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Jallancarter
03-23-2018, 01:42 PM
Can any AA pilots give me an idea of how long the training is for new hire pilots, what the schedule is like and what they go through? What is the pay like during training? Days off? Also, how and when does the aircraft you fly and base get determined?


Csy Mon
03-23-2018, 04:20 PM
Training 7-8 weeks. Usually weekends off.
You get assigned aircraft and base pretty early, based on your wishes and relative seniority in class.
Donít know what training pay, or probation pay is these days.
Traditionaly pretty poor but things ave changed lately.
Training is good but AA can be anal. Be prepared to study hard to show ďgood attitudeĒ, then if you have problems they will bend over backwards to help you.

EMBFlyer
03-23-2018, 05:58 PM
Indoc is 2 weeks long.

When you start aircraft training the footprint is pretty much the same among all fleets, but this is based off the 737 (which I just went through transition training on).

9 days of ground school. 4 on. 2 off. Followed by 5 on 2 off.
10 days of sim. 5 on. 2 off.

Before aircraft training on most fleets, there's a home study course on the iPad before you show up. It's about 21 hours of home study (give or take).

I can't speak for the other fleets these days, but I can't speak highly enough of the 737 program. The instructors are excellent and are more than willing work with you. Their goal is to make sure you succeed.

As stated above, the biggest thing is attitude. Have a good attitude and try your best and they'll bend over backwards for you.


Clint
03-24-2018, 03:34 AM
737 and 320 training is 25 days with the on-off schedule that EMBFlyer described. E190 and S80 is 33 days with a similar schedule, but they have an additional week of ground school (737 and 320 have computer based training beforehand that removes the need for that extra week).
Everybody has 48 hours off after their sim checkride, then they have an additional 48 hours to complete four observation rides in the jumpseat of their aircraft (two of which they can do as early as completion of their 5th sim).
Then you are blocked days for OE (Operational Experience Ė flight with a check airman to make sure youíre up to speed). Domestic pilots get 18 days, international pilots get 23 days (international pilots also do a couple days of additional ground school). You need 25 OE hours, and itís normally done as two trips of 2-4 days.

During a full month of training, you get the Monthly Average Line Value (MALV) for your four part bid status (ex: LGA 737 Domestic FO). This varies month to month, but itís usually around 80 hours paid at first year pay (about $85 an hour right now). On your last month of training as you transition to reserve you will be paid reserve guarantee of either 73 hour for long call or 76 hour for short call. On the rare occasion that guys come off OE and hold a line, they get prorated daily value of MALV while theyíre in training, then the value of any trips they pick up when theyíre done with OE.

Your base and aircraft are determined on day 2 of indoc. The class is arranged by birth date and they pick from oldest to youngest.

tothebigblue
03-24-2018, 04:57 AM
Any insights to getting a call from AA? I have an AA pilot rec., 35 year AA employee letter of rec, many externals, and routinely updating pilotcredentials, volunteer work etc etc etc. Not trolling just getting frustrated what else I can do

Otterbox
03-24-2018, 06:18 AM
Any insights to getting a call from AA? I have an AA pilot rec., 35 year AA employee letter of rec, many externals, and routinely updating pilotcredentials, volunteer work etc etc etc. Not trolling just getting frustrated what else I can do

LCA seems to be a big ticket item for non-flow/non-military pilots.

newcfii
03-24-2018, 12:53 PM
Any insights to getting a call from AA? I have an AA pilot rec., 35 year AA employee letter of rec, many externals, and routinely updating pilotcredentials, volunteer work etc etc etc. Not trolling just getting frustrated what else I can do

As was previously posted from our Director of Pilot Recruiting David Tatum:

What advice do you have for someone with an ultimate career goal of flying for American?
Our three wholly owned regionals - PSA, Piedmont and Envoy - play an integral part in our long-term pilot pipeline strategy. For someone who is taking the civilian route and desiring to fly for American, we highly recommend flying for one of our regionals. As you have seen in the last few years, our primary source of pilots is the military and our three regionals. Our unique seniority-based flow agreements make the regional path the one most certain to lead to our cockpit.

Again, your recommendations and involvement in our recruitment process are key elements to our success. Thank you for helping us to find pilots who would be a great asset to our airline.

