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Falcondrivr
04-20-2018, 10:50 AM
As the pax were deplaning, I assume a jumpseating FO (I assume he was jumpseating as the pax were still deplaning) stopped at the turn point for the not-jetway and shook his head at us in our Falcon on the Customs ramp.
If anyone knows who it was, I’d be interested to hear what his beef was.


disco inferno
04-20-2018, 11:31 AM
Sounds like it was probably Richard Major or Hugh Jass.

Coehill
04-20-2018, 12:56 PM
Wow sensitive much? maybe he was shaking his head that he forgot his cell phone. How were you so certain he was shaking his head at you?


Beretta01
04-20-2018, 12:58 PM
As the pax were deplaning, I assume a jumpseating FO (I assume he was jumpseating as the pax were still deplaning) stopped at the turn point for the not-jetway and shook his head at us in our Falcon on the Customs ramp.
If anyone knows who it was, I’d be interested to hear what his beef was.

What’s your theory on what his “beef” was? It couldn’t possibly be that a head shake was directed towards a question from the ground crew.........

trip
04-20-2018, 01:19 PM
As the pax were deplaning, I assume a jumpseating FO (I assume he was jumpseating as the pax were still deplaning) stopped at the turn point for the not-jetway and shook his head at us in our Falcon on the Customs ramp.
If anyone knows who it was, I’d be interested to hear what his beef was.

So pilots can't get out until PAX have all deplaned? I'm guessing he didn't even notice your Falcon jet (no offense) and had bigger problems he was dealing with, like wheel chairs, fuel, post flight, customs procedures, lavs, etc...

labbats
04-20-2018, 01:41 PM
Whenever I deplane and see a Falcon jet I try and make eye contact as I point at their plane... when that is established I give them a thumbs down. I can’t even print what I do to Citation jets.

2StgTurbine
04-20-2018, 02:19 PM
Ramp fight!!!

The Ocho Libre
04-20-2018, 02:31 PM
He was probably looking at the air conditioning hose with the standard 90 degree kink in it allowing zero air to flow while the air cart screamed for its life. In all fairness the kink doesn't really matter when the big hole in the line downstream would let the air out anyway.

wilco811
04-20-2018, 05:02 PM
As the pax were deplaning, I assume a jumpseating FO (I assume he was jumpseating as the pax were still deplaning) stopped at the turn point for the not-jetway and shook his head at us in our Falcon on the Customs ramp.
If anyone knows who it was, I’d be interested to hear what his beef was.

You must be awesome to fly with.

Falcondrivr
04-20-2018, 05:08 PM
It was clearly directed at us. Those familiar with the PIE ramp will know that he was probably 40-50 feet away? He made a point of stopping, looking directly into our cockpit as we were starting up, and giving the slow, condescending head shake. Simultaneously, both of us said: “what’s that guy issue?”
And seriously, asking in case we are violating some SOP that Allegiant has about nearby aircraft or something. Aft pax had to be held by ground crew until we were clear.
We all share the airport.

EALOFFSPRING
04-20-2018, 05:28 PM
I know who it was, and I think you answered your own question. Move along.

Falcondrivr
04-20-2018, 05:37 PM
I know who it was, and I think you answered your own question. Move along.

Tell him PM would be ok. We are probably the second biggest operator at PIE. We all need to get along.
That’s a tight ramp. Your ground crew did a great job of signaling that they would hold your pax until we were clear.

2StgTurbine
04-20-2018, 06:06 PM
Maybe you left your wing inspection lights on and he was just disappointed in you.

Beretta01
04-20-2018, 07:23 PM
We are probably the second biggest operator at PIE.

The amount of hurt feelings and assumptions in this thread is cringeworthy. Unless your name is Sun Country, SunWing, the USCG, or ATP, I don’t think you even made it to the top 5.

Falcondrivr
04-20-2018, 08:06 PM
The amount of hurt feelings and assumptions in this thread is cringeworthy. Unless your name is Sun Country, SunWing, the USCG, or ATP, I don’t think you even made it to the top 5.
I guess it depends on how you define “biggest.” We we larger than Allegiant and all of the companies you list combined in employees and gross annual revenue. (No data for the USCG.)

disco inferno
04-20-2018, 08:49 PM
I guess it depends on how you define “biggest.” We we larger than Allegiant and all of the companies you list combined in employees and gross annual revenue. (No data for the USCG.)
Cool story bro!

