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stfoley23
04-17-2018, 02:49 PM
Just got done doing a simulator study for Honeywell for the avionics in the E2 jet series. Does anyone know if RAH will be getting the new E2 Jets?


FlyGood
04-17-2018, 02:55 PM
Hopefully not. They’re too heavy for current scope. I would prefer mainline guys not cave and give up more scope.

knewyork
04-17-2018, 03:35 PM
^What he said. Unless Republic starts doing casino charters again.

You do not want to see that airplane with the words express/connection/eagle painted on the side. Let’s hope our brothers and sisters hold the line.


Geardownflaps30
04-17-2018, 09:17 PM
Just got done doing a simulator study for Honeywell for the avionics in the E2 jet series. Does anyone know if RAH will be getting the new E2 Jets?

No.


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BLURCEO
04-18-2018, 06:19 AM
The E2 is just an upgrade of the cabin, avionics, wing, and engine to the 175/190/195 line. The 175 is configured currently with Delta and American at 76 seats. So should be no scope issue as far as the number of seats. But the number of 175s could be an issue. Could they be retiring some older 175s?

knewyork
04-18-2018, 06:34 AM
They could replace old ones but isn’t the E2 too heavy? Same with the MRJ. Weight is also a scope issue.

FlyGood
04-18-2018, 07:14 AM
To add, everything I ever see about the 175 E2 is that it keeps getting delayed because of scope issues. Notice that there hasn’t been an actual 175 E2 test aircraft built yet? If US carriers don’t give up scope I’ll be surprised if the 175 E2 is ever built. Skywest is the only carrier in the world with firm 175 E2 orders. Also, the max takeoff weight is almost 99,000 pounds. I forget exact weight scopes but they’re somewhere around 86,000 pounds. I hope the only way we see next gen 175s in the US is if they’re flown by mainline.

MasterOfPuppets
04-18-2018, 07:18 AM
The E2 is just an upgrade of the cabin, avionics, wing, and engine to the 175/190/195 line. The 175 is configured currently with Delta and American at 76 seats. So should be no scope issue as far as the number of seats. But the number of 175s could be an issue. Could they be retiring some older 175s?

Its too heavy.

I won't even read past section 1 if scope is moved even one inch in the wrong direction.

Bonanzer
04-18-2018, 03:13 PM
Hopefully not. They’re too heavy for current scope. I would prefer mainline guys not cave and give up more scope.

Agree as well. Unfortunately mainline pilots have a tendency to fold and blame it on regional pilots.

Excargodog
04-18-2018, 03:22 PM
With Boeing buying into Embraer and Airbus Bombardier, these over scope aircraft will wind up flying somewhere, hopefully at the majors. And seriously, even Boeing knows their smaller 737s aren't economical enough to compete against the jumbo RJs. Cheaper and faster for them to buy an existing design that can fill that niche rather than to design a new competitor from the ground up.


Boeing referred to comments by chief executive Dennis Muilenburg in February, saying the timing was right for the companies to combine forces and a tie-up would be “a great strategic fit, but it’s not a must do.”

While the broad outlines of a deal seem to have satisfied all parties’ main concerns, there are finer points to settle between the companies, whose partnership in the 70- to 130-seat regional jet segment would mean stiffer competition for Bombardier Inc (BBDb.TO) and Airbus SE’s (AIR.PA) CSeries program.

For example, negotiators still need to define Boeing’s final stake in a new joint venture containing Embraer’s commercial aviation business, which is likely to be just over 80 percent in return for a cash payment, according to two of the sources. It was still unclear if Embraer would have a seat on the board of the new company, they added.

But they said key government concerns are addressed in the plan, which ensures that Embraer, which would keep its defense and business jet divisions, retains the engineering capacity necessary to design and build new aircraft. Long-term service agreements between Embraer and the new company should also guarantee their long-term viability, sources said.

msprj2
04-19-2018, 05:28 AM
Hopefully not. They’re too heavy for current scope. I would prefer mainline guys not cave and give up more scope.

Mainline pilots will not fly 76 seaters unless they agree to do it for regional pay rates. Which is almost like changing scope

BoilerUP
04-19-2018, 05:37 AM
Mainline pilots will not fly 76 seaters unless they agree to do it for regional pay rates. Which is almost like changing scope

Not exactly like changing scope...top-out jet at a regional or entry-level jet at a major carrier?

knewyork
04-19-2018, 07:26 AM
I know a few thousand people who will fly any size airplane for fair (mainline) pay and mainline retirement benefits.

msprj2
04-19-2018, 10:08 AM
I know a few thousand people who will fly any size airplane for fair (mainline) pay and mainline retirement benefits.

Well yea of course. Why would mainline mgt pay you double to do the
same job you're doing today?

knewyork
04-19-2018, 11:01 AM
Well yea of course. Why would mainline mgt pay you double to do the
same job you're doing today?

Well then they can’t get more RJs lol. Can’t have it both ways.

SoFloFlyer
04-19-2018, 08:46 PM
Or we could do away with regionals and just have everyone at mainline 😁

msprj2
04-20-2018, 04:55 AM
Well then they can’t get more RJs lol. Can’t have it both ways.

They don’t want more, just bigger and more efficient.
No one at mainline “pilots and mgt” want you or the 76 seaters there. Pilots want the guys from their unit there. Mgt wants you at their regional for 5 years then you’re free to go.