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queue
03-21-2018, 09:51 AM
Well, I just found out about B6Direct.com (http://b6direct.com/) after reading...

New York Governor Cuomo Steps Into Union Campaign To Organize JetBlue Flight Attendants (https://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed/2018/03/21/new-york-governor-cuomo-steps-in-to-union-campaign-to-organize-jetblue-flight-attendants/#aff731452c90)

https://duckduckgo.com/i/667a178c.jpg

It's amazing how far BJ will go...
http://b6direct.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/VOTE-NO-COVER-IMAGE.jpg


At the bottom of the website "#KeepB6Direct, B6Direct.com & TWUExposed.com are created, funded, and managed by JetBlue Inflight Crewmembers in support of keeping the direct relationship. This website and/or posts are not affiliated, operated, or sponsored by Inflight Leadership or JetBlue. The views expressed are those of our own and not on behalf of JetBlue." --- Yeah right!
They appear to be aware of legalisms, which is rare for an enthusiast website "© 2018 B6Direct.com". I wonder what they would do if the FAs set up a "realB6Direct.com"? Who would sue the copyright infringer? I wonder if they have a shield company running the website.

I remember when United sued "Untied", which was a website set up to show all of United's problems. Now untied.com displays "For more than 20 years, Untied.com has provided air travelers with information about United Airlines, including how the airline treats its passengers and employees, resources to help maintain their rights, and a public database for posting and reading complaints about experiences with the airline. In 2012, United Airlines sued Dr. Jeremy Cooperstock ([email protected]), the maintainer of this website, in an effort to stop him from making these resources available. On June 23, 2017, a Canadian Federal Court judge found that an injunction was warranted against Dr. Cooperstockís activities.
While Cooperstock pursues his legal options, Untied.com will not be providing the resources described above. If youíd like to help, please consider donating to Untied.comís legal defence fund (http://untied.com/SLAPP/).
".


Meet the team ? B6 Direct (http://b6direct.com/meet-the-team/) So it appears they all have status in the company and therefore are getting special treatment.

This website was professionally made. The graphic art quality is top notch. I doubt any of the people on the "team" above have such skills. Also, they totally stripped all graphics of meta-data so you can't even tell what programs were used to edit the images. I do know it's a WordPress site hosted on GoDaddy and partially made with the plugin called WPBakery. None of this tells me anything except that whoever made this site has money, expertise (e.g. a contractor or BJ in house web designer & graphic artist), and legal due diligence.

In any case, I'm not surprised if BJ really is behind this website. What I am amazed is how a politician is supporting the FA union so forwardly. Maybe B6ALPA needs to use Governor Cuomo as a mouthpiece for getting people to understand why pilots are worth so much:



10+ yrs of training/education. Encyclopedia Britannica depth of knowledge over a lifetime.
Yearly testing.
Exposure to toxic chemicals.
Exposure to biological contagions.
Exposure to solar radiation.
Unhealthy non-circadian rhythm lifestyles.
Stressful commutes.

Commuting Is Bad for Your Body and Health | Time (http://time.com/9912/10-things-your-commute-does-to-your-body/)
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/urban-survival/201501/commuting-the-stress-doesnt-pay
And this is just for PowerPoint rangers who fly desks! Imagine how bad it is for 2-leg redeye commutes!


Time away from home and family.
Highly stressful job

https://www.cbsnews.com/media/9-most-stressful-american-jobs-in-2018/8/
Airline pilots are #3 but enlisted military is #1. What if the pilot is still in the reserves and is a military pilot and officer? So airline pilot is arguably floating between #1 and #3.


Very dangerous profession.

https://www.bankrate.com/finance/personal-finance/10-most-dangerous-jobs-us-1.aspx#slide=4
https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-10-most-dangerous-jobs.html
Looks like airline pilots have the #3 most deadly job (doesn't appear to include military)









This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.


Bozo the pilot
03-21-2018, 12:20 PM
Too late- B6 has been so rotten to inflight that itll pass 65%+.
Blewjet is going to have to deal with each pilot group unionizing- They deserve every headache that comes with it.
Direct relationship my a$$:rolleyes:

Bluedriver
03-21-2018, 02:09 PM
They certainly could have easily kept JB non-union if they had been what they say they are.


P-3Bubba
03-21-2018, 03:16 PM
Last PEA they could have matched Delta rates and there a guaranteed ďNOĒ Union vote. 2013 Delta wages are 2018 below market wages. BJ coukd have rammed another garbage PEA down our throats with airport reserve, positive check in and high speeds by now.

-Bubs

P-3Bubba
03-21-2018, 03:52 PM
Let’s talk about how the TWU got a powerful NY politician involved in a union vote. We’re 3 years into negotiations and ALPA is on the sidelines eating popcorn and sipping a beer. Seriously? ALPA stands to fill their overflowing coffers with more dough with this contract and they can’t bend an ear towards JB ELT about how its Time to get his done?

We’re doubly doomed.

-Bubs

pilotpayne
03-21-2018, 03:57 PM
Letís talk about how the TWU got a powerful NY politician involved in a union vote. Weíre 3 years into negotiations and ALPA is on the sidelines eating popcorn and sipping a beer. Seriously? ALPA stands to fill their overflowing coffers with more dough with this contract and they canít bend an ear towards JB ELT about how its Time to get his done?

Weíre doubly doomed.

-Bubs


A NY Democratic supporting a union, yeah he really stuck his neck out.

We are hardly doomed.

atrdriver
03-21-2018, 04:59 PM
A NY Democratic supporting a union, yeah he really stuck his neck out.

We are hardly doomed.

Where's Uncle Chuck??

Bluetruth
03-21-2018, 06:43 PM
Where's Uncle Chuck??

Here you go

https://twitter.com/SenSchumer/status/976534247824556032


Unions like @transportworker are key to growing the middle class. Good luck to workers at @JetBlue Ė a great company Ė as they vote on forming a union.

Bluetruth
03-21-2018, 06:49 PM
For those of you that were around, did Barger say and promise all the same things we are hearing now to get a No vote?

P-3Bubba
03-22-2018, 03:32 AM
For those of you that were around, did Barger say and promise all the same things we are hearing now to get a No vote?