Acehole
04-21-2018, 03:23 AM
I guess it depends on how you define “biggest.” We we larger than Allegiant and all of the companies you list combined in employees and gross annual revenue. (No data for the USCG.)
After reading this, I am starting to figure out what he was shaking his head at....
Because, I too just shook my head at this response.

Beretta01
04-21-2018, 04:08 AM
I guess it depends on how you define “biggest.” We we larger than Allegiant and all of the companies you list combined in employees and gross annual revenue. (No data for the USCG.)

Please tell my you fly for Delta Private Jets and tell everyone you’re a “Delta” pilot....I’m begging you 😂

Falcondrivr
04-21-2018, 06:16 AM
Once again, in an effort to be a good ramp neighbor, I was seriously looking for constructive info on what we might have done to offend his sensibilities.

My feelings aren’t hurt. It’s not about the size of the company. No, we aren’t managed by any management company. Not everyone who is on the internet is looking for an argument.

HighWingingIt
04-21-2018, 07:41 AM
More than likely Elite Air. Miss seeing DJ on that ramp.


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ecam
04-21-2018, 07:45 AM
My feelings aren’t hurt. It’s not about the size of the company. No, we aren’t managed by any management company. Not everyone who is on the internet is looking for an argument.

Holy butthurt Batman!

Wow dude if you're that self conscious and narcissistic that you think everyone is talking about you and everyone concerns their business about you, maybe you should run for president.

Maybe he was annoyed that you parked your toy jet in the middle of the ramp and took your sweet ass time just to prove your point. You definitely seem like the type that would since you actually took the time to come on here and make a thing out of it. But you didn't come here looking for an argument.

So my question is who was the one failing to share the ramp? Sounds like you inconvenienced them much more than they inconvenienced you. Had I been there i'd have probably shook my head and given you a one finger salute Mr Big Shot Netjets Guy.

I hear TPA has customs too.

The Ocho Libre
04-21-2018, 07:59 AM
This thread, wow guys, relax. The guy was just curious about what he may have done to offend one of our guys.

So many here all wound up. Go work out, take a bike ride or something. The guy is a fellow aviator, he isn't management.

ecam
04-21-2018, 08:07 AM
This thread, wow guys, relax. The guy was just curious about what he may have done to offend one of our guys.

So many here all wound up. Go work out, take a bike ride or something. The guy is a fellow aviator, he isn't management.

I dunno, maybe everyone around here is a little sensitive to criticism right now. Probably not a good time for him to be picking fights of such a minor issue.

EALOFFSPRING
04-21-2018, 04:00 PM
Go work out... he isn't management.[/QUOTE]

😂😂😂 Thank you. I needed that!

tom11011
04-21-2018, 05:01 PM
If he was jumpseating, how do you know it was allegiant?

Falcondrivr
04-21-2018, 05:15 PM
If he was jumpseating, how do you know it was allegiant?

That’s a good point. I don’t know who he works for. I guess I figured he cares enough about the operation to try to make his displeasure known. He probably works there. Could be anyone really, even one of us dirty Part 91 types in our toy jets. Although, he was wearing a monkey suit with three stripes which is rare in the 91 world.

Beretta01
04-21-2018, 05:44 PM
http://i.imgur.com/sgz64H7.jpg

JustWatching
04-21-2018, 05:45 PM
That’s a good point. I don’t know who he works for. I guess I figured he cares enough about the operation to try to make his displeasure known. He probably works there. Could be anyone really, even one of us dirty Part 91 types in our toy jets. Although, he was wearing a monkey suit with three stripes which is rare in the 91 world.

I’m not familiar with PIE as I do my best to avoid the state of Florida, but most ramps where airlines park are controlled and GA airplanes are not allowed per TSA rules. Is this not the case in PIE?

Also, I would suggest everyone head to UPorn and get your chill out on.

Falcondrivr
04-21-2018, 05:59 PM
I’m not familiar with PIE as I do my best to avoid the state of Florida, but most ramps where airlines park are controlled and GA airplanes are not allowed per TSA rules. Is this not the case in PIE?

