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abner5
03-22-2018, 02:43 PM
Hello all, looking for information on what the minimums are for guys getting hired on at JetBlue these days. And how the hiring is looking there as well. Any info would be appreciated. 2600TT, 360 Turbine PIC.


Bluedriver
03-22-2018, 03:59 PM
Yeah, but do you have cleaning experience? Ever been a professional aircraft cabin janitor?

If not, you're not qualified.

BeatNavy
03-22-2018, 04:06 PM
Yeah, but do you have cleaning experience? Ever been a professional aircraft cabin janitor?

If not, you're not qualified.

Looks like he has corporate flying experience. So heís probably trained and qualified to blue glove standard.


capt707
03-22-2018, 04:19 PM
Live in or near a Jetblue base and you will already have a leg up and don't mind being compensated 35% less than every other major airline because we have culture and other cool buzzwords :rolleyes:

cf105
03-24-2018, 04:33 PM
depends on your gender. human females have received CJO's at 1900TT, 2300TT, or as soon as they reach 1,000 Part 121 but for human males, you usually get looked at around 3,700-4,000 TT.

hilltopflyer
03-24-2018, 05:55 PM
depends on your gender. human females have received CJO's at 1900TT, 2300TT, or as soon as they reach 1,000 Part 121 but for human males, you usually get looked at around 3,700-4,000 TT.

That's going to go over well with today's SJW's.

TravisJohn
03-24-2018, 07:58 PM
Crazy. Iíve been trying to get on with Jetblue for 2 years and havent heard a word. 3,000+TT, 1400+ 121, ERJ170/190 typed and nothing

BeatNavy
03-24-2018, 08:24 PM
Crazy. Iíve been trying to get on with Jetblue for 2 years and havent heard a word. 3,000+TT, 1400+ 121, ERJ170/190 typed and nothing

Itís ok. Go to a real airline. This place is maddening.

IQuitEagle
03-24-2018, 10:05 PM
Crazy. I’ve been trying to get on with Jetblue for 2 years and havent heard a word. 3,000+TT, 1400+ 121, ERJ170/190 typed and nothing

I hate to say it, but consider yourself lucky. Aside from a lot of people I met there, it was 7 years of my life I’d like back. It’s not the same company it used to be.

slimothy
03-24-2018, 10:11 PM
I hate to say it, but consider yourself lucky. Aside from a lot of people I met there, it was 7 years of my life Iíd like back. Itís not the same company it used to be.

Where did you go after 7 years? I left for SWA after only 2 years.

queue
03-24-2018, 10:12 PM
Are you happy with table scraps?

Are you happy just to have a job?

Do you have something on your record that keeps you from getting employed somewhere else?

Are you so beat down that you will learn to love your servitude?

Then you may just be BJ material.

This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

IQuitEagle
03-24-2018, 10:17 PM
Where did you go after 7 years? I left for SWA after only 2 years.

FedEx. Love it! (And it’s literally only a 1-year pay cut from my CA position at JB, what does that say about JB compensation?) Congrats on Southwest!

slimothy
03-24-2018, 11:36 PM
FedEx. Love it! (And itís literally only a 1-year pay cut from my CA position at JB, what does that say about JB compensation?) Congrats on Southwest!

Iím not going to suffer a pay cut at all going to SWA. FDX is the only app Iíll be updating from now on. If I never get that call, Iíll still retire a happy man. Congrats to you!

Rascal
03-25-2018, 08:21 AM
I’m not going to suffer a pay cut at all going to SWA. FDX is the only app I’ll be updating from now on. If I never get that call, I’ll still retire a happy man. Congrats to you!

Slimothy, I think that we were in the same class at JetBlue. I am trying my hardest to leave as well. Goodluck at Southwest!

slimothy
03-25-2018, 08:49 AM
Slimothy, I think that we were in the same class at JetBlue. I am trying my hardest to leave as well. Goodluck at Southwest!

Thanks! Sent you a PM

HighFlight
03-25-2018, 07:01 PM
Could anyone who lives on the West coast of FL and commutes to JFK please PM me? Sarasota, Punta Gorda, Tampa, Ft. Myers. Particularly Ft. Myers.

Thanks in advance.

Bozo the pilot
03-26-2018, 03:54 PM
Are you happy with table scraps?

Are you happy just to have a job?

Do you have something on your record that keeps you from getting employed somewhere else?

Are you so beat down that you will learn to love your servitude?

Then you may just be BJ material.