Barter just has to put up so,e real money in the 2013 PEA and he would have received a NO vote. Todayís Contract is the same as 2013. They donít want to pay. So now they get a nasty pilot group. That doesnít mix well with the rainbow happy unicorn brand. So theyíll pay one way or another.


-Bubs

Bluetruth
03-22-2018, 04:37 AM
Barter just has to put up so,e real money in the 2013 PEA and he would have received a NO vote. Todayís Contract is the same as 2013. They donít want to pay. So now they get a nasty pilot group. That doesnít mix well with the rainbow happy unicorn brand. So theyíll pay one way or another.


-Bubs

Right, but what did they say the first time that got the Pilots to vote no?

P-3Bubba
03-22-2018, 06:24 AM
Right, but what did they say the first time that got the Pilots to vote no?

They used the DR model works! Then they implemented the 5 Docs. And changed the FOM and FSM at will. Then came up with up a crappy 2013 PEA. WELCOME ALPA!

And ALPA can suck it about now too. They need to use some lobby $$ and work for us. Iím not bashing the NC or MEC Iím bashing big fat overstuffed national alpa. Putting jblue pilots on the cover of theor magazine. Great. This is the same magazine that every January they brag about how many members they have. That to me is a multiplication equation where the product equals the $100,000,000+/yr they collect in annual dues. As a matter of fact Iíll have my 5th grader roll that problem tonight. Tim C can run those numbers in his gold plated bannister bed too.


-Bubs

Bluedriver
03-22-2018, 06:33 AM
They used the DR model works! Then they implemented the 5 Docs. And changed the FOM and FSM at will. Then came up with up a crappy 2013 PEA. WELCOME ALPA!

And ALPA can suck it about now too. They need to use some lobby $$ and work for us. Iím not bashing the NC or MEC Iím bashing big fat overstuffed national alpa. Putting jblue pilots on the cover of theor magazine. Great. This is the same magazine that every January they brag about how many members they have. That to me is a multiplication equation where the product equals the $100,000,000+/yr they collect in annual dues. As a matter of fact Iíll have my 5th grader roll that problem tonight. Tim C can run those numbers in his gold plated bannister bed too.


-Bubs

I think there are legal hurdles to using union money to lobby or contribute to campaigns for members in our districts. That's why Alpa has a separate PAC, it's more free to make political contributions.

Then you have our membership, which is largely opposed to contributing anything to Democrat candidates campaigns for political reasons. Of course our HQ and focus cities are all D representatives.

TWU has a different membership makeup, so their membership is more agreeable to D campaign contributions.

pilotpayne
03-22-2018, 06:55 AM
I think there are legal hurdles to using union money to lobby or contribute to campaigns for members in our districts. That's why Alpa has a separate PAC, it's more free to make political contributions.

Then you have our membership, which is largely opposed to contributing anything to Democrat candidates campaigns for political reasons. Of course our HQ and focus cities are all D representatives.

TWU has a different membership makeup, so their membership is more agreeable to D campaign contributions.


If their membership was even asked. But yes I would assume they lean dem.
Pilots are the oddball union.

P-3Bubba
03-22-2018, 07:20 AM
Who gives a $hit with political affiliations. This is a major union leaning on whoever they have to lean on to move the needle. TWU was started by hard hitting Irish NY Transit workers that knew how to move the needle. Iím starting a TWU card drive for Jb Pilots. Wake up ALPA!!!! Too many steak dinners and twice baked potatoes. Push! Push! Push! Show me where the 1.9% goes or Iím going to start helping out.

-Bubs

Bluedriver
03-22-2018, 07:27 AM
Who gives a $hit with political affiliations. This is a major union leaning on whoever they have to lean on to move the needle. TWU was started by hard hitting Irish NY Transit workers that knew how to move the needle. Iím starting a TWU card drive for Jb Pilots. Wake up ALPA!!!! Too many steak dinners and twice baked potatoes. Push! Push! Push! Show me where the 1.9% goes or Iím going to start helping out.

-Bubs

To answer your first question, most of our national membership.

P-3Bubba
03-22-2018, 10:24 AM
To answer your first question, most of our national membership.

The national membership should see there are 3,500 pilots without a contract. Then, they should demand that ALPA put some heat on the NY, FL and MA politicians who can make a call to the Labor Department or their buddies at JB ELT. Where are those pics of Robin with his feet up on Pocahontasís desk?

-Bubs

queue
03-22-2018, 12:24 PM
Who gives a $hit with political affiliations. This is a major union leaning on whoever they have to lean on to move the needle. TWU was started by hard hitting Irish NY Transit workers that knew how to move the needle. I’m starting a TWU card drive for Jb Pilots. Wake up ALPA!!!! Too many steak dinners and twice baked potatoes. Push! Push! Push! Show me where the 1.9% goes or I’m going to start helping out.

-Bubs

I like the idea of making ALPA compete. Their performance vs. cost vs. time is unacceptable since they have a monopoly. I’ve never been a fan our their inefficiencies such as high expense hotels, paying a fortune for I.T. hardware and software, questionable conferences, and of course staffing and printing the stupid magazine.

The Dept. Of Labor has a variety of reports that will infuriate you when you see what ALPA spends OUR money on...

National ALPA’s File number is 000-179.

You can use this link to find their expense reports (LM-n.... series of forms). https://olms.dol-esa.gov/query/getOrgQryResult.do

Look at the LM-2 for ALPA national.

I’m on ALPAs side but they need to count pennies. Fancy hotels, catering, magazines, and conferences need to go. I remember not too long ago, in the USAF, they cut all the conference budgets and forced everyone to use video conferencing or similar technologies. Instead of Office 365 subscriptions they should use LibreOffice and other open-source (free) software.

https://i.imgur.com/zgjjMEe.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/67sCXeT.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/OceXxLO.jpg


This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

Bluedriver
03-22-2018, 12:56 PM
The national membership should see there are 3,500 pilots without a contract. Then, they should demand that ALPA put some heat on the NY, FL and MA politicians who can make a call to the Labor Department or their buddies at JB ELT. Where are those pics of Robin with his feet up on Pocahontasís desk?

-Bubs

We can all have a nice talk about how things "should" be.

pilotpayne
03-22-2018, 01:06 PM
Who gives a $hit with political affiliations. This is a major union leaning on whoever they have to lean on to move the needle. TWU was started by hard hitting Irish NY Transit workers that knew how to move the needle. Iím starting a TWU card drive for Jb Pilots. Wake up ALPA!!!! Too many steak dinners and twice baked potatoes. Push! Push! Push! Show me where the 1.9% goes or Iím going to start helping out.