Also, I would suggest everyone head to UPorn and get your chill out on.

The customs ramp at PIE is a small box in the middle of the terminal with Allegiant gates on either side. Arriving international GA airplanes have to pull into the box, clear customs, and then reposition to one of the FBO ramps.

JustWatching
04-21-2018, 06:00 PM
The customs ramp at PIE is a small box in the middle of the terminal with Allegiant gates on either side. Arriving international GA airplanes have to pull into the box, clear customs, and then reposition to one of the FBO ramps.


Interesting. Thx.

KSCessnaDriver
04-21-2018, 06:09 PM
Interesting. Thx.

PHX used to have the "customs box" over on the UPS ramp. Wasn't uncommon to see a Citation or something sitting there.

ColdWhiskey
04-21-2018, 06:34 PM
......40-50 feet away? He made a point of stopping, looking directly into our cockpit as we were starting up, and giving the slow, condescending head shake....

Maybe you started engines when he was walking close by with no hearing protection???

hyde
04-21-2018, 06:46 PM
Maybe you started engines when he was walking close by with no hearing protection???

Maybe he always wanted to fly a falconjet (seriously don't even know what that is) but things didnt work out and he got stuck flying a bus. Can this thread die now? Falcondriver, the application window is reopening. When you get a job at g4 you can shake your head at all the wn jets just in case cheers is flying one of them

ecam
04-22-2018, 07:59 AM
That’s a good point. I don’t know who he works for. I guess I figured he cares enough about the operation to try to make his displeasure known. He probably works there. Could be anyone really, even one of us dirty Part 91 types in our toy jets. Although, he was wearing a monkey suit with three stripes which is rare in the 91 world.

Not that this discussion wasn't already the second dumbest thing to hit the site this week, but here at allegiant, we usually tell our FOs to go home as soon as the door opens. No reason for them to hang around unless they want to. Go home to your family. So it probably was the FO who hurt your fragile ego by having THE AUDACITY to shake his head at you in your mighty 8 seat falcon jet after you inconvenienced a hundred or so passengers.

dawgdriver
04-22-2018, 08:24 AM
This thread, wow guys, relax. The guy was just curious about what he may have done to offend one of our guys.

So many here all wound up. Go work out, take a bike ride or something. The guy is a fellow aviator, he isn't management.

^^^this^^^

Appears your post has fallen on a predictable set of deaf and angry ears. I don't understand the unwarranted, over-reactive and insulting tone towards this guy either. Nice day, a bike ride is definitely in order.

Falcondrivr
04-22-2018, 06:32 PM
Not that this discussion wasn't already the second dumbest thing to hit the site this week, but here at allegiant, we usually tell our FOs to go home as soon as the door opens. No reason for them to hang around unless they want to. Go home to your family. So it probably was the FO who hurt your fragile ego by having THE AUDACITY to shake his head at you in your mighty 8 seat falcon jet after you inconvenienced a hundred or so passengers.
Clearly, something in my post has offended you. I sincerely reiterate that I was trying to connect with the guy and hopefully have an exchange where maybe something was learned on both sides.
If you are PIE based, I’d welcome the opportunity to buy you a beverage of choice and maybe the same could happen?
I live in the Hyde Park/Soho area in South Tampa. Shoot me a PM. Brandt Meyer can verify that I’m not a gay stalker. Lol.

JustWatching
04-23-2018, 08:09 PM
Clearly, something in my post has offended you. I sincerely reiterate that I was trying to connect with the guy and hopefully have an exchange where maybe something was learned on both sides.
If you are PIE based, I’d welcome the opportunity to buy you a beverage of choice and maybe the same could happen?
I live in the Hyde Park/Soho area in South Tampa. Shoot me a PM. Brandt Meyer can verify that I’m not a gay stalker. Lol.

Don’t let anything Ecam writes bother you. He’s the resident grumpy old man and I don’t think he’s been eating his bran muffins lately.

JetPilotMike
04-26-2018, 03:12 AM
Maybe Allegiant should pony up for some jetbridges. Then, they won't have to be inconvenienced by GA airplanes at GA airports.

sqwkvfr
04-26-2018, 06:26 AM
Maybe Allegiant should pony up for some jetbridges. Then, they won't have to be inconvenienced by GA airplanes at GA airports.

