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Homeskool40
04-24-2018, 12:20 AM
I keep seeing in the skywest threads that your reserve rules suck. Can some one give me details and what are your current reserve times for your junior FO bases (DTW, ORD, MSP etc.)?


AFSOCFlyr
04-24-2018, 09:44 AM
Also what is so bad about the reserve/commute rules? Thanks


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hawk21
04-25-2018, 09:46 AM
I sat reserve for two weeks in ORD on the CRJ.


RemoveB4Flight
04-25-2018, 11:21 AM
I keep seeing in the skywest threads that your reserve rules suck. Can some one give me details and what are your current reserve times for your junior FO bases (DTW, ORD, MSP etc.)?

Reserve at Skywest is a nightmare now. Thankfully I am not reserve but I know people who are and the new reserve rules are completely destroying their QOL.
What you keep reading about is likely in reference to the new stunt the company has started pulling which is assigning trips to people outside of their reserve period. So if you are scheduled 9 am- 9 pm reserve, ordinarily the earliest you would have to answer your phone would be 9 am, receive a 2 hour call out, and report at 11 am. Now that time means absolutely nothing. They have been giving 5 am report times to those guys and considering them “automatically notified”.
This is terrible for commuters who would ordinarily be able to commute in before 9 am but now have to come the night before, lose a day off and pay for a hotel.

Check Complete
04-25-2018, 01:22 PM
I will admit I'm not on reserve, but from those I've talked with that have been on reserve for a while, it is really a living hell. And as another poster mentioned, it recently has gotten much worse. I know of a few people that are all out quitting SkyWest with out another job because of how bad the QOL is.

The brain donors at SAPA wrote a new reserve function that was supposed to improve reserve life, well it was so poorly written the company took immediate advantage of it. Basically a reserve day begins at midnight and goes until midnight of your last day. The company doesn't call you, now you have to check your schedule the day before and plan accordingly. It appears there is no turning back as the company loves it, even though they know what the pilot groups thinks of it. We are short of pilots and more pilots are leaving than we can hire, and we are supposed to have record hours through the summer.

I've been called each of the last few days I've had off. This place is having some hard times!

barj
04-25-2018, 04:17 PM
Any word on how these new reserve rules are working out for pilots who live in base?

Check Complete
04-25-2018, 04:56 PM
Any word on how these new reserve rules are working out for pilots who live in base?

You might have been awarded your reserve availability period from 9am to 9pm, which before meant the earliest they could call was 9a for a 11a showtime. Now, they can have you show at 4am and you have to check the night before. Basically they have you for the entire 24 hour period of each day of reserve. Company loves it!

And I think there's no going back!

SirLurksalot
04-25-2018, 05:25 PM
You might have been awarded your reserve availability period from 9am to 9pm, which before meant the earliest they could call was 9a for a 11a showtime. Now, they can have you show at 4am and you have to check the night before. Basically they have you for the entire 24 hour period of each day of reserve. Company loves it!

And I think there's no going back!

The company got another arm of the company to pass something like this? No kidding.

So how was it written to where this is allowed but nobody in your pilot group realized it?

Excargodog
04-25-2018, 05:45 PM
You might have been awarded your reserve availability period from 9am to 9pm, which before meant the earliest they could call was 9a for a 11a showtime. Now, they can have you show at 4am and you have to check the night before. Basically they have you for the entire 24 hour period of each day of reserve. Company loves it!

And I think there's no going back!

So seriously, in this environment, are your junior people - the ones actually sitting reserve because they don't have enough seniority to hold a line - going to stay? It would seem like they would have relatively little to lose by taking their type ratings and the 121 hours they already have accumulated and putting applications out to other regionals with better QOL. Or are they encumbered by some sort of training contract?

N1234
04-25-2018, 06:58 PM
The company got another arm of the company to pass something like this? No kidding.

So how was it written to where this is allowed but nobody in your pilot group realized it?