-Bubs


Yeah a TWU card drive SMFH

Do it.

SmitteyB
03-22-2018, 02:46 PM
I like the idea of making ALPA compete. Their performance vs. cost vs. time is unacceptable since they have a monopoly. I’ve never been a fan our their inefficiencies such as high expense hotels, paying a fortune for I.T. hardware and software, questionable conferences, and of course staffing and printing the stupid magazine.

The Dept. Of Labor has a variety of reports that will infuriate you when you see what ALPA spends OUR money on...

National ALPA’s File number is 000-179.

You can use this link to find their expense reports (LM-n.... series of forms). https://olms.dol-esa.gov/query/getOrgQryResult.do

Look at the LM-2 for ALPA national.

I’m on ALPAs side but they need to count pennies. Fancy hotels, catering, magazines, and conferences need to go. I remember not too long ago, in the USAF, they cut all the conference budgets and forced everyone to use video conferencing or similar technologies. Instead of Office 365 subscriptions they should use LibreOffice and other open-source (free) software.

https://i.imgur.com/zgjjMEe.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/67sCXeT.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/OceXxLO.jpg


This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

Are LEC/MECs included in these figures?

queue
03-22-2018, 11:21 PM
Are LEC/MECs included in these figures?

Not in that report. The screenshots are from National ALPA. It's about 100 pages long. I didn't even go for the juicy ones. I just went for random examples. Using the link I provided before, you can search for the individual LEC/MECs. These reports are required to be filed yearly so there's a 1 yr latency, like taxes.

Imagine how much money they could save by doing all meetings, conferences, and negotiations using video conferencing, shared computer screens, or even telephones! Voice comms were good enough for NASA to land astronauts on the moon, yet we're still paying $15,000 for a simple meeting for airline fare, food, hotels, etc. Even the military had to switch to remote computer-based meetings.

The reason I even mentioned this was because it shows money mismanagement at national ALPA. I haven't looked at 191. But, if they are wasting money on this stuff at a national level, that's stealing from Peter to Pay Paul. $5000 could have rented us a banner tow plane flying over Rockaway Beach on a sunny day with "http://jetBlueDoesBadThings.com". Now that they are calling people in to talk to the chief pilot (and other management) for unknown reasons, that $$$ could be used to have an ALPA lawyer in there with you since talking to anyone in management is a legal trap.

Heck, that $$$ could be used to by A LOT of banner tow drones!

http://robohub.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/DroneCast-1024x682.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Cb3sLDbpb40/maxresdefault.jpg

This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

rvr1800
03-23-2018, 04:08 AM
Queue what makes you think that ALPA legal isnít consulted in discipline issues? No theyíre probably not in the room for every carpet dance but they can be if itís necessary.

pilotpayne
03-23-2018, 08:20 AM
Queue what makes you think that ALPA legal isnít consulted in discipline issues? No theyíre probably not in the room for every carpet dance but they can be if itís necessary.

There is always a rep (you should never meet without one)and if it gets that far thatís what ALPA legal is for.

I think que is mixing facts, charts and innuendo, so it seems like he knows what he is talking about.

queue
03-23-2018, 11:24 AM
Queue what makes you think that ALPA legal isnít consulted in discipline issues? No theyíre probably not in the room for every carpet dance but they can be if itís necessary.

You know I can't say things here. But let me ask you this... why are people being forced coercively to sign Non Disclosure Agreements? It's not like they can have a talk without agreeing to an NDA.

I never see people being fired or suspended for insubordination for not signing NDAs.


This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

queue
03-23-2018, 11:25 AM
There is always a rep (you should never meet without one)and if it gets that far thatís what ALPA legal is for.

I think que is mixing facts, charts and innuendo, so it seems like he knows what he is talking about.


And what is the utility of having a rep vs. my mom? What services and guarantees do they offer?


This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

rvr1800
03-23-2018, 11:38 AM
And what is the utility of having a rep vs. my mom? What services and guarantees do they offer?


This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

There will be a rep who knows exactly what to say and when because of their experience in these matters. And if they donít they have ALPA legal to consult with.

coopervane
03-23-2018, 11:45 AM
You know I can't say things here. But let me ask you this... why are people being forced coercively to sign Non Disclosure Agreements? It's not like they can have a talk without agreeing to an NDA.

I never see people being fired or suspended for insubordination for not signing NDAs.


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Exactly who and when and why has someone been forced to do this?

Is this supposedly common knowledge?

queue
03-23-2018, 11:51 AM
Exactly who and when and why has someone been forced to do this?

Is this supposedly common knowledge?


You can research things for yourself. This forum is for entertainment purposes.




This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

queue
03-23-2018, 11:53 AM
There will be a rep who knows exactly what to say and when because of their experience in these matters. And if they donít they have ALPA legal to consult with.

And what exactly does the ALPA rep brief the employee to say or not say? You can PM me if you don't want to put it here.



This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

BlueJetDork
03-23-2018, 12:06 PM
Not in that report. The screenshots are from National ALPA.
You are lying or boldly ignorant.

For instance JBU MEC meeting in Laguna Beach is listed. It was also a swinging deal for Jetblue Pilot dues as the hotel is empty during the winter. Same with spot this past month in Huntington Beach.

These meetings are for Jetblue pilots and staffed attended by Jetblue pilots. Not ALPA national on a vacation or whatever is your pee brain mind.

Anyone who attends is checked against the non member list which is not possible via video chat. For instance, at Me and Ed pizza in Lakewood, CA a few months ago a member brought two non members and they were asked to leave. Never got in the door. If he was at home then the non members could attend.

Oh crap Jetblue pilots bought Jetblue pilots pizzas and Coke and Sprite but the Lemonade was never touched.

Oh the mismanagement!

Next brilliant idea please!

BlueJetDork
03-23-2018, 12:07 PM
And what exactly does the ALPA rep brief the employee to say or not say? You can PM me if you don't want to put it here.



This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

Call Grievance Chair and find out.

Do you need someone to dial the telephone for you too?

His number is posted on the the B6ALPA site and he will return your call.

queue
03-23-2018, 12:43 PM
You are lying or boldly ignorant.