You wanna tell me the name of even one American airline that owns even one jetbridge at even one airport, genius?

hyde
04-26-2018, 12:25 PM
I hear frontier is going to buy united when they declare bankruptcy at the year. Sure we can get some bridges on the cheap then

JetPilotMike
04-26-2018, 05:39 PM
I hear frontier is going to buy united when they declare bankruptcy at the year. Sure we can get some bridges on the cheap then

At what year?

hyde
04-26-2018, 09:55 PM
At what year?

How the hell am i supposed to know what year. Guess it depends on how many more beaten minorities, murdered pets, and failed attempts at being a LCC.

JustWatching
04-27-2018, 01:40 PM
Maybe Allegiant should pony up for some jetbridges. Then, they won't have to be inconvenienced by GA airplanes at GA airports.

Jetbridges cause aircraft damage and unneeded delays when they break.... or so they say.

sailingfun
05-01-2018, 08:03 AM
You wanna tell me the name of even one American airline that owns even one jetbridge at even one airport, genius?

Most are not owned but rather leased. Either way you are ponying up for the cost. In many cases airlines have had to pay for the actual cost to install or renovate.

sqwkvfr
05-01-2018, 12:32 PM
Most are not owned but rather leased. Either way you are ponying up for the cost. In many cases airlines have had to pay for the actual cost to install or renovate.

Many? As in rarely? As in never?

Thanks for education, professor, but that was kinda my point. Jetbridges are owned by the airport or it’s authority. Allegiant (or any ULCC or LCC for that matter) doesn’t “pony up” for jetbridges, particularly at an airport like PIE where only two of what, 14 or 15 gates have them and the cost would exceed $9 million just to buy the things...that doesn’t include the renovation required to install them or the fact that there just isn’t enough terminal building to install enough to cover every parking spot.

So, “ponying up for jetbridges” doesn’t happen anywhere, is cost prohibitive and physically impossible at PIE.

But thanks for the advice. :rolleyes:

Baradium
05-01-2018, 02:32 PM
You wanna tell me the name of even one American airline that owns even one jetbridge at even one airport, genius?



Many? As in rarely? As in never?

Thanks for education, professor, but that was kinda my point. Jetbridges are owned by the airport or it’s authority. Allegiant (or any ULCC or LCC for that matter) doesn’t “pony up” for jetbridges, particularly at an airport like PIE where only two of what, 14 or 15 gates have them and the cost would exceed $9 million just to buy the things...that doesn’t include the renovation required to install them or the fact that there just isn’t enough terminal building to install enough to cover every parking spot.

So, “ponying up for jetbridges” doesn’t happen anywhere, is cost prohibitive and physically impossible at PIE.

But thanks for the advice. :rolleyes:


You understand that new jetbridges can be installed and can actually be pretty long to get to further away spots, right?

And yes, ponying up for jetbridges does happen. American just paid to have additional jetbridges installed on their dime at ORD. Delta pays for them as well, some of the bridges themselves are physically owned by Delta although generally speaking the spot they are in is likely leased (it is possible for an airline to actually own a terminal itself and jetbridge outright). They are paying a good deal of money for new terminals and additional jet bridges at multiple major airports right now.

You can usually see a data plate or license somewhere on the jetbridge as you enter that details its status. A bridge that has an airline's name on the certificate or data plate is owned by that airline. Some are held by holding companies or other secondary means though so it can be hard to decipher those.


I know Delta and Alaska both have physical ownership of jet bridges and terminal facilities. I am confident American does the same and believe United is in the same situation.

Some airports that only have 1 or 2 jetbridges have them because a given airline paid for them and has exclusive rights (or as I said owns the physical bridge itself outright). Bridges are installed, they are not permanent features that cannot be removed. In fact, bridges have even been moved between different airports by owning airlines.

Your condescending attitude wouldn't be quite so bad if you weren't completely wrong about what you're asserting.

sqwkvfr
05-01-2018, 07:54 PM
You understand that new jetbridges can be installed and can actually be pretty long to get to further away spots, right?

