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goljal
04-12-2018, 09:02 AM
Hi guys,

I'm considering some regionals and I would love some feedback from anyone who's been at Air Wisconsin for more than one year. Can you give me some specific feedback as to how this airline is different from others.


UhOhItsTheFiveO
04-12-2018, 12:13 PM
Hi guys,

I'm considering some regionals and I would love some feedback from anyone who's been at Air Wisconsin for more than one year. Can you give me some specific feedback as to how this airline is different from others.

Not trying to be rude in any way, but I notice this is your first post. I would recommend taking some time and scroll through all the other threads within each airline you are pursuing. Doing so will give you all the information you seek. You'll be able to find out what airlines fly what airframes, their crew bases, seniority, time to upgrade, and so on. Best of luck!

prex8390
04-12-2018, 03:37 PM
Iíd recommend reading the threads


BigWillyCapt
04-12-2018, 05:15 PM
Hard to say since many of us have only flown for one regional. I would say now is a great time to be at most of the higher profile regionals since the pay is good and there is movement. Having an easy commute/living in base can be a big deal if you have a family or don't want to move, especially when you are junior. Reserve is going to stink at most regionals and Air Wisconsin works theirs pretty hard. But, you get hours and get paid so it has some benefit I guess. We get 12 days off minimum, (when staffing is okay). The big one you will hear is our health insurance. Affordable and one of the best in the industry, majors included. If you are young and bullet-proof it's not that big a deal, but if you need it, you are glad you have it. Also, another plus for AWA is a smaller pilot group. If movement continues, it's a shorter path to the left seat with 600 pilots than with 1600. Good luck with your decision.

lukeh99
04-13-2018, 11:18 AM
Hi guys,

I'm considering some regionals and I would love some feedback from anyone who's been at Air Wisconsin for more than one year. Can you give me some specific feedback as to how this airline is different from others.

I've worked for a very large regional and now AW where we now have 550 pilots. There is a definite feeling of being a part of a team here that I think you won't find most places. The attitude here is just different and it makes me look forward to coming to work on most days even when operational issues are a challenge. It's also very easy to become a big fish in a small pond here so if you have some ambition this is the place to go. They just promoted an FO to Assistant Chief Pilot in MKE who had been here for less than a year. There are huge opportunities here for those who want them.

AW training is tough. That's no secret. But it's a small industry and the majors/LCC's know a good training program from an average one. Southwest hires a huge number of our pilots because they know our pilots will breeze through their program. All regionals are not created equal and you want a good one on your resume if you can get it. It does make a difference.

After having been here for 8 months I'm around 410/550 in the company. That's 25% of the way up the list in less than a year. That's some serious movement and the CPP hasn't even started. Even if the CPP accounts for 5 pilots a month that's still an additional 10% of the current group per year on top of the movement that is already happening.

The other major differentiator that I think people don't completely appreciate are the trip and duty rigs. You'll routinely see a pairing with 15 hours of flying and 21 hours of credit. This is huge and it makes it very hard to compare our pay rates to other companies.

I'm not saying everything is perfect here, but when comparing regionals I think AW is one of the few smart choices.

Day4mx
04-13-2018, 02:06 PM
I agree with this except for the whole rig thing...ive flown one trip that paid a rig in 7 years here.

T28driver
04-13-2018, 04:18 PM
I agree with this except for the whole rig thing...ive flown one trip that paid a rig in 7 years here.


I’ve had both trip and duty rig come into play a bunch, and I haven’t been here very long.

flydiamond
04-13-2018, 08:02 PM
I agree with this except for the whole rig thing...ive flown one trip that paid a rig in 7 years here.