For instance JBU MEC meeting in Laguna Beach is listed. It was also a swinging deal for Jetblue Pilot dues as the hotel is empty during the winter. Same with spot this past month in Huntington Beach.

These meetings are for Jetblue pilots and staffed attended by Jetblue pilots. Not ALPA national on a vacation or whatever is your pee brain mind.

Anyone who attends is checked against the non member list which is not possible via video chat. For instance, at Me and Ed pizza in Lakewood, CA a few months ago a member brought two non members and they were asked to leave. Never got in the door. If he was at home then the non members could attend.

Oh crap Jetblue pilots bought Jetblue pilots pizzas and Coke and Sprite but the Lemonade was never touched.

Oh the mismanagement!

Next brilliant idea please!


Please continue with the excuses.

For the record, I never said they were ALPA people on vacation. I question them spending money on events that, in other corporations, don't require travel. Every time they go somewhere, it costs a lot of money. This is totally unnecessary. Shall I start on the costs of ALPA magazine? That's in there too. Why print it and pay for mailing? Just email it. And while you're at it, stop wasting money on professional graphic artists.

As for verifying membership, there are literally millions of alternative means of positively verifying attendance. You just don't have the requisite technological knowledge to know that. Funny how my old employer had little tags that generated certain numbers that could verify our authenticity 20 years ago. It's a simple mathematical technique.

Before you accuse me of lying, why don't you go on the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT website and look at all the union activities for yourself? I took those screenshots from the National ALPA report (Form LM-2). Don't believe me, go look for yourself. Are you saying they were misfiled to the government?

I provided you links.

ALPA is wasting inordinate amounts of money because it's easier for them. 1.9%+ is too much, particularly for the results BJ pilots are not getting.




This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

BlueJetDork
03-23-2018, 05:40 PM
Please continue with the excuses.

Lets start with your "facts".

You said the LEC expenses are not in the report.

They are.

Agreed!

Our NC was in ALPA HQ in 2016 working on our contract.

You are saying the Jetblue pilot group should not be covering the cost of their lunch?

Is that your b!tch?

Oh no its that we don't have a contract yet.

But that is ALPA fault because they send a magazine in the digital era and not the 1163 that voted NO in the first election.

BlueJetDork
03-24-2018, 07:47 AM
If only we changed the name of ALPA to JBPA and dues were 1% and Jetblue pilots did not cover the expenses when Jetblue pilots travel to union meeting and instead those meeting where held by video conferencing management would change.

Or is it that since management will not change then we need to spend less on representation and go back to the "free representation" that cost us everything but saved us 1.9%?

CaptCoolHand
03-24-2018, 08:16 AM
JBALPA is well below budget. Thatís a fact. Well below.

atrdriver
03-24-2018, 08:38 AM
How did a thread on management's anti-union website turn into an anti-union thread? :rolleyes:

rvr1800
03-24-2018, 11:46 AM
How did a thread on management's anti-union website turn into an anti-union thread? :rolleyes:

Because queue. Heís a new member here and frankly Iím pretty suspicious of who this is. He seems to be anti-jetBlue management and anti-jetBlue ALPA. He seems to be here simply to sew the seeds of dissent. Iíll be doing my best to ignore his posts from now on.

Bluedriver
03-24-2018, 11:52 AM
I am also concerned queue is a F&H management plant.

Either way, our UNION is NOT the problem here. They may not be perfect, but I will take them over the guys who stole my 2017 profit sharing and who continue to stall, spin and delay 4k per *month* from my paycheck/retirement.

BlueJetDork
03-24-2018, 08:51 PM
Jetblue management would never be held to account under the DR no matter how many meals and hotel rooms are not expensed.

queue
03-24-2018, 09:46 PM
JBALPA is well below budget. Thatís a fact. Well below.

I am aware of that.

This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

queue
03-24-2018, 09:49 PM
Because queue. Heís a new member here and frankly Iím pretty suspicious of who this is. He seems to be anti-jetBlue management and anti-jetBlue ALPA. He seems to be here simply to sew the seeds of dissent. Iíll be doing my best to ignore his posts from now on.

I'm anti-JB management and ALPA poor performance. I hope you sheep and apologists start dissenting against both establishments. Why is ALPA making 1st year FO's pay 1.9%+? 1.9% is A LOT of money at 1st or even 2nd year pay rates.


This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

BeatNavy
03-24-2018, 09:57 PM
I'm anti-JB management and ALPA poor performance. I hope you sheep and apologists start dissenting against both establishments. Why is ALPA making 1st year FO's pay 1.9%+? 1.9% is A LOT of money at 1st or even 2nd year pay rates.


This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.


<$1k dues for first year peeps. Next.

queue
03-24-2018, 10:06 PM
I am also concerned queue is a F&H management plant.

Either way, our UNION is NOT the problem here. They may not be perfect, but I will take them over the guys who stole my 2017 profit sharing and who continue to stall, spin and delay 4k per *month* from my paycheck/retirement.

You are free to think what you want, obviously. My allegiance is to making this industry respected and well paid. My second allegiance is to anyone or any organization that accomplishes that end. Currently, ALPA is the establishment means to that end. However, it doesn't mean that I am happy with the overall performance of ALPA with respect to JB and other airlines. The RLA came out between 1926 and 1936, yet ALPA has not managed to politically reform it to be more friendly towards the employee. RLA is merely controlled opposition that companies exploit to our detriment. We need a coordinated effort to reform the RLA to make it employee friendly, so that we can get contracts in 30 days (a reasonable timeframe) instead of 5 years, which is pathetic by any measure. Of course most pilots don't know much about the rest of the world so they are happy with 5+ year labor disputes, which is in itself a problem.

While I do agree with ALPA as a whole, I am concerned with improving its performance. Yes, JB stole your profit sharing and your industry average wages for over a decade. There's no debate about that. To me, they are the most unethical and immoral people I've ever met. But, I won't accept this false choice between accepting ALPA as it is because they are better than the opposition. ALPA needs significant improvement. Read through those LM-2 reports and see for yourself if there aren't ways to save money. Every penny counts. I'd rather pay 1.0%, then take votes to pay higher rates TEMPORARILY when it is needed for more signs, more lawyers, more lawsuits, etc., but not the current permanent basis they use now. If ALPA had a solid case to use the legal system to get results tomorrow, I'd be happy to temporarily increase my ALPA payment to 3-5% if we all voted (e.g. 65%+) that it is a good course of action to take.