This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

This^^ if you get the call here, grab the type and keep your resumes up to date. Then leave as SOON AS YOU CAN.
This place does not take care about their work groups and especially hate the pilot group. We are too far away from a CBA for me to endorse this job.
Even the juicers are fed up.:cool:

coopervane
03-27-2018, 06:03 PM
This^^ if you get the call here, grab the type and keep your resumes up to date. Then leave as SOON AS YOU CAN.
This place does not take care about their work groups and especially hate the pilot group. We are too far away from a CBA for me to endorse this job.
Even the juicers are fed up.:cool:

These are not the words of one disgruntled pilot. I would bet 80-90% of this group would leave tomorrow. Unless they have a business.

“If it’s so bad....why don’t you leave?” Believe me....I’m trying. Most of us FO's are trying.

Look....I get it. I worked for a failing regional and understand why someone needs a job......any job. But understand that you will be distracted (during our pathetic minimalist training) and will lose focus on the prize. Getting to a well paying successful major with good prospects for the future. THAT is your goal.

Why would anyone come here?. There were NO POSTS warning me when I applied here. NONE WHATSOEVER ��. If I saw them I would give serious thought to wasting ANY time at this place.

pilotpayne
03-27-2018, 07:42 PM
These are not the words of one disgruntled pilot. I would bet 80-90% of this group would leave tomorrow. Unless they have a business.

ďIf itís so bad....why donít you leave?Ē Believe me....Iím trying. Most of us FO's are trying.

Look....I get it. I worked for a failing regional and understand why someone needs a job......any job. But understand that you will be distracted (during our pathetic minimalist training) and will lose focus on the prize. Getting to a well paying successful major with good prospects for the future. THAT is your goal.

Why would anyone come here?. There were NO POSTS warning me when I applied here. NONE WHATSOEVER ��. If I saw them I would give serious thought to wasting ANY time at this place.


We have pathetic minimalist training?
No doubt we have issuesó-)(lots)(óbut the training?

I kind of liked not having stacks and stacks of note cards and a defined oral that wasnít left up to the examiner to ask how many steps are on the crj pax door...I think 7 but I just said I wasnít on weight watchers so I donít count steps.

My only issue was they didnít leave much room if you did need to repeat a lesson and that totally messed up the schedule.

I thought training was fair and laid back but Iím on the 190 the bus guys always seemed more stressed, if you want the full experience I think(could be wrong) SWA does it old school no AQP.

As for 80 to 90% seems a bit high but this is APC world so I wonít question that number. :)

Burton78
03-27-2018, 07:59 PM
We have pathetic minimalist training?

No doubt we have issuesó-)(lots)(óbut the training?



I kind of liked not having stacks and stacks of note cards and a defined oral that wasnít left up to the examiner to ask how many steps are on the crj pax door...I think 7 but I just said I wasnít on weight watchers so I donít count steps.



My only issue was they didnít leave much room if you did need to repeat a lesson and that totally messed up the schedule.



I thought training was fair and laid back but Iím on the 190 the bus guys always seemed more stressed, if you want the full experience I think(could be wrong) SWA does it old school no AQP.



As for 80 to 90% seems a bit high but this is APC world so I wonít question that number. :)



SWA does have AQP.


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hilltopflyer
03-27-2018, 08:58 PM
We have pathetic minimalist training?
No doubt we have issuesó-)(lots)(óbut the training?

I kind of liked not having stacks and stacks of note cards and a defined oral that wasnít left up to the examiner to ask how many steps are on the crj pax door...I think 7 but I just said I wasnít on weight watchers so I donít count steps.

My only issue was they didnít leave much room if you did need to repeat a lesson and that totally messed up the schedule.

I thought training was fair and laid back but Iím on the 190 the bus guys always seemed more stressed, if you want the full experience I think(could be wrong) SWA does it old school no AQP.

As for 80 to 90% seems a bit high but this is APC world so I wonít question that number. :)

I'd be gone tomorrow if given the opportunity. I feel most would. Probably closer to 50%. But 80-90 of the peopl that post on here haha

coopervane
03-27-2018, 09:18 PM
I'd be gone tomorrow if given the opportunity. I feel most would. Probably closer to 50%. But 80-90 of the peopl that post on here haha

hy∑per∑bo∑le
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OK.....I admit I got caught up in the moment and overestimated.....sorry

You are correct....it probably is more around 50%

I wonder how close to that number Delta is at?

Iíll stop asking why on earth anybody would come here if nobody else asks why I donít leave.

Just tired of this 💩

.............maybe itís why we have the highest suicide rate in the industry.

AKcharger
03-28-2018, 06:34 AM
As of last month the avg. was 5500hrs

Bgood
03-28-2018, 07:48 AM
Hyperboy, I PMed you.

P-3Bubba
03-28-2018, 09:21 AM
The training at JB is fine. 190 or 320 its the same. Low threat and desire to have everyone to succeed.

Everyone here is getting disgruntled because we're getting worked in this CBA negotiation. The suck factor is high when everyone is now getting paid more than the JB pilot group. There won't be a ton of positive news out of this pilot group until a CBA deal is done. If we go into the summer without a CBA then its going to be a very negative place to be and get information from.

