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EricJin
04-08-2018, 03:13 PM
Just a RTP guy about to pull the trigger but, what is the average start out take home pay a month for a guy starting out at Envoy when everything is calculated in (per diet ect). Also, how soon can you upgrade to captain, realistically, I have heard from 1 year to as far as 3 years.


copycopy
04-08-2018, 09:04 PM
Notwithstanding the sign on bonus you will make 64 hours per month plus per diem during training. I believe they are starting new FOs at pay step 3, so $38.28/hr. 64 hours * $38.28 = $2,449.92, plus 24 hours * 30 days * $1.90 per diem of $1,368.00, so during training for a full month youíll see $3,817.92 pre-tax. Once youíre on the line it will be 75 hours ($2,871) for reserve or the line value (upwards of 91 hours if you get a strong line) plus perdiem (depending on flying).

As upgrades now are instant for those who have part 121 time required for FAR 121.436, if you have no 121 time I would expect it to be a bit longer. Probably 2-2.5 years, as it will take 1.5-2 years to get your flight time and youíre being hired after a glut of first officers all scrambling for time to upgrade.

Chicken Little
04-09-2018, 02:53 AM
Notwithstanding the sign on bonus you will make 64 hours per month plus per diem during training. I believe they are starting new FOs at pay step 3, so $38.28/hr. 64 hours * $38.28 = $2,449.92, plus 24 hours * 30 days * $1.90 per diem of $1,368.00, so during training for a full month youíll see $3,817.92 pre-tax. Once youíre on the line it will be 75 hours ($2,871) for reserve or the line value (upwards of 91 hours if you get a strong line) plus perdiem (depending on flying).

As upgrades now are instant for those who have part 121 time required for FAR 121.436, if you have no 121 time I would expect it to be a bit longer. Probably 2-2.5 years, as it will take 1.5-2 years to get your flight time and youíre being hired after a glut of first officers all scrambling for time to upgrade.

I believe it is only 16 hours of "per Diem" per day while in training.


flysooner9
04-09-2018, 03:54 AM
I believe it is only 16 hours of "per Diem" per day while in training.

This is correct

copycopy
04-09-2018, 07:10 AM
I believe it is only 16 hours of "per Diem" per day while in training.

Yup, my bad. It was a little to late at night to be posting with math and numbers involved lol

in2deep
04-09-2018, 02:40 PM
My training checks were about $1300 a pop after taxes and deductions

Folove
04-09-2018, 03:06 PM
Is there a waiting time for a DEC class? If so, how long before they give you a class date? You have complete FO IOE first before heading to upgrade class?

Pedro4President
04-09-2018, 04:13 PM
Is there a waiting time for a DEC class? If so, how long before they give you a class date? You have complete FO IOE first before heading to upgrade class?

They will put you in the first available class. No wait for "DEC"... although you aren't technically a CA when hired. You are hired as an FO go through indoc and then home. After a vacancy/displacement bid gets put out you will get displaced to CA 145 and then start systems. They are about to start running vacancy bids every month so the down time for DECs is limited.

uavking
04-09-2018, 04:24 PM
They are about to start running vacancy bids every month so the down time for DECs is limited.

The dust hasn't even settled on this latest vacancy and that's the word from on high, eh?

flysooner9
04-09-2018, 04:34 PM
They told us in the interview to expect to be displaced to CA after Indoc during CBTís. Didnít say anything about having to wait for a bid.

Folove
04-09-2018, 06:00 PM
They will put you in the first available class. No wait for "DEC"... although you aren't technically a CA when hired. You are hired as an FO go through indoc and then home. After a vacancy/displacement bid gets put out you will get displaced to CA 145 and then start systems. They are about to start running vacancy bids every month so the down time for DECs is limited.

Ok, so no need to complete FO IOE, then go back to CA upgrade? Thatís what the website seems to advocate...

flysooner9
04-09-2018, 06:52 PM
Ok, so no need to complete FO IOE, then go back to CA upgrade? Thatís what the website seems to advocate...

They made it clear that wasnít the case during my interview. They would award it right off the bat but itís against the contract so they have to actually ďdisplaceĒ you to CA. Technically you can bid anything you want from the drop but they strongly encourage you to pick 145 LGA as to not needlessly take a spot from a new hire FO if they wanted something else.

Folove
04-10-2018, 06:46 AM
They made it clear that wasnít the case during my interview. They would award it right off the bat but itís against the contract so they have to actually ďdisplaceĒ you to CA. Technically you can bid anything you want from the drop but they strongly encourage you to pick 145 LGA as to not needlessly take a spot from a new hire FO if they wanted something else.


Just sent you a PM.

Pedro4President
04-10-2018, 07:07 AM
Ok, so no need to complete FO IOE, then go back to CA upgrade? Thatís what the website seems to advocate...

Nope... There is no need to complete FO training.

Folove
04-10-2018, 08:22 AM
Nope... There is no need to complete FO training.



Thank you also!