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RoatanPilot
04-06-2018, 07:45 PM
Greetings hope all is well .
Looking for some advice please ; Iím currently a regional Turboprop pilot ( ATR - 72-600) I have 1800 hrs . I would like to apply to fly Dubai but they request 2500 hrs minimum . My monthly roster in my current airline is 55- 60 hours a month. I was thinking about applying to Copa Airlines, ( 2 years minimum ) and continue to build my flight hours then later on apply to fly Dubai . Iíve been in my current regional airline for 5 years now and Iím just not happy anymore . Feels like Iím suffocating. So I was thinking apply to Copa fly with them for a while then apply to fly Dubai . But Iíve heard mixed reviews about Copa , is it worth it for a minimum of 2 years or should I just hold on a little longer at my current airline ? Thanks


Stratapilot
04-06-2018, 07:54 PM
Iíve heard mixed reviews about Fly Dubai as well. Whatís drawing you there? I take it you live in South America?

RoatanPilot
04-06-2018, 07:59 PM
I live in Central America I fly with AVIANCA . Central America and panama . Also here in AVIANCA is regional pilots have zero chances of upgrading to jet . Well the pay is a major plus 8000+ US with fly Dubai and also the Benefits from what Iíve seen on their website. What have you heard about Flydubai?


RoatanPilot
04-06-2018, 08:05 PM
Iíve heard mixed reviews about Fly Dubai as well. Whatís drawing you there? I take it you live in South America?

I live in Central America I fly with AVIANCA . Central America and panama . Also here in AVIANCA is regional pilots have zero chances of upgrading to jet . Well the pay is a major plus 8000+ US with fly Dubai and also the Benefits from what Iíve seen on their website. What have you heard about Flydubai?

morerightrudder
04-06-2018, 08:36 PM
This forum is primarily for pilots of USA-based airlines.
You might want to try pprune, or at least the "Foreign" sub forum of this site. Good luck with your decision.

Expat87
05-02-2018, 06:14 AM
I flew for Copa as an Expat pilot for 5 years and just recently made it back to the US. You can search for some of my reviews of Copa but here they are in a nutshell.

1. Training is horrendously laughable in the fact that you are under constant pressure and the threat of termination is outlined day 1.

2. Yea, lets keep that fact going. Termination is a constant threat.

3. As an FO, youre expected to do your job and not interject much with Panamanian captains. Boy did they love us expats from the US and Europe...

4. Management, your Chief Pilot and anyone else with a desk job is absolutely useless and will never answer an email or advocate for you at all. You are ALWAYS on your own. Remember that, accept it and watch your back.

5. UNPAC *the Panamanian Union*, is one of the most corrupt organizations I have ever seen. And they flaunt it. You will pay union dues as an Expat however you cannot vote at all. The union reps are on the company dime. Whenever a contract passes, the union reps are promised cushy jobs in the headquarters if they promise to just push for little gains with the pilots.

I loved living in Panama. I loved the flying and the maintenance on the airplanes was superb. It could be a dream job but its just not. The pay is FAR substandard for the type of hard flying we did in Central and South America for all the redeyes.

I got in, got the experience I needed and got out. Took longer than I wanted but thats how this industry works. PM for more details.

Good luck out there.

BOEINGANDROLEX
09-08-2018, 01:29 PM
I am flying for Copa at the moment, to me it is worth, specially when you think about the fact of the amount of money you win here and the position, flying B737 all over the americas, upgrade to Captain position in few years, really fast. Here is a good place to work, get a lot of experience, go to a Captain position and then think about what you are going to do until retirement.

Selfmade92
09-08-2018, 03:50 PM
if PJN is right, pay is really substandard for 737

SoFloFlyer
09-08-2018, 08:21 PM
What is the pay at Copa?

RJSAviator76
09-09-2018, 03:03 AM
Don't bother with FlyDubai. The pay is decent, but you'll spend it all on housing and the cost of living in Dubai which is really high. They also fly quite a bit of backside of the clock (redeyes) and to some really bad places. Also, I will promise you this... you will have never been as tired in your life as you will be with either Emirates or FlyDubai.

Fatigue is a real concern there, but their GCAA (authority) attitude towards it is something that will leave you scratching your head and wonder if these people are in the same century as the rest of the world. For example, if you call in fatigued, their rules require the company to give you 48 hours off (good)... but then you have to go see your aviation doctor to root out why you were fatigued (really bad). In other words, you can't just say "these rosters are killing me" because the answer will be "... but it's legal 'captain'..."

SoFloFlyer
09-09-2018, 09:07 AM
Don't bother with FlyDubai. The pay is decent, but you'll spend it all on housing and the cost of living in Dubai which is really high. They also fly quite a bit of backside of the clock (redeyes) and to some really bad places. Also, I will promise you this... you will have never been as tired in your life as you will be with either Emirates or FlyDubai.

Fatigue is a real concern there, but their GCAA (authority) attitude towards it is something that will leave you scratching your head and wonder if these people are in the same century as the rest of the world. For example, if you call in fatigued, their rules require the company to give you 48 hours off (good)... but then you have to go see your aviation doctor to root out why you were fatigued (really bad). In other words, you can't just say "these rosters are killing me" because the answer will be "... but it's legal 'captain'..."

But legal doesnít always man safe... but they probably wouldnít understand that if they wouldnít care.

RJSAviator76
09-09-2018, 10:08 AM
But legal doesnít always man safe... but they probably wouldnít understand that if they wouldnít care.



Are you seriously trying to make sense in that part of the world?

SoFloFlyer
09-09-2018, 09:39 PM
Are you seriously trying to make sense in that part of the world?

Youíre right.. I dygress.

Asiabound
09-10-2018, 10:21 AM
I haven't worked at FD, but have spent A LOT of time there and have a great group of friends from the states working for them. They seem pretty happy to be honest though the typical complaints include the rapidly increasing cost of living. If you consider the cost of rent, food, the new 5% VAT, etc, it's really not that much more than what you would get at a regional or ACMI. Make no mistake, Dubai is like Manhattan or South Beach in terms of cost, especially if you're going out a lot.

It's a fun place though, some of the hottest FA's I've ever seen. For being in the Middle East, Dubai is a crazy place for partying. I wouldn't recommend going there if you are married.

As for the schedule, my closest friend is a senior FO (been there a couple of yrs) and has a great schedule and doesn't work much and avoids most of the red-eyes. He really doesn't want to upgrade because of his QOL and the increased workload doesn't equate to the pay bump for him. The junior guys I guess get absolutely hammered. Two other acquaintances I made in our group over there are former COPA pilots from Panama, and didn't have anything nice to say about COPA.

I would really consider why it is you want to leave your current regional? If you're 25 and want to chase women it sounds like fun, besides that I think the US is the place to be. If you can believe it, no one I've talked to at FlyDubai seems to really want to go to EK right now, apparently the schedules are much worse. There's no United or Delta, working 10 days a month for $250,000 type flying to be had over there.

YMMV and Good Luck.