I think that you have a group that can see and compare the compensation packages and the corporate atmosphere of growth and strategic planning, of other professional pilots flying the same equipment and routes to whats happening now at JB. Its not an equitable relationship.

If you take the fact that JB pilots were pretty proud of the JB product and how things were going in terms of professional support on the line (compensation, staffing, management) and then look at how the corporate culture has refused to engage the group in a market rate CBA, leaving hiring and upgrades at the wayside and raking in $BILLIONS of profits there is now quite a bit of anxiety and anger in what our futures will be at JB.

Now. Rewind the clock to 2010 and you have ALL the Legacies rounding out a decade of paralysis. Concessionary contracts, lost pensions and furloughs rounding out the total package. They really sucked. Well, times have changed and JB now has to meet the road. They've never had to do that before.

But here's the good news. They can afford ALL of it. The pilot contract will increase non unit fuel costs by about 1%. Look at Spirit.

JB corporate management is being a problem on purpose. But they've got Wall Street watching and I think the BOD is about had enough of the games. But RH and WC can claim victory. There won't be a deal before July and thats 6 more months of labor cost savings. Congrats guys!



-Bubs

Gearswinger
03-28-2018, 09:46 AM
Agreed. I've been in 4 different airline training environments and JB's is the best. It is non threatening, and teaches you what you needs to know without trying to bog you down with the crap you don't need to know. We can complain about a lot of things, but JB training is fantastic.

CaptCoolHand
03-28-2018, 09:51 AM
Agreed. I've been in 4 different airline training environments and JB's is the best. It is non threatening, and teaches you what you needs to know without trying to bog you down with the crap you don't need to know. We can complain about a lot of things, but JB training is fantastic.

But I still don't know how many screws are in the wing or what is in the behind the galley cart secret compartment compartment!

I also wanna know why everyone turns on EOSID?

rvr1800
03-28-2018, 10:08 AM
But I still don't know how many screws are in the wing or what is in the behind the galley cart secret compartment compartment!

I also wanna know why everyone turns on EOSID?

Because itís going become active any day now! Just like managed speed below 10k!

pilotpayne
03-28-2018, 10:19 AM
hy∑per∑bo∑le
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OK.....I admit I got caught up in the moment and overestimated.....sorry

You are correct....it probably is more around 50%

I wonder how close to that number Delta is at?

Iíll stop asking why on earth anybody would come here if nobody else asks why I donít leave.

Just tired of this 💩

.............maybe itís why we have the highest suicide rate in the industry.

The only problem is people tune out hyperbole...


Just look at the politics you listen to, the Russians the Russians, they want all of our guns, they want to kill every baby, for us or against us.

No doubt people will leave and obviously unless they are going to Fedex or are doing what they did in the 90s jumping from one major to another few are leaving Delta (if any)


Everyone is ready for that CBA man we just have to see it through and stay rational.

rvr1800
03-28-2018, 10:22 AM
Agreed. I've been in 4 different airline training environments and JB's is the best. It is non threatening, and teaches you what you needs to know without trying to bog you down with the crap you don't need to know. We can complain about a lot of things, but JB training is fantastic.

Yeah I think coopervane might be from ExpressJet. The Continental Express side. Great training. They hammered systems knowledge to a fault unfortunately. Coming from there to here I could see why someone would think the way he does. But how is knowing that the red line ITT on the E145XR for TO mode is 970 degrees Celsius allowable between 971-992 degrees for 90 seconds really going to help me? Isnít that why thereís a red line? Or how is knowing the max differential negative pressure is -0.3 a real world applicable limitation? (Both were memory items).

slimothy
03-28-2018, 03:59 PM
SWA does have AQP.


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AQP for recurrent, not for initial. They are still putting the program together for initial. At least, thatís what they told us yesterday during Indoc, so this info may have changed in the last 36 hours.

pilotpayne
03-28-2018, 05:59 PM
AQP for recurrent, not for initial. They are still putting the program together for initial. At least, that’s what they told us yesterday during Indoc, so this info may have changed in the last 36 hours.

I thought that was the case talking with a few AWAC guys that went there, most likely left over from when you bought your own type. They all said it was great training anyway.

Turbine
03-28-2018, 08:25 PM
Do you guys think that a new hire today would be better off at Spirit or jetblue ?

Pay rates are not that far apart. Although some items are notably better at Spirit with the new contract, i.e. 10-15% DC to 401K, scheduling etc.. But whenever JetBlue gets their new contract, is it not likely be better than the new spirit contract?

Any other negatives about B6 that are not obvious on the surface when comparing them to spirit and other low cost carriers?
jetBlue is certainly a more respected carrier by the public than Spirit and Frontier.

