Big benefit here is they also get you a NICE hotel for entire training for YOURSELF. Alot of other places you CO-DOMICILE

Big benefit? Oh come on. "alot of other places", Skywest is the only one...

Tigflt17
11-18-2018, 06:02 AM
Republic pays for your CTP ATP and ATP written like others have said. Yes 1099. Big benefit here is they also get you a NICE hotel for entire training for YOURSELF. Alot of other places you CO-DOMICILE or have to pay 3,000 for your own room like Skywest. Also no bonus! Republic also pays you 75 flight hours approx. $3400 per month for training and even when your sitting at home doing nothing for 2 months because of training backlog. Skywest doesn't pay you. Endeavor has training backlog and FOREVER RESERVE. Skywest minimal reserve on crj 200 but long reserve if you want ERJ, READY RESERVE at airport. Republic almost no reserve and NO READY RESERVE just 2 hour call out. There is NO COMPARISON. Republic is winning!

If anyone needs a foot in the door with Republic feel free to PM me.

Slow it down bud. ďNICEĒ hotel???? Wait till you actually stay in the luxury Super 8 or Wingate. Then youíll be changing your mind. Free dinner and beer though is the only plus. The ďpay while you go homeĒ is stopping next year. Yes while you may be included, others next year wonít. And itís not 3400 a month, did you forget about the 1800 first month? (Not including bonus if you have bigger better reasons for the bonus) Reserve timeline depends on time of the year. Currently all bases are seeing a minimum of 2 months reserve. Based on initial schedule before SAP, December junior line holder is out of LGA and an early June hire. So still about 2-3 months reserve. Not being a prick at all, but Piece of advice, youíre not on property yet so youíre posting based on recruiters and if you have any buddies there that may not be telling you it all.

pilot2804
11-18-2018, 06:24 AM
The wingate and super 8 arenít even that bad

A lot of bad things about this industry: people complain about the smallllllest stuff, yet to think back 10 years ago they were practically sleeping on the streets making 20k a year. No airline is going to be perfect, but republic is a good choice. Just donít get your panties in a wad every time something doesnít go your way and suck it up and move to the next stage in your life

4V14T0R
11-18-2018, 06:54 AM
The wingate and super 8 arenít even that bad



A lot of bad things about this industry: people complain about the smallllllest stuff, yet to think back 10 years ago they were practically sleeping on the streets making 20k a year. No airline is going to be perfect, but republic is a good choice. Just donít get your panties in a wad every time something doesnít go your way and suck it up and move to the next stage in your life



There is PLENTY bad about the Super 8, but the name should be enough. Youíre probably one of those guys that just likes the free beer. The only reason itís free is because of how bad the hotel is. You are aware of this, right?


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MrFriendly7
11-18-2018, 11:18 AM
Slow it down bud. “NICE” hotel???? Wait till you actually stay in the luxury Super 8 or Wingate. Then you’ll be changing your mind. Free dinner and beer though is the only plus. The “pay while you go home” is stopping next year. Yes while you may be included, others next year won’t. And it’s not 3400 a month, did you forget about the 1800 first month? (Not including bonus if you have bigger better reasons for the bonus) Reserve timeline depends on time of the year. Currently all bases are seeing a minimum of 2 months reserve. Based on initial schedule before SAP, December junior line holder is out of LGA and an early June hire. So still about 2-3 months reserve. Not being a prick at all, but Piece of advice, you’re not on property yet so you’re posting based on recruiters and if you have any buddies there that may not be telling you it all.

Anything can change by next year of course with any regional. Yes $3400 a month NOT INCLUDING the bonus lol. Last guy at LGA was on reserve for 1 day. Im going to LGA its where I grew up and want to be. Skywest was also a option on the ERJ but reserve is much longer. Endeavor was also a option on the CRJ but reserve is even longer. So for my situation, LGA, Republic wins by a whole lot. Yes the 2-2.5 month training back log is bad news but they are paying for me to sit at home. How can I complain. Rather enjoy the holidays anyway then be sitting in a hotel studying. It will come soon enough.