And yes, ponying up for jetbridges does happen. American just paid to have additional jetbridges installed on their dime at ORD. Delta pays for them as well, some of the bridges themselves are physically owned by Delta although generally speaking the spot they are in is likely leased (it is possible for an airline to actually own a terminal itself and jetbridge outright). They are paying a good deal of money for new terminals and additional jet bridges at multiple major airports right now.

You can usually see a data plate or license somewhere on the jetbridge as you enter that details its status. A bridge that has an airline's name on the certificate or data plate is owned by that airline. Some are held by holding companies or other secondary means though so it can be hard to decipher those.


I know Delta and Alaska both have physical ownership of jet bridges and terminal facilities. I am confident American does the same and believe United is in the same situation.

Some airports that only have 1 or 2 jetbridges have them because a given airline paid for them and has exclusive rights (or as I said owns the physical bridge itself outright). Bridges are installed, they are not permanent features that cannot be removed. In fact, bridges have even been moved between different airports by owning airlines.

Your condescending attitude wouldn't be quite so bad if you weren't completely wrong about what you're asserting.

I appreciate your explanation. In my eagerness to response to a snarky comment, I was quick to jump.

Regardless, I really doubt that Allegiant is not gonna blow $9 Million+ on something that management sees as unnecessary. Such an investment would also give secondary airports the sense that Allegiant is more likely to stay when our management likes to leverage the possibility of moving to that metro area’s primary airport in order to get what they want.

ecam
05-02-2018, 06:27 AM
You understand that new jetbridges can be installed and can actually be pretty long to get to further away spots, right?

And yes, ponying up for jetbridges does happen. American just paid to have additional jetbridges installed on their dime at ORD. Delta pays for them as well, some of the bridges themselves are physically owned by Delta although generally speaking the spot they are in is likely leased (it is possible for an airline to actually own a terminal itself and jetbridge outright). They are paying a good deal of money for new terminals and additional jet bridges at multiple major airports right now.

You can usually see a data plate or license somewhere on the jetbridge as you enter that details its status. A bridge that has an airline's name on the certificate or data plate is owned by that airline. Some are held by holding companies or other secondary means though so it can be hard to decipher those.


I know Delta and Alaska both have physical ownership of jet bridges and terminal facilities. I am confident American does the same and believe United is in the same situation.

Some airports that only have 1 or 2 jetbridges have them because a given airline paid for them and has exclusive rights (or as I said owns the physical bridge itself outright). Bridges are installed, they are not permanent features that cannot be removed. In fact, bridges have even been moved between different airports by owning airlines.

Your condescending attitude wouldn't be quite so bad if you weren't completely wrong about what you're asserting.

Anyone else catch the irony of a long condescending post ending with a lecture about being condescending?

I'm really glad the almighty Big 4 and even some ULCCs "pony up" for jet bridges. They also have a completely different business models and cost structures than we do. We are also the nations's most profitable airline and all of them are behind us. So I guess we pick our battles more wisely.

As far as I can tell, we actually DO use jet bridges at most of the out stations, or at least the ones I fly to most. Only a handful of the smaller airports (especially out west) with no other air service don't provide them. It would be a dumb investment for a place with only 2-3 flights a week no? The only bases that don't have them are IWA PIE and PGD mostly because these places already have 10 pounds of crap in a 5 pound bag and couldn't accommodate jetways without major renovations. When you're the only airline operating at an airport, that cost and operational burden falls on you. So allegiant picks their battles wisely. In my experience, the passengers like getting on a plane in some miserable frozen place, then strolling across a sunny warm ramp a few hours later at the destination. And flew over your hub doing it! :D

It still surprises me how many of you big shots at legacy airlines feel the need to throw rocks at us and belittle us as "not a real airline" even over something as asinine as jetways. We fly the same airplanes and put our pants on one leg at a time. So why do pilots like to think they are better than other pilots because off the company they work for.

dawgdriver
05-02-2018, 08:42 AM
Yes, because we don't need lectures about being condescending.