In relation to basing, how long before a new hire could expect to hold FLL or MCO, and which aircraft would get a new-hire to those bases the quickest?

embraerjetpilot
03-29-2018, 12:52 AM
Do you guys think that a new hire today would be better off at Spirit or jetblue ?

Pay rates are not that far apart. Although some items are notably better at Spirit with the new contract, i.e. 10-15% DC to 401K, scheduling etc.. But whenever JetBlue gets their new contract, is it not likely be better than the new spirit contract?

Any other negatives about B6 that are not obvious on the surface when comparing them to spirit and other low cost carriers?
jetBlue is certainly a more respected carrier by the public than Spirit and Frontier.

In relation to basing, how long before a new hire could expect to hold FLL or MCO, and which aircraft would get a new-hire to those bases the quickest?


FLL is possibly within a year on the bus I believe.. MCO is right around 2 on the 190 and at least 4 or more on the bus.

If Spirit still plans a lot of growth I would go there. B6 will be in negotiations for a lot longer. Until we have a contract, commuting to reserve can be miserable and first year pay here is demeaning at best.

TiredSoul
03-29-2018, 01:28 AM
Well itís not 10k hrs and two type ratings... I can tell you that much.

:rolleyes:

Papirry
04-13-2018, 08:46 AM
Crazy. Iíve been trying to get on with Jetblue for 2 years and havent heard a word. 3,000+TT, 1400+ 121, ERJ170/190 typed and nothing

7300 TT, Airbus typed with 3000 hrs SIC, Boeing typed 1000 hrs, 5 LOR...international experience clean records and nothing as well.

BeatNavy
04-13-2018, 08:59 AM
7300 TT, Airbus typed with 3000 hrs SIC, Boeing typed 1000 hrs, 5 LOR...international experience clean records and nothing as well.

I donít think youíre in the ďsweet spot.Ē You likely know your worth. We like to hire those who donít know their worth (code word for inexperienced) and are happy settling for less, cleaning airplanes for free, and celebrating culture instead of being a professional airline pilot. Itís no secret that our applicant numbers have plummeted, and I know firsthand we are hiring many who have very little experience compared to you. Good luck if this is what you want, but honestly you are better off elsewhere based on the current course this rudderless ship is drifting.

Bozo the pilot
04-13-2018, 09:34 AM
7300 TT, Airbus typed with 3000 hrs SIC, Boeing typed 1000 hrs, 5 LOR...international experience clean records and nothing as well.

Over qualified Pap.
The real airlines are also hiring.
Good luck sir.

blueballs
04-13-2018, 09:45 AM
Yeah you need a pulse and no experience these days thatís your only hope. Youíre better off going to work for starbucks

rvr1800
04-13-2018, 10:30 AM
Yeah you need a pulse and no experience these days thatís your only hope. Youíre better off going to work for starbucks

Are you a Captain here? Iím going to guess that youíre not. How would you know what the experience level of new hires is? I fly with a lot of guys hired in the last year or two. Not one of them had any issues flying the plane. Based on talking to them about their past, lack of experience was not something Iíve noted either. Many have more experience in this industry than I do.

Bozo the pilot
04-13-2018, 10:36 AM
Are you a Captain here? Iím going to guess that youíre not. How would you know what the experience level of new hires is? I fly with a lot of guys hired in the last year or two. Not one of them had any issues flying the plane. Based on talking to them about their past, lack of experience was not something Iíve noted either. Many have more experience in this industry than I do.

I think what he's saying is that B6 tends to shy away from the highly experienced in fear of quick turnover to the real airlines with real CBAs.

The FOs that I have flown with are actually very good so far so Im with you on that Rvr.

blueballs
04-13-2018, 11:02 AM
https://www.comparably.com/companies/jetblue-airways

Cloud5urfer
04-14-2018, 04:21 AM
Not to be construed as a "pro-jetblew" post.... But after reading over in the Delta forum it sounds like they have similar things going on with super high time guys applying and getting nada while the 27yr old 250hr TPIC guys are getting on.

Wonder if it's an industry wide preference....or if it really is all based on some guy shaking a magic 8ball on each app they look at.

🤷

slimothy
04-14-2018, 05:09 AM
Not to be construed as a "pro-jetblew" post.... But after reading over in the Delta forum it sounds like they have similar things going on with super high time guys applying and getting nada while the 27yr old 250hr TPIC guys are getting on.

Wonder if it's an industry wide preference....or if it really is all based on some guy shaking a magic 8ball on each app they look at.

🤷

At 42 yrs old Iím one of the young bucks in my new hire class at SWA. The class baby is 34, the owl is 60. The class ahead of me does have a 28 year old, but he seems to be the outlier.



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