David

Sliceback
03-26-2018, 06:04 AM
Training is not ďmost weekends off.Ē Class start almost every day and you get on your 4/2 or 5/2 cycle. If youíre on a 5/2 cycle and start on Monday youíll have every weekend off. If the classes were starting every day one pairing (2 FOís or 1 CA and 1 FO, gets every weekend off, one pairing would get every Saturday off, one pairing would get every Sunday off, and the other four pairings would work every weekend.

Training start every day would be 60 Ďstartsí per month. Iíd be surprised if itís that high. Thirty starts would be an aircraft training class starting every other day.

A 4/2 schedule would have some weekend days off.

EMBFlyer
03-26-2018, 11:20 AM
Training is not ďmost weekends off.Ē Class start almost every day and you get on your 4/2 or 5/2 cycle. If youíre on a 5/2 cycle and start on Monday youíll have every weekend off. If the classes were starting every day one pairing (2 FOís or 1 CA and 1 FO, gets every weekend off, one pairing would get every Saturday off, one pairing would get every Sunday off, and the other four pairings would work every weekend.

Training start every day would be 60 Ďstartsí per month. Iíd be surprised if itís that high. Thirty starts would be an aircraft training class starting every other day.

A 4/2 schedule would have some weekend days off.

Precisely. I was in training every weekend during my transition training.

Kebert Xela
03-26-2018, 12:47 PM
Precisely. I was in training every weekend during my transition training.


Same, though I had it a little different cause I went to Miami for 73 sims 1-5 instead of DFW.... got an extra day off on the back end for travel back to Dfw to continue sims 6-10.

Don’t know how much longer that will last but I think we’ll be sending folks to Boeing in MIA for a while.

Clint
03-27-2018, 04:14 AM
Training start every day would be 60 Ďstartsí per month. Iíd be surprised if itís that high. Thirty starts would be an aircraft training class starting every other day.
It's pretty high. Here are the individual scheduled start dates for new hire FOs in March.
3/2/2018
3/2/2018
3/2/2018
3/2/2018
3/2/2018
3/3/2018
3/3/2018
3/3/2018
3/3/2018
3/3/2018
3/3/2018
3/4/2018
3/4/2018
3/5/2018
3/5/2018
3/5/2018
3/5/2018
3/6/2018
3/7/2018
3/8/2018
3/8/2018
3/8/2018
3/9/2018
3/10/2018
3/10/2018
3/10/2018
3/11/2018
3/12/2018
3/13/2018
3/15/2018
3/15/2018
3/16/2018
3/17/2018
3/18/2018
3/18/2018
3/18/2018
3/19/2018
3/20/2018
3/21/2018
3/21/2018
3/21/2018
3/21/2018
3/22/2018
3/22/2018
3/22/2018
3/22/2018
3/23/2018
3/23/2018
3/23/2018
3/23/2018
3/24/2018
3/25/2018
3/25/2018
3/26/2018
3/26/2018
3/26/2018
3/27/2018
3/27/2018
3/27/2018
3/28/2018
3/28/2018
3/28/2018
3/28/2018
3/29/2018
3/30/2018
3/30/2018
3/30/2018
3/31/2018
3/31/2018

Most of these were from February indoc classes before they scaled back the class size slightly, but they're cranking through a good number.

Slowmover
04-01-2018, 05:55 PM
I start indoc at AA on 17 April. I'm a prior military airlift guy with no 121 experience. I could use some tips on how to do well as an FNG. I just want to be a good FO and bloom where I'm planted. Any advice appreciated!

Thank you!

Vma214
04-01-2018, 06:25 PM
I start indoc at AA on 17 April. I'm a prior military airlift guy with no 121 experience. I could use some tips on how to do well as an FNG. I just want to be a good FO and bloom where I'm planted. Any advice appreciated!

Thank you!

Keep the good attitude you obviously already have. AA is not going to spoon feed you info like the Military does. Be humble, give your training for 6 short weeks the same effort you gave in UPT and youíll have no problems. It ainít rocket science.

tm602
04-01-2018, 07:35 PM
Keep the good attitude you obviously already have. AA is not going to spoon feed you info like the Military does. Be humble, give your training for 6 short weeks the same effort you gave in UPT and youíll have no problems. It ainít rocket science.