This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

queue
03-24-2018, 10:10 PM
How did a thread on management's anti-union website turn into an anti-union thread? :rolleyes:

It's not anti-union. It's pro-union. It's about fixing and improving systemic deficiencies. It's about getting your money's worth. How is that a bad thing?

It's been how long and we still don't have an industry leading contract?


This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

CaptCoolHand
03-25-2018, 02:43 AM
Iím all for multi tasking... but man youíre a mess. Narrow the beam. Focus just a little. Pick 2 or three.

Like

Be safe
Fly sop
Wear your lanyards

And hey please make sure you fill out the survey.

I think you and hyperboy might switch names! Heís more of an enigma and you seem to just spaz about.

BlueJetDork
03-26-2018, 07:22 AM
... ALPA needs significant improvement. Read through those LM-2 reports and see for yourself if there aren't ways to save money. Every penny counts...

You are flamer baiter. A drive by poster.

You offer up a document and then provide zero context and then flame that expenses are outrageous.

You are acting like a chick!!

What is your solution?

For instance, our NC has been in HQ for years. Should they pack their own lunches. Remember none of then live in VA. Should they camp at the KOA and then skate board to HQ or is the talking the bus allowed in your world?

What about the national convention. Should that be cancelled and all MECs video conference? Is that how unity and best practices are shared in your world?

You are joke. You only offer ... "look ALPA spent $68K on catering and I wanna pay less" (sniff).

From what I have seen JBUALPA is run overly efficient. Stupid efficient. For instance, when traveling to and from meetings the representatives are expected to jump seat. Personally, I think that BS. They should have full fare tickets provided to them by Jetblue pilots. Some reps had to sit in a 737 jumpseat from DCA to LAX last year and that is total BS.

I guess you think that is cool and you are smiling while muttering make those SOBs buy their own seat if they don't want to get injured.

Greedy SOBs.

Maybe you are the greedy SOB!

queue
03-26-2018, 09:39 AM
You are flamer baiter. A drive by poster.
You offer up a document and then provide zero context and then flame that expenses are outrageous.
You are acting like a chick!!
What is your solution?
For instance, our NC has been in HQ for years. Should they pack their own lunches. Remember none of then live in VA. Should they camp at the KOA and then skate board to HQ or is the talking the bus allowed in your world?
What about the national convention. Should that be cancelled and all MECs video conference? Is that how unity and best practices are shared in your world?
You are joke. You only offer ... "look ALPA spent $68K on catering and I wanna pay less" (sniff).
From what I have seen JBUALPA is run overly efficient. Stupid efficient. For instance, when traveling to and from meetings the representatives are expected to jump seat. Personally, I think that BS. They should have full fare tickets provided to them by Jetblue pilots. Some reps had to sit in a 737 jumpseat from DCA to LAX last year and that is total BS.
I guess you think that is cool and you are smiling while muttering make those SOBs buy their own seat if they don't want to get injured.
Greedy SOBs.
Maybe you are the greedy SOB!

What context do you need? I assume you can read. There are reports there which encompass national ALPA (which is where those screenshots are from) then there are more detailed results which show the expenses at individual airlines. Do I need to go through and find every single juicy expense and post them for you?

ONE of my solutions is to prohibit all mass travel unless it's absolutely necessary for legal reasons. I have already mentioned to you several times that this is standard practice at many large corporations, of which I have personally been party to prior to my aviation career and currently. What are the requirements of your face to face meetings? Security? Sharing documents? Interacting with voice? You would be surprised how obsolete face to face meetings are. When you go travel for a meeting, how much of it is done in actual effect of the bottom line? If you meet for 8 hrs per day, and there are 24 hours in a day, then you spend 33% of the day doing business and 66% of the day not doing my (paid for) business. And, what is the overhead cost of keeping you doing ALPA business for 33% of the day?

ALPA is conducting itself like a dinosaur. It's bloated, inefficient, not-innovative, and struggles just to keep up with basic technology. You probably don't see this based on your limited knowledge. Surely if the MILITARY can use technology to cut costs, so can ALPA.

You can try to turn this into an emotional debate/trap by victimizing JBALPA but it doesn't change anything I've said.

You can call me greedy all day long but I do not exist to be a funding source for ALPA. ALPA owes me results, or I will get rid of you. The equation would be different if ALPA was a charity but ALPA requires dues through force of contract. I am not impressed with the limited experience, limited skills, and limited thinking of the ALPA establishment. I want ALPA to be a crack team of commandos that run like an elite military unit to deliver results.



This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

queue
03-26-2018, 09:43 AM
Iím all for multi tasking... but man youíre a mess. Narrow the beam. Focus just a little. Pick 2 or three.

Like

Be safe
Fly sop
Wear your lanyards

And hey please make sure you fill out the survey.

I think you and hyperboy might switch names! Heís more of an enigma and you seem to just spaz about.


Check.
Check.
Check.
and Check.

I simply want to see ALPA be SIGNIFICANTLY more effective than it currently is. This process begins with problem identification, followed by options brainstorming, followed by execution, and closing the loop with iterating feedback. It's a non-stop process of continuous improvement.


This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

AYLflyer
03-26-2018, 09:54 AM
Why is ALPA making 1st year FO's pay 1.9%+? 1.9% is A LOT of money at 1st or even 2nd year pay rates..


Because in our situation, year 1 pilots are not on prohibition and are full protected card carrying members of ALPA who are able to vote. Other airlines who already have a contract don't operate that way. If you're gonna have a vote, you're going to pay.

The ONLY thing I don't like about the 1.9% is the way they calculate the cost of it. IMO it should be 1.9% of your base pay and that's it.

So...1.9% of Hourly rate X 70hrs (or 75 on reserve) X 12 months. I don't like that if you start working tons of OT or over your guarantee that you are charged more. Other than that, as someone who came from 2 non-union shops prior to JB, I'm very happy to have representation and someone looking out for it's pilots.

BeatNavy
03-26-2018, 12:36 PM
Because in our situation, year 1 pilots are not on prohibition and are full protected card carrying members of ALPA who are able to vote. Other airlines who already have a contract don't operate that way. If you're gonna have a vote, you're going to pay.