I hate to say it but our "student council" was simply asleep at the wheel. There is a lot of maneuvering going on right now where people responsible for this debacle are coming up with some lame excuses. Bottom line - they screwed up - full stop.

And unfortunately, there really seems to be no going back.

rnfnr
04-25-2018, 07:08 PM
So seriously, in this environment, are your junior people - the ones actually sitting reserve because they don't have enough seniority to hold a line - going to stay? It would seem like they would have relatively little to lose by taking their type ratings and the 121 hours they already have accumulated and putting applications out to other regionals with better QOL. Or are they encumbered by some sort of training contract?

No contract. I'm not sure what's holding them back;
maybe they live in base, and would have to commute
at a different regional?

These new reserve rules came into play after I became a
lineholder as an FO. It's unfortunate that these rules are
what's going to dictate when I choose to upgrade.
If I do end up staying here, I'm definitely going to hold off
on the upgrade until I can hold a line as a CA.

AFSOCFlyr
04-25-2018, 09:48 PM
To me it seems like an odd move for them to make when it is a pilots’ (job) market


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Cazadores
04-25-2018, 11:38 PM
To me it seems like an odd move for them to make when it is a pilots’ (job) market


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkIt does, but management has shown complete arrogance and zero respect for pilots, and the pilots have done nothing to force management to take them seriously.

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Homeskool40
04-26-2018, 02:04 AM
Thanks for the info. It really does sound like the reserve rules suck for commuters. I guess the name of the game would be to get off reserve asap. What are you guys seeing for time on reserve in ORD, MSP, and DEN? I am a mid westerner so those would be my top 3.

Homeskool40
04-26-2018, 03:08 AM
Also, can you talk about pay IE deadhead pay, cancellation pay, premium pay as well as family health insurance. Thanks again for the dialogue.

LAX2MSP
04-26-2018, 04:22 AM
Also, can you talk about pay IE deadhead pay, cancellation pay, premium pay as well as family health insurance. Thanks again for the dialogue.

Reserve in MSP is getting a bit longer I think now that they’ve sent some classes here initially and now they’re completing IOE. Couldn’t give you an actual timeframe but I’d say at least 4 months after training.

Deadhead pay is 100%

Cancellation pay is 100%

Premium pay referring to “overtime” had kind of gone away with this embarassing new reserve rule as well. It used to be that an open time trip 72 hours before it started would pay 150% but now it just pays normal 90% of the time.

I would also highly encourage you to never pick up company open time and instead look at crew member posted trips of you really feel the need to work more.

Reserve aside, this place is truly is bad shape. You’d be smart to steer clear of here. 3 months in a row now I have been awarded >95hrs of flying.. for CFIs and others out there, I know that sounds exciting, but it’s not. Trust me. The pay here is industry trailing. Upgrades have even been slowed down quite a bit because we don’t have enough FOs.

I rarely post but am happy to answer any questions. PM or reply

Homeskool40
04-26-2018, 09:53 AM
Thanks for the detailed info. Unfortunately if I went by what I have read on APC forums I would never even consider this a career. This is supposed to be a great time to get into the airlines but every company forum I go to sounds like it is “the worst” regional out there. I get it, regionals suck in general but I am willing to suck for a couple years to earn my way. I am a 15 year guard guy with two deployments and probably one more. I can’t think of anything sucking more than being stuck where I am and away from my family for a year straight. Just my thoughts. I do appreciate all the feed back.

zondaracer
04-26-2018, 12:39 PM
Thanks for the detailed info. Unfortunately if I went by what I have read on APC forums I would never even consider this a career. This is supposed to be a great time to get into the airlines but every company forum I go to sounds like it is “the worst” regional out there. I get it, regionals suck in general but I am willing to suck for a couple years to earn my way. I am a 15 year guard guy with two deployments and probably one more. I can’t think of anything sucking more than being stuck where I am and away from my family for a year straight. Just my thoughts. I do appreciate all the feed back.