As someone from the outside, working for an airline without rigs, have you ever considered that your pairings are constructed more efficient because of the rigs? Company is incentivized to avoid 3 1/2 hour sits, long overnights, etc. believe me, they don’t like paying for work that isn’t performed. Rigs are a great thing, especially with an airline that flies 50 seaters on some very very short flights.

lukeh99
04-13-2018, 11:20 PM
As someone from the outside, working for an airline without rigs, have you ever considered that your pairings are constructed more efficient because of the rigs? Company is incentivized to avoid 3 1/2 hour sits, long overnights, etc. believe me, they donít like paying for work that isnít performed. Rigs are a great thing, especially with an airline that flies 50 seaters on some very very short flights.

Itís definitely an incentive to build trips that arenít a waste of time. While itís true that the company tends to build trips that arenít ďriggedĒ during the initial build, they definitely come into play during irregular ops when trips are cobbled together from open time. If you are aggressive about trading you can get paid quite well for sitting in a hotel watching Netflix.

SoFloFlyer
04-15-2018, 10:19 PM
Iíve always been a bit confused on what ďrigsĒ actually mean and how they come into play. I was always told to look for it, but I donít know how to break it down and how it affects pilots.

racer847
04-16-2018, 03:27 AM
Trip rigs pay you a set amount no matter how much you fly. AW is 1:4 so for every four hours on a trip you are guaranteed an hour of pay. Duty rigs provide guarantee from show time to release, at AW its 1:2 so one hour of flight pay for every 2 hours of duty.

lukeh99
04-16-2018, 09:36 AM
Trip rigs pay you a set amount no matter how much you fly.

You could also encounter a trip where the block time pays more than the rig time. In that case you get the higher of the two.

lukeh99
04-16-2018, 09:38 AM
Iíve always been a bit confused on what ďrigsĒ actually mean and how they come into play. I was always told to look for it, but I donít know how to break it down and how it affects pilots.

Here's a fake trip to illustrate the point of rigs:

0815 Show Time
UA 4335 0900-1030 ORD-BNA
UA 3451 2030-2200 BNA-ORD
2215 Release time

This has you working a 14 hour duty day, and getting 3 hours of actual flying. You are literally sitting in the airport for 10 hours and getting nothing for it at an airline without rigs or min day pay. Based on the duty rig for this day trip at AW you would get 7 hours of pay for this day because you take your total duty day (14 hours) and divide by 2 to get the duty rig (7 hours).

This isn't a normal trip because they don't want to pay you 7 hours for 3 hours of flying. But rigs are an insurance policy against exactly this kind of abuse and especially on reserve this kind of thing does happen. (By the way you would get a hotel on this 10 hour sit at AW because it is required by our contract even though you are on duty the whole time)

The trip rig works in the same way except you take your total time away from base and divide it by 4.

Suppose this trip was a 2 day now:

0815 Show Time 5/1/2018
UA 4335 0900-1030 ORD-BNA
1045 Release

Hilton Garden Inn Hotel BNA

1945 Show Time 5/2/2018
UA 3451 2030-2200 BNA-ORD
2215 Release time (a day later)

Now you have a trip with a 38 hour time away from base. Divide that by 4 and you get 9.5 hours (your trip rig). So this 2 day trip now pays 9.5 hours for 3 hours of flying.

If you picked up this 2 day on your days off and it was labelled critical you now get paid 19 hours for 3 hours of flying since critical time is paid at 200% at Air Wisconsin. At first year FO pay of $35 that's somewhere in the neighborhood of $220 per flight hour.

This is an extreme case, but I think it shows you why people talk about rigs so much.

SoFloFlyer
04-16-2018, 02:39 PM
Here's a fake trip to illustrate the point of rigs:

0815 Show Time
UA 4335 0900-1030 ORD-BNA
UA 3451 2030-2200 BNA-ORD
2215 Release time

This has you working a 14 hour duty day, and getting 3 hours of actual flying. You are literally sitting in the airport for 10 hours and getting nothing for it at an airline without rigs or min day pay. Based on the duty rig for this day trip at AW you would get 7 hours of pay for this day because you take your total duty day (14 hours) and divide by 2 to get the duty rig (7 hours).