Besides all this with dealing with the 3 regionals I have been treated the nice by Republic. Hopefully stays this way. Their hiring process was the most detailed too. Skywest asked me a few questions and took me asap. You can tell they are hurting for pilots. There's a reason for this!

pilot2804
11-18-2018, 01:41 PM
There is PLENTY bad about the Super 8, but the name should be enough. Youíre probably one of those guys that just likes the free beer. The only reason itís free is because of how bad the hotel is. You are aware of this, right?


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nah just came from the military where "embracing the suck" to get to a better place is pretty much known everywhere.
but yes, free beer is delicious, specially when it's yuengling

Cobra Commander
11-18-2018, 02:29 PM
nah just came from the military where "embracing the suck" to get to a better place is pretty much known everywhere.
but yes, free beer is delicious, specially when it's yuengling

Are you serious? Free Yuengling!? Holy crap this is gonna be even better than I thought!

Clearly 4V14T0R has never taken a dump in a porta-potty while enjoying tropical latitudes and mild case of travelers diarrhea and then getting a smurf kiss at the end. Every day...for weeks. #S8couldprobablybeworse

But I also don't doubt that you guys have seen some shiz at the Supah8 that can't be unseen. Care to share? I bet it's pretty funny.

starkutt1
11-18-2018, 02:53 PM
Slow it down bud. ďNICEĒ hotel???? Wait till you actually stay in the luxury Super 8 or Wingate. Then youíll be changing your mind. Free dinner and beer though is the only plus. The ďpay while you go homeĒ is stopping next year. Yes while you may be included, others next year wonít. And itís not 3400 a month, did you forget about the 1800 first month? (Not including bonus if you have bigger better reasons for the bonus) Reserve timeline depends on time of the year. Currently all bases are seeing a minimum of 2 months reserve. Based on initial schedule before SAP, December junior line holder is out of LGA and an early June hire. So still about 2-3 months reserve. Not being a prick at all, but Piece of advice, youíre not on property yet so youíre posting based on recruiters and if you have any buddies there that may not be telling you it all.
Who told you itís stopping next year ?

DiveAndDrive
11-18-2018, 03:38 PM
Only speculating here, no more, no less.

My guess is that since AQP initial along with them hiring for classes so far in the future, they have the backlog figured out. Theyíre just not sending you to class until they have a spot for you, hence why people who are interviewing now are getting June classes. Again, just my guess.

As far as the hotel situation.... I personally thought the Wingate is perfectly fine, and I honestly didnít have a large problem with the Ocho. Iíve been at better hotels, yes, but Iíve also been at worse hotels. I also spent time in the military, so take it for what itís worth. But Iíve seen better (by far), and Iíve seen worse.

MrFriendly7
11-18-2018, 04:11 PM
Only speculating here, no more, no less.

My guess is that since AQP initial along with them hiring for classes so far in the future, they have the backlog figured out. Theyíre just not sending you to class until they have a spot for you, hence why people who are interviewing now are getting June classes. Again, just my guess.

As far as the hotel situation.... I personally thought the Wingate is perfectly fine, and I honestly didnít have a large problem with the Ocho. Iíve been at better hotels, yes, but Iíve also been at worse hotels. I also spent time in the military, so take it for what itís worth. But Iíve seen better (by far), and Iíve seen worse.

Some people just like to complain brother. $17,500 bonus, paid for vacation during wait, your own hotel room. They want some 5 star stuff! Mommy Daddy sheltered them a little too much. Welcome to the real world.

4V14T0R
11-18-2018, 04:22 PM
nah just came from the military where "embracing the suck" to get to a better place is pretty much known everywhere.

but yes, free beer is delicious, specially when it's yuengling



Yeah, this ainít the military bud. Thereís enough of ďembracing the suckĒ as it is to get to mainline that we donít need the super 8 to add to it. With all that said there are some legit safety issues with that place.