Prohibition...is that like a no drinking clause for those on probation?

pilotpayne
03-27-2018, 05:22 AM
Because queue. Heís a new member here and frankly Iím pretty suspicious of who this is. He seems to be anti-jetBlue management and anti-jetBlue ALPA. He seems to be here simply to sew the seeds of dissent. Iíll be doing my best to ignore his posts from now on.

I think that is a very good idea.

PasserOGas
03-27-2018, 09:52 AM
So we can't criticize ALPA? I guess I missed that memo, especially since on the other airlines boards they are talking about how membership has grown and yet dues have stayed the same when they should be dropping.

terminal
04-01-2018, 07:05 AM
So we can't criticize ALPA? I guess I missed that memo, especially since on the other airlines boards they are talking about how membership has grown and yet dues have stayed the same when they should be dropping.

I look at it differently. More members means more potential grievances, more grievances means more people required to go through them. More members means more personnel needed in the ALPA aeromedical offices to help with your medical if you lose it. More members means more payroll issues, requiring more staff to handle that. Not to mention, when times are good (like they are now) you need to build your warchest for when times are bad

I mean I understand you donít have a contract yet, but blame your management that is flush with cash, not your union In the end, when you get what you deserve, that 1.9% of dues will be worth it.
Although, there will be plenty of cheap pilots who would complain even if dues were 50Ę a month.

And queue....
If you have a problem with your union, write them, go to a meeting or run for rep. Youíre only doing harm to negotiations and your union by posting this on a public sight.

django
04-07-2018, 03:41 AM
The Q is a very intelligent man but uses mainly empirical rather than a holistic approach to processing his views. But heck, we are the product of our environment. Reminds of the ancients who believed our planet was the center of universe.

LoudFastRules
04-07-2018, 10:20 AM
The laws which required unions to fill out forms such as LM-2 are anti-union laws. Of course a huge national union has a huge budget. And, you know what - ALPA likes the volunteers to be well fed. They aren't paid, but they showed up to fight for their pilot groups, so at least they can be fed.

Form LM-2 exists strictly so anti-union trolls can use it to attack unions: "Look, they're spending your money! Bad! Bad! Bad!". Meanwhile, do you really think the company and their lawyers are eating at McDondalds? I assure you, they are spending at least as much, if not more, on food, drink, and lodging than the union is.

One of my favorite stories from my previous airline's bankruptcy court case involves the union guys going out to a very nice dinner after kicking the company's butt in court. As they are settling in, they see the company team sitting at another table. They just look at them and grin. That's how the game is played.

I would be ****ed off at, and ashamed of, my union if they weren't playing the game at the company's level, while dedicating their free time to fighting for me and my fellow pilots. That is exactly what my union dues ARE for.

This is war, and war cost a lot of money.

Anyone who uses form LM-2 to attack a union is someone who's job is to attack unions.

Don't trust them.

queue
04-07-2018, 10:55 AM
The laws which required unions to fill out forms such as LM-2 are anti-union laws. Of course a huge national union has a huge budget. And, you know what - ALPA likes the volunteers to be well fed. They aren't paid, but they showed up to fight for their pilot groups, so at least they can be fed.

Form LM-2 exists strictly so anti-union trolls can use it to attack unions: "Look, they're spending your money! Bad! Bad! Bad!". Meanwhile, do you really think the company and their lawyers are eating at McDondalds? I assure you, they are spending at least as much, if not more, on food, drink, and lodging than the union is.

One of my favorite stories from my previous airline's bankruptcy court case involves the union guys going out to a very nice dinner after kicking the company's butt in court. As they are settling in, they see the company team sitting at another table. They just look at them and grin. That's how the game is played.

I would be ****ed off at, and ashamed of, my union if they weren't playing the game at the company's level, while dedicating their free time to fighting for me and my fellow pilots. That is exactly what my union dues ARE for.

This is war, and war cost a lot of money.

Anyone who uses form LM-2 to attack a union is someone who's job is to attack unions.

Don't trust them.


You shouldn't trust me. Nor should I trust you. Everything I say does not require trust. Instead if relies on transparency.

My problem is two fold. 1) BJ. 2) the union as we know it. Since every other post I have aims to improve our situation with BJ, I'll limit this one to ALPA. My problem with ALPA is that they are not effective. They have a huge budget but very limited results. I'm not saying they don't deliver results, I'm saying they are **** poor results for the amount of money we pay. A lot of has to do because most ALPA national people are not very high performance people. They have very limited skillsets and knowledge. Let's just say I'm in the inner circle. What I want are killers. I want people who are super-smart in those positions and who have actual guts. We need warriors but we have whimps. Why haven't you guys changed the RLA to limit negotiations to a reasonable 30 days before being released to strike? Why haven't you gotten the RLA amended to allow you to see ALL the company's financial records, sit in on leadership meetings and have a stake at the decision making table, or to disallow company sponsored anti-union payrolls and budgets? There are unions that do a lot better with less. Look at teachers unions. They are professional victims. When they all cry, they get what they want. What has ALPA gotten us in terms of public sympathy? Nothing. Sure, it's better with ALPA than without it, but what a horrible standard! I'm not going to settle for the mediocrity of ALPA as we know it.

There is nothing wrong with a law requiring LM-2s. That is transparency. What I don't want is to trade one unaccountable bureaucracy (e.g. a corporation) for another unaccountable bureaucracy. ALPA already has some very draconian policies. How much power does the MEC Chairman have? Can anyone in ALPA speak unilaterally for everyone else whether they dissent or not? Oh yes, and auto-pay.. you are signing your financial life away. Read the terms of agreement. Only a fool would sign under those conditions.

My objective is to change the industry for the betterment of the pilot group. If this means critiquing ALPA, like every dues paying member should, then so be it. We have to get our own house clean of mediocre people first. When I get my way, ALPA will truly be a force to be reckoned with that immoral executives will fear.

For the record, I'm not on BJ's anti-union payroll, their law firm, or anyone's who aims to keep pilot pay and QOL at all time lows.

So please, spare me your establishment ALPA excuses. You will soon be obsolete.