Falcondrivr
05-02-2018, 11:33 AM
It still surprises me how many of you big shots at legacy airlines feel the need to throw rocks at us and belittle us as "not a real airline" even over something as asinine as jetways. We fly the same airplanes and put our pants on one leg at a time. So why do pilots like to think they are better than other pilots because off the company they work for.
Did you mean to say:
It still surprises me how many of you big shots at airlines feel the need to throw rocks at us and belittle us as "not a real pilot" even over something as asinine as number of seats. We fly high performance airplanes that require a high level of professionalism, precision, and skill. We put our pants on one leg at a time. So why do pilots like to think they are better than other pilots because off the size of the airplane they fly?

ecam
05-02-2018, 11:42 AM
Did you mean to say:
It still surprises me how many of you big shots at airlines feel the need to throw rocks at us and belittle us as "not a real pilot" even over something as asinine as number of seats. We fly high performance airplanes that require a high level of professionalism, precision, and skill. We put our pants on one leg at a time. So why do pilots like to think they are better than other pilots because off the size of the airplane they fly?

No I made fun of you for coming on a forum and whining about someone shaking their head, possibly in your direction. Get it straight.

hyde
05-02-2018, 12:13 PM
Did you mean to say:
It still surprises me how many of you big shots at airlines feel the need to throw rocks at us and belittle us as "not a real pilot" even over something as asinine as number of seats. We fly high performance airplanes that require a high level of professionalism, precision, and skill. We put our pants on one leg at a time. So why do pilots like to think they are better than other pilots because off the size of the airplane they fly?

I know the guy that shook his head at you. I told him not to do it any more. He said he was sorry. Lets move on. However, if a girl ever tells you size doesn't matter she is just trying to make you feel good.

Falcondrivr
05-02-2018, 12:42 PM
No I made fun of you for coming on a forum and whining about someone shaking their head, possibly in your direction. Get it straight.

I’m just pointing out that you may lack the ability to empathize perspective. I’m not the one whining about feeling inferior to legacy pilots.
You think the legacy airline guys look down on you because it’s you that feels that way. It’s demonstrated in your posts in this thread.
Consider that there are probably legacy guys that look at Allegiant, and think: Hmmm, decent pay, home every night, newish Airbi, what’s not to like?
Conversely, there are some Fortune 200 part 91 guys that look at it say: “Ew, I heard you have to buy your own dinner.”
The guys that actually DO look down on you, are just being like you. I like to think they are in the minority. Because I agree with you that we all put our pants on one leg at a time, and try to maintain the highest level of professionalism and respect for each other.

crxpilot
05-02-2018, 01:01 PM
Most people I see get a kick out of walking out near the plane. They always want to take a picture by it or just “have a look” as they wait in line. Kinda like the old days when airline flying was still a little mysterious. Of course every so often theres some rain that wont let up but all in all its good and people enjoy the blast of warm air as they walk off that they flew down for in the first place.

disco inferno
05-02-2018, 01:01 PM
Wow! I am blown away this retarded thread has made it to 6 pages. Can we kill this thread now? It's going nowhere.

Falcondrivr
05-02-2018, 01:04 PM
I know the guy that shook his head at you. I told him not to do it any more. He said he was sorry. Lets move on. However, if a girl ever tells you size doesn't matter she is just trying to make you feel good.

Yeah, but it’s relative. Thank god ive got a small wife.

tyler durden
05-02-2018, 09:25 PM
Did you mean to say:
It still surprises me how many of you big shots at airlines feel the need to throw rocks at us and belittle us as "not a real pilot" even over something as asinine as number of seats. We fly high performance airplanes that require a high level of professionalism, precision, and skill. We put our pants on one leg at a time. So why do pilots like to think they are better than other pilots because off the size of the airplane they fly?

No I made fun of you for coming on a forum and whining about someone shaking their head, possibly in your direction. Get it straight.

Looking at these posts, it appears Falcon did get it straight.

Holy butthurt Batman!

Maybe he was annoyed that you parked your toy jet in the middle of the ramp and took your sweet ass time just to prove your point. You definitely seem like the type that would since you actually took the time to come on here and make a thing out of it. But you didn't come here looking for an argument.

...Had I been there i'd have probably shook my head and given you a one finger salute Mr Big Shot Netjets Guy.

So it probably was the FO who hurt your fragile ego by having THE AUDACITY to shake his head at you in your mighty 8 seat falcon jet after you inconvenienced a hundred or so passengers.

As to the other 'size' concerns, some recommend marrying a woman with small hands.

Agree with Disco, this is a tired argument that should have died several pages ago, moving along.



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