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DiveAndDrive
11-18-2018, 05:00 PM
I mean.... they could always put us in that motel thatís literally right next to the Ocho... the one with the outside doors and stuff. ;p

I WILL say this. I only spent 4 days at the Ocho, so my knowledge of it is fairly limited. I had an incredibly loose toilet seat, that basically made me have to treat the toilet as a squatty potty, but they replaced it promptly after I reported it. That was the only issue that I had with it, other than you have to keep getting the front desk worker to come over and pour the beer for you. Iím sure other people have legit stories about it, and I donít doubt them. The Wingate is better, though.

Tigflt17
11-18-2018, 08:54 PM
Some people just like to complain brother. $17,500 bonus, paid for vacation during wait, your own hotel room. They want some 5 star stuff! Mommy Daddy sheltered them a little too much. Welcome to the real world.

Strong words from someone not on property yet. Not once did I say 5 star, just wait till you stay there. And if I must, I was in the military as well so I know what the real world is.

DarkSideMoon
11-18-2018, 09:57 PM
Some people just like to complain brother. $17,500 bonus, paid for vacation during wait, your own hotel room. They want some 5 star stuff! Mommy Daddy sheltered them a little too much. Welcome to the real world.

Aviation is the only industry Iíve ever seen where people will attack other people for pointing out a super-8 is probably a sub-par place to put professionals that have spent half a decade and six figures or more in training.

Do you think google, Boeing, mainline, or any other reputable company puts their employees, even new hires, in a super eight for training?

dera
11-18-2018, 10:05 PM
Aviation is the only industry Iíve ever seen where people will attack other people for pointing out a super-8 is probably a sub-par place to put professionals that have spent half a decade and six figures or more in training.

Do you think google, Boeing, mainline, or any other reputable company puts their employees, even new hires, in a super eight for training?

Plenty of majors don't pay for your hotel during training.

DiveAndDrive
11-18-2018, 10:05 PM
Aviation is the only industry Iíve ever seen where people will attack other people for pointing out a super-8 is probably a sub-par place to put professionals that have spent half a decade and six figures or more in training.

Do you think google, Boeing, mainline, or any other reputable company puts their employees, even new hires, in a super eight for training?

You do have a valid point. I have no problem eating some crow for some of my sentiment, because Iíve never really looked at it from this perspective.

TheWeatherman
11-19-2018, 06:11 AM
Aviation is the only industry Iíve ever seen where people will attack other people for pointing out a super-8 is probably a sub-par place to put professionals that have spent half a decade and six figures or more in training.

Do you think google, Boeing, mainline, or any other reputable company puts their employees, even new hires, in a super eight for training?
Top be fair, people who say the Super 8 is fine have also been "attacked" in the past both on here and the Facebook group.

MrFriendly7
11-19-2018, 03:17 PM
Aviation is the only industry Iíve ever seen where people will attack other people for pointing out a super-8 is probably a sub-par place to put professionals that have spent half a decade and six figures or more in training.

Do you think google, Boeing, mainline, or any other reputable company puts their employees, even new hires, in a super eight for training?

Just because someone said it doesn't mean its true. I was NEVER put in a super 8 ever during training. Winngate suites with a living room, Drury inn Suite, a really nice La Quinta inn with a 55 inch LED TV and soft King size. Not sure where people are getting sub par from. Probably people who have never worked or trained a day in their life for Republic!

MrFriendly7
11-19-2018, 03:21 PM
If you spent 6 figures for training you just over paid.

BTW Republic is going to be in 5k for CTP course another 1k at least for hotel during that course. $3500 x 3 months pay while I sit at home. Plus the cost of hotels during that training at least 2-3k. Then a $17,500 bonus. Your looking at 35k investment before I even stepped in the door. Sure the bonus is laid out over time. But it is what it is.

DarkSideMoon
11-19-2018, 04:58 PM
If you spent 6 figures for training you just over paid.

BTW Republic is going to be in 5k for CTP course another 1k at least for hotel during that course. $3500 x 3 months pay while I sit at home. Plus the cost of hotels during that training at least 2-3k. Then a $17,500 bonus. Your looking at 35k investment before I even stepped in the door. Sure the bonus is laid out over time. But it is what it is.