This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

rvr1800
04-08-2018, 05:22 AM
Our MEC, LEC, and Negotiators have given up a ton of their free time and QOL to help out this group. If they want to go blow off some steam with a nice steak dinner and plenty of booze Iíve got no problem at all with that. In fact I really hope they do. We donít want these guys getting tired of this and quit. I sure as heck donít want to do their job.

Bluedriver
04-08-2018, 05:26 AM
Our MEC, LEC, and Negotiators have given up a ton of their free time and QOL to help out this group. If they want to go blow off some steam with a nice steak dinner and plenty of booze Iíve got no problem at all with that. In fact I really hope they do. We donít want these guys getting tired of this and quit. I sure as heck donít want to do their job.

Um, yep. Our union is not the enemy.

todd1200
04-08-2018, 05:57 AM
Amending the RLA to make striking easier is antithetical to its explicit purpose of keeping the nationís transportation system moving by preventing strikes.

CaptCoolHand
04-08-2018, 06:15 AM
Amending the RLA to make striking easier is antithetical to its explicit purpose of keeping the nationís transportation system moving by preventing strikes.

Your reasoning is kind of outdated.

TheTruth1
04-11-2018, 07:29 PM
Well, I just found out about B6Direct.com (http://b6direct.com/) after reading...

New York Governor Cuomo Steps Into Union Campaign To Organize JetBlue Flight Attendants (https://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed/2018/03/21/new-york-governor-cuomo-steps-in-to-union-campaign-to-organize-jetblue-flight-attendants/#aff731452c90)

https://duckduckgo.com/i/667a178c.jpg

It's amazing how far BJ will go...
http://b6direct.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/VOTE-NO-COVER-IMAGE.jpg


At the bottom of the website "#KeepB6Direct, B6Direct.com & TWUExposed.com are created, funded, and managed by JetBlue Inflight Crewmembers in support of keeping the direct relationship. This website and/or posts are not affiliated, operated, or sponsored by Inflight Leadership or JetBlue. The views expressed are those of our own and not on behalf of JetBlue." --- Yeah right!
They appear to be aware of legalisms, which is rare for an enthusiast website "© 2018 B6Direct.com". I wonder what they would do if the FAs set up a "realB6Direct.com"? Who would sue the copyright infringer? I wonder if they have a shield company running the website.

I remember when United sued "Untied", which was a website set up to show all of United's problems. Now untied.com displays "For more than 20 years, Untied.com has provided air travelers with information about United Airlines, including how the airline treats its passengers and employees, resources to help maintain their rights, and a public database for posting and reading complaints about experiences with the airline. In 2012, United Airlines sued Dr. Jeremy Cooperstock ([email protected]), the maintainer of this website, in an effort to stop him from making these resources available. On June 23, 2017, a Canadian Federal Court judge found that an injunction was warranted against Dr. Cooperstockís activities.
While Cooperstock pursues his legal options, Untied.com will not be providing the resources described above. If youíd like to help, please consider donating to Untied.comís legal defence fund (http://untied.com/SLAPP/).
".


Meet the team ? B6 Direct (http://b6direct.com/meet-the-team/) So it appears they all have status in the company and therefore are getting special treatment.

This website was professionally made. The graphic art quality is top notch. I doubt any of the people on the "team" above have such skills. Also, they totally stripped all graphics of meta-data so you can't even tell what programs were used to edit the images. I do know it's a WordPress site hosted on GoDaddy and partially made with the plugin called WPBakery. None of this tells me anything except that whoever made this site has money, expertise (e.g. a contractor or BJ in house web designer & graphic artist), and legal due diligence.

In any case, I'm not surprised if BJ really is behind this website. What I am amazed is how a politician is supporting the FA union so forwardly. Maybe B6ALPA needs to use Governor Cuomo as a mouthpiece for getting people to understand why pilots are worth so much:



10+ yrs of training/education. Encyclopedia Britannica depth of knowledge over a lifetime.
Yearly testing.
Exposure to toxic chemicals.
Exposure to biological contagions.
Exposure to solar radiation.
Unhealthy non-circadian rhythm lifestyles.
Stressful commutes.

Commuting Is Bad for Your Body and Health | Time (http://time.com/9912/10-things-your-commute-does-to-your-body/)
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/urban-survival/201501/commuting-the-stress-doesnt-pay
And this is just for PowerPoint rangers who fly desks! Imagine how bad it is for 2-leg redeye commutes!


Time away from home and family.
Highly stressful job

https://www.cbsnews.com/media/9-most-stressful-american-jobs-in-2018/8/
Airline pilots are #3 but enlisted military is #1. What if the pilot is still in the reserves and is a military pilot and officer? So airline pilot is arguably floating between #1 and #3.


Very dangerous profession.

https://www.bankrate.com/finance/personal-finance/10-most-dangerous-jobs-us-1.aspx#slide=4
https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-10-most-dangerous-jobs.html
Looks like airline pilots have the #3 most deadly job (doesn't appear to include military)









This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

Long time lurker; new poster. With all due respect, queue, you should not underestimate the cognitive ability or savvy attributes of some front line crews in this industry, or any for that matter. Not all are simply 'clock punchers' who are uneducated and working just for a paycheck. Some are nurses, retired teachers, business students, MBAs, entrepreneurs, retired C-Suite execs who just want something to do, etc., etc., etc. I myself am one of these. And I am not a FA. I am CSR. Educated at the MA level. Business owner. But enough about my qual set. The fact is that just because a site is beautifully and professionally designed and well thought-out from a legality standpoint does not automatically make it from the company. Of the 5,000+ FAs at "BJ" as you say, not every single one is pro-union. Hard to believe, but some are in favor of the direct relationship. It is quite possible that some of them decided to group together and launch a site. Maybe some are professional web designers/graphic artists on the side. Maybe some have legal backgrounds. Maybe some have lawyer friends. Life is funny; don't make such assumptions. Don't be ignorant. You want to see a site directly from the "BJ"? keepourculture.com :)

hilltopflyer
04-12-2018, 12:29 PM
Long time lurker; new poster. With all due respect, queue, you should not underestimate the cognitive ability or savvy attributes of some front line crews in this industry, or any for that matter. Not all are simply 'clock punchers' who are uneducated and working just for a paycheck. Some are nurses, retired teachers, business students, MBAs, entrepreneurs, retired C-Suite execs who just want something to do, etc., etc., etc. I myself am one of these. And I am not a FA. I am CSR. Educated at the MA level. Business owner. But enough about my qual set. The fact is that just because a site is beautifully and professionally designed and well thought-out from a legality standpoint does not automatically make it from the company. Of the 5,000+ FAs at "BJ" as you say, not every single one is pro-union. Hard to believe, but some are in favor of the direct relationship. It is quite possible that some of them decided to group together and launch a site. Maybe some are professional web designers/graphic artists on the side. Maybe some have legal backgrounds. Maybe some have lawyer friends. Life is funny; don't make such assumptions. Don't be ignorant. You want to see a site directly from the "BJ"? keepourculture.com :)