I was prior active duty. This is way better than my time in the service.

brocklee9000
04-26-2018, 02:31 PM
No contract. I'm not sure what's holding them back;
maybe they live in base, and would have to commute
at a different regional?

These new reserve rules came into play after I became a
lineholder as an FO. It's unfortunate that these rules are
what's going to dictate when I choose to upgrade.
If I do end up staying here, I'm definitely going to hold off
on the upgrade until I can hold a line as a CA.

Many of my friends and acquaintances have gone to Skywest. The big draw is that for a lot of them, they are from Utah and/or want to live there. In recent months, several of my close friends have all gone to Skywest after working as CFIs at a certain school in Arizona, so they're getting that tuition reimbursement. Some of those guys are single so they live at home and commute to their base (which, based on some of the reserve shenanigans, means they sometimes end up all over the place).

But ignoring aspects like wanting to live in a particular base or get a tuition reimbursement, I can't help but think they all go there (and put up with everything) simply because they don't know any better. If you don't know anyone who has worked there for more than a year or two, and you don't read forums like this (with a grain of salt, of course), and you don't compare QOL at all other carriers, they have nothing to compare it to. They get assigned ORD and hope to get SLC some day, they just slough through reserve and everything else, because this is their first real job.

SirLurksalot
04-26-2018, 04:04 PM
I hate to say it but our "student council" was simply asleep at the wheel. There is a lot of maneuvering going on right now where people responsible for this debacle are coming up with some lame excuses. Bottom line - they screwed up - full stop.

And unfortunately, there really seems to be no going back.

Could you answer my question? Genuine curiousity

rnfnr
04-26-2018, 04:48 PM
Many of my friends and acquaintances have gone to Skywest. The big draw is that for a lot of them, they are from Utah and/or want to live there. In recent months, several of my close friends have all gone to Skywest after working as CFIs at a certain school in Arizona, so they're getting that tuition reimbursement. Some of those guys are single so they live at home and commute to their base (which, based on some of the reserve shenanigans, means they sometimes end up all over the place).

But ignoring aspects like wanting to live in a particular base or get a tuition reimbursement, I can't help but think they all go there (and put up with everything) simply because they don't know any better. If you don't know anyone who has worked there for more than a year or two, and you don't read forums like this (with a grain of salt, of course), and you don't compare QOL at all other carriers, they have nothing to compare it to. They get assigned ORD and hope to get SLC some day, they just slough through reserve and everything else, because this is their first real job.

Well said, I agree with you 100%.

Just another reason why I wish we would restrict newhire
voting eligibility...even further beyond the completion of IOE.

Homeskool40
04-30-2018, 04:06 AM
Thanks everyone for the replies and pm’s. On this last bid round, how long would it take to hold a line in DENor MSP in the CRJ?

rnfnr
05-02-2018, 03:51 PM
Thanks everyone for the replies and pm’s. On this last bid round, how long would it take to hold a line in DENor MSP in the CRJ?

According to skywest.com..

DEN - 8 months
MSP - 3 months

oldman60
06-06-2018, 11:27 PM
Federal Register
/ Vol. 78, No. 43 / Tuesday, March 5, 2013 / Rules and Regulations

"During a rest period, a crewmember
must be free from all restraint by the
certificate holder.
If a crewmember is
required to do something by the
certificate holder, then that
crewmember is not free from all
restraint, and that crewmember is not on
a valid rest period. Accordingly, a
certificate holder cannot require a
flightcrew member to perform any tasks
during a rest period, including tasks
such as checking the schedule/calendar,
checking a text message, or checking an
email message.
However, if a flightcrew member
performs a task of his/her own volition
without being required to perform the
task by the certificate holder, then that
task is not a restraint imposed by the
certificate holder. Thus, it is permissible
for a flightcrew member to voluntarily
decide to check the schedule/calendar
during his or her rest period. We
emphasize, however, that a flightcrew
member’s decision to perform a task
during a rest period must be entirely
voluntary."


By the way.....I got this directly from the SWOL Info center under 117 docs.