This isn't a normal trip because they don't want to pay you 7 hours for 3 hours of flying. But rigs are an insurance policy against exactly this kind of abuse and especially on reserve this kind of thing does happen. (By the way you would get a hotel on this 10 hour sit at AW because it is required by our contract even though you are on duty the whole time)

The trip rig works in the same way except you take your total time away from base and divide it by 4.

Suppose this trip was a 2 day now:

0815 Show Time 5/1/2018
UA 4335 0900-1030 ORD-BNA
1045 Release

Hilton Garden Inn Hotel BNA

1945 Show Time 5/2/2018
UA 3451 2030-2200 BNA-ORD
2215 Release time (a day later)

Now you have a trip with a 38 hour time away from base. Divide that by 4 and you get 9.5 hours (your trip rig). So this 2 day trip now pays 9.5 hours for 3 hours of flying.

If you picked up this 2 day on your days off and it was labelled critical you now get paid 19 hours for 3 hours of flying since critical time is paid at 200% at Air Wisconsin. At first year FO pay of $35 that's somewhere in the neighborhood of $220 per flight hour.

This is an extreme case, but I think it shows you why people talk about rigs so much.

Thanks for the reply!! You guys at AW have been the most pleasant thread to interact with so thatís appreciated. It really does seem that AW has one of the better contracts in the regional industry. Thanks again, guys

StrykerB21
04-17-2018, 05:40 AM
Thanks for the reply!! You guys at AW have been the most pleasant thread to interact with so thatís appreciated. It really does seem that AW has one of the better contracts in the regional industry. Thanks again, guys

We want new hires to have a good understanding of how it all works because we want them to do well here. Doesn't make sense to me to mislead or berate people for not knowing something. This whole forum is about asking and answering questions.

BigWillyCapt
04-17-2018, 07:50 PM
^^^^This^^^^

DiveAndDrive
04-17-2018, 10:17 PM
^^^^This^^^^

Seconded. This, so much. Thank you for those that ďget itĒ.

OT35
04-18-2018, 06:17 AM
I routinely pick up critical two day trips with 1 leg out day 1 and 1 leg back on day 2. Pays a min day, 3 hours, each day @ 200%. I'm on 3rd year pay, 12 hours of pay for doing absolutely nothing. Even better is when I pick up an old dash route like a MDT turn where you work an hour of flight time total and get paid a min day at 200%. I write "no JM or extensions" when I pick up trips and they've all been approved so far. Post has nothing to do with rigs but everything to do with you'll make lots of money if you play it right

SoFloFlyer
04-18-2018, 06:23 PM
We want new hires to have a good understanding of how it all works because we want them to do well here. Doesn't make sense to me to mislead or berate people for not knowing something. This whole forum is about asking and answering questions.

Itís awesome knowing that the senior guys care about the new guys. We need more people like you in the regional industry!

squib
04-18-2018, 06:24 PM
I write "no JM or extensions" when I pick up trips and they've all been approved so far.

Screenshot or it didn't happen. That's a clear violation of the CBA and they have denied multiple people in the past for making that exact request.

SoFloFlyer
04-18-2018, 06:24 PM
I routinely pick up critical two day trips with 1 leg out day 1 and 1 leg back on day 2. Pays a min day, 3 hours, each day @ 200%. I'm on 3rd year pay, 12 hours of pay for doing absolutely nothing. Even better is when I pick up an old dash route like a MDT turn where you work an hour of flight time total and get paid a min day at 200%. I write "no JM or extensions" when I pick up trips and they've all been approved so far. Post has nothing to do with rigs but everything to do with you'll make lots of money if you play it right

Itís crazy to think that the system can be played like this! Is only possible to play it so well if you live in base?

squib
04-18-2018, 06:43 PM
Itís crazy to think that the system can be played like this! Is only possible to play it so well if you live in base?

There's no "playing the system" that's just how it works due to the inefficiency of scheduling.