I included a four year degree in that figure because you need it unless you go to a wholly owned or never want to see mainline.

BosoxH60
11-20-2018, 04:00 AM
Just because someone said it doesn't mean its true. I was NEVER put in a super 8 ever during training. Winngate suites with a living room, Drury inn Suite, a really nice La Quinta inn with a 55 inch LED TV and soft King size. Not sure where people are getting sub par from. Probably people who have never worked or trained a day in their life for Republic!

People were definitely put up in the Ocho during training. I personally never got it, but it happens. That said, itís not the worst thing that could happen to you.

Captain Slow
11-20-2018, 05:34 AM
Just because someone said it doesn't mean its true. I was NEVER put in a super 8 ever during training. Winngate suites with a living room, Drury inn Suite, a really nice La Quinta inn with a 55 inch LED TV and soft King size. Not sure where people are getting sub par from. Probably people who have never worked or trained a day in their life for Republic!



You were decidedly lucky then. Wait till recurrent, itís the standard hotel for that, and I speak from experience as recently as last month.


Also, ďreally nice LaQuintaĒ isnít a thing. Iím sorry, but itís just not. Itís an economy hotel for people who canít afford a Hampton. It took us years to get out of the LQ in Earth City/STL, and it was only after a crew member found a crack pipe on their headboard that we did. Not joking.

Iím not one to ***** about hotels much (I used to spend 300+ nights a year in them for my charter gig, IHG Spire Elite, Marriott Platinum, HH Diamond... got them all) but the Super Ocho is not an acceptable place to put your employees. From people being mugged in the parking lot to bedbugs to roaches to no hot water to rooms that are disgusting, the place has a long and storied history of being a dump. For the most part the places we stay on the line arenít bad, but the training hotels are awful.

-break-

ďEmbracing the suckĒ as a carryover from the military is one of the reasons the civil aviation industry doesnít get nice things. Just because you had camel spiders sleep with you in the service doesnít mean you should have them now. Thank you for your service (seriously, thank you) but quit lowering the bar for how the civil sector treats its employees. Itís not even close to the same thing.


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Tigflt17
11-20-2018, 05:51 AM
You were decidedly lucky then. Wait till recurrent, itís the standard hotel for that, and I speak from experience as recently as last month.


Also, ďreally nice LaQuintaĒ isnít a thing. Iím sorry, but itís just not. Itís an economy hotel for people who canít afford a Hampton. It took us years to get out of the LQ in Earth City/STL, and it was only after a crew member found a crack pipe on their headboard that we did. Not joking.

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Funny part is, he isnít on property yet. Only at ATP/CTP

Captain Slow
11-20-2018, 06:02 AM
Funny part is, he isnít on property yet. Only at ATP/CTP



Off to a running start then.

Oh well. Theyíll learn.


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FlyGood
11-20-2018, 06:45 AM
Solid mold infestation in my last room at the Super 8. Almost had to call of a trip the next week because I ended up being so congested. But yeah, sure, nobody ever gets put there for training (I spent 2 weeks there when I went through indoc) and then 2 plus weeks at the wonderful La Quinta by the dump in St Louis before they moved us because literally everybody started to get sick. Luckily, those are the only 2 hotels enough that Iíve ever felt strongly enough to complain about, and we stopped using that LQ in STL.

MrFriendly7
11-20-2018, 08:07 AM
Speak of the devil they got me in a Super 8 this coming week. At least its not a CO DOMICILE like Skywest. Always looking at the brighter side here lol

TheWeatherman
11-20-2018, 08:15 AM
Aviation is the only industry Iíve ever seen where people will attack other people for pointing out a super-8 is probably a sub-par place to put professionals that have spent half a decade and six figures or more in training.

Do you think google, Boeing, mainline, or any other reputable company puts their employees, even new hires, in a super eight for training?
See what I mean

UnderCenter
11-20-2018, 08:22 AM
Speak of the devil they got me in a Super 8 this coming week. At least its not a CO DOMICILE like Skywest. Always looking at the brighter side here lol

....the sweet poetic justice. LOL



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