So I take it you were a Marine? The userid is my hint.

PRS Guitars
04-01-2018, 09:06 PM
Keep the good attitude you obviously already have. AA is not going to spoon feed you info like the Military does. Be humble, give your training for 6 short weeks the same effort you gave in UPT and youíll have no problems. It ainít rocket science.

I felt way more spoon fed at AA than in the Air Force. Itís very much a gentlemanís course.

ATR72
04-01-2018, 10:11 PM
I felt way more spoon fed at AA than in the Air Force. Itís very much a gentlemanís course.

Ditto. If you do your part youíll be just fine.
I think Iíve been through six full courses between US Air & AA.

flydc
04-02-2018, 05:19 AM
The training is slow-paced and very easy. The hardest part for you may be OE and learning the ground ops at busy hubs. Your CKA will show you the ropes. Don't stress!

justfun
04-02-2018, 12:32 PM
Slowmover,

Check your PM.

Justfun

EMBFlyer
04-02-2018, 04:58 PM
The training is slow-paced and very easy. The hardest part for you may be OE and learning the ground ops at busy hubs. Your CKA will show you the ropes. Don't stress!

On the plus side, you'll do 4 (I think it's 4) jumpseat observations before you start OE. You'll at least get to see the ramp/company operations.

Slowmover
04-03-2018, 12:00 PM
Thanks for the advice!

DMV CO
04-20-2018, 03:41 PM
Thanks for all the info thus far. I was fortunate enough to get offered a CJO this week and I'm super excited to get started at American! I was wondering though, following indoc, what is the average break you experience before you start ground school?

Slowmover
04-20-2018, 07:47 PM
Thanks for all the info thus far. I was fortunate enough to get offered a CJO this week and I'm super excited to get started at American! I was wondering though, following indoc, what is the average break you experience before you start ground school?

Range in the current indoc class is 2-5 weeks with most people getting a 3-4 week "break." I use quotes because you are paid during that time and are given a company iPad and some distance learning requirements.

When you pick your base and airframe, you can also pick from the available class dates. If you're old, you might be able to pick a later date. If you're not old relative to the rest of the class, you get what you get!

DMV CO
04-21-2018, 06:17 AM
Range in the current indoc class is 2-5 weeks with most people getting a 3-4 week "break." I use quotes because you are paid during that time and are given a company iPad and some distance learning requirements.

When you pick your base and airframe, you can also pick from the available class dates. If you're old, you might be able to pick a later date. If you're not old relative to the rest of the class, you get what you get!

So you're saying I'm likely going to get what I get. Sounds good to me, thanks for the info!

Battlinbear21
04-21-2018, 09:34 AM
So you're saying I'm likely going to get what I get. Sounds good to me, thanks for the info!

Friend in the first March class was the youngest. 29. New bid he was awarded Mia from lax. Two guys in my class 3/20 also lax, were awarded Lga and Mia. Iím about to move up 20% the list on 190 in a single vacancy. You will get what you want very quickly. A 11400 was awarded G4 Fo and and G2 Captain. So.. like 3-4 years till left seat 73 if you want it.

LIOG41
04-21-2018, 07:19 PM
Friend in the first March class was the youngest. 29. New bid he was awarded Mia from lax. Two guys in my class 3/20 also lax, were awarded Lga and Mia. Iím about to move up 20% the list on 190 in a single vacancy. You will get what you want very quickly. A 11400 was awarded G4 Fo and and G2 Captain. So.. like 3-4 years till left seat 73 if you want it.

Actually G4 FO went to 11,9xx and NB CA went to 11,3xxx

PRS Guitars
04-21-2018, 07:31 PM
... Iím about to move up 20% the list on 190 in a single vacancy.

A lot of them are being withheld it looks like, so it might be slightly slower going.

Climb510
04-22-2018, 04:16 AM
A lot of them are being withheld it looks like, so it might be slightly slower going.

How long does it usually take for them to finalize the preliminary bid awards?

Sliceback
04-22-2018, 06:07 AM
A week?? Filler



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