Wow try any harder to be a management troll?

queue
04-12-2018, 12:59 PM
Long time lurker; new poster. With all due respect, queue, you should not underestimate the cognitive ability or savvy attributes of some front line crews in this industry, or any for that matter. Not all are simply 'clock punchers' who are uneducated and working just for a paycheck. Some are nurses, retired teachers, business students, MBAs, entrepreneurs, retired C-Suite execs who just want something to do, etc., etc., etc. I myself am one of these. And I am not a FA. I am CSR. Educated at the MA level. Business owner. But enough about my qual set.

What makes you think that I am? I've hardly said enough for you to draw any meaningful conclusions about what I think. For the record, while I honor college degrees immensely, I do not discriminate by them if an individual has a track record of accomplished achievement. Formal "education" usually fails society's most defining personalities.


The fact is that just because a site is beautifully and professionally designed and well thought-out from a legality standpoint does not automatically make it from the company. Of the 5,000+ FAs at "BJ" as you say, not every single one is pro-union. Hard to believe, but some are in favor of the direct relationship. It is quite possible that some of them decided to group together and launch a site. Maybe some are professional web designers/graphic artists on the side. Maybe some have legal backgrounds. Maybe some have lawyer friends. Life is funny; don't make such assumptions. Don't be ignorant. You want to see a site directly from the "BJ"? keepourculture.com :)

I did proclaim "I'm not surprised if BJ really is behind this website."

Of course there are individuals who are not pro-union. In a roundabout way, I am not also. However, you cannot make the claim that the majority of front-line people are happy working at BJ nor are they adequately compensated in terms of quality of life and pay. These are simply inconvenient facts to what b6direct.com claims. If I'm wrong, then what is your explanation of having one union and a second one impending? Wasn't this a function of free-will from frontline employees? How do you explain this phenomena?

It's entirely possible the site is run by just crewmembers. However, it's more likely that it's part of BJ's playbook, which has the M.O. of the consulting firm they hired (the "union buster"). I hope it's not a shock to you that people have opinions. But, I will also offer that the majority of the individuals on the Contact Us page have been there for quite some time and they undoubtedly have top-cover. Believe what you want, but the majority of these individuals are not the typical front line workers.

Contact us ? B6 Direct (http://b6direct.com/contact-us/)

Here is what the real front line workers think about BJ.

https://www.comparably.com/companies/jetblue-airways (https://www.comparably.com/companies/jetblue-airways?utm_source=comparably&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=companyculture)

If you honestly want to keep a "direct relationship", and you probably believe in your cause, then you have to be accountable to the opinions of everyone else. I would really like you to answer the mail on the vast majority of unfavorable comments from real frontline workers giving real opinions. I think the "direct relationship" approved phrase is an indefensible position. I would really like to know how you could logically support the "direct relationship". How is BJ going to be the world's only exception to the rule, particularly since they already abused the direct relationship arrangement for years to the point where the majority of employees now have a historical and logical reason to oppose it.

https://i.imgur.com/4KVKOIX.jpg



This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

aldonite7667
04-12-2018, 05:19 PM
Long time lurker; new poster. With all due respect, queue, you should not underestimate the cognitive ability or savvy attributes of some front line crews in this industry, or any for that matter. Not all are simply 'clock punchers' who are uneducated and working just for a paycheck. Some are nurses, retired teachers, business students, MBAs, entrepreneurs, retired C-Suite execs who just want something to do, etc., etc., etc. I myself am one of these. And I am not a FA. I am CSR. Educated at the MA level. Business owner. But enough about my qual set. The fact is that just because a site is beautifully and professionally designed and well thought-out from a legality standpoint does not automatically make it from the company. Of the 5,000+ FAs at "BJ" as you say, not every single one is pro-union. Hard to believe, but some are in favor of the direct relationship. It is quite possible that some of them decided to group together and launch a site. Maybe some are professional web designers/graphic artists on the side. Maybe some have legal backgrounds. Maybe some have lawyer friends. Life is funny; don't make such assumptions. Don't be ignorant. You want to see a site directly from the "BJ"? keepourculture.com :)

Clowniest clown in the clown show.

Air Stang 7
04-12-2018, 05:45 PM
Clowniest clown in the clown show.
Is it the clown show or Blue Man Group?

Bozo the pilot
04-12-2018, 06:08 PM
Long time lurker; new poster. With all due respect, queue, you should not underestimate the cognitive ability or savvy attributes of some front line crews in this industry, or any for that matter. Not all are simply 'clock punchers' who are uneducated and working just for a paycheck. Some are nurses, retired teachers, business students, MBAs, entrepreneurs, retired C-Suite execs who just want something to do, etc., etc., etc. I myself am one of these. And I am not a FA. I am CSR. Educated at the MA level. Business owner. But enough about my qual set. The fact is that just because a site is beautifully and professionally designed and well thought-out from a legality standpoint does not automatically make it from the company. Of the 5,000+ FAs at "BJ" as you say, not every single one is pro-union. Hard to believe, but some are in favor of the direct relationship. It is quite possible that some of them decided to group together and launch a site. Maybe some are professional web designers/graphic artists on the side. Maybe some have legal backgrounds. Maybe some have lawyer friends. Life is funny; don't make such assumptions. Don't be ignorant. You want to see a site directly from the "BJ"? keepourculture.com :)

Which position in B6 management do you currently hold? Not foolin anyone.:rolleyes:

aldonite7667
04-12-2018, 07:06 PM
Is it the clown show or Blue Man Group?

More like supervisor trying to get to director or VP. I hope that little mouse keeps swimming! His cream will turn to butter soon.

RiddleEagle18
04-17-2018, 11:01 AM
Immediately had the results with nice crazy graphics.

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