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CaldwellGunner
04-24-2018, 05:30 AM
Ok I have an interview with ABX what do I need to know? I get it's a cargo carrier coming back again.
I worked for Evergreen.
and a defunct major.
What is schedule like?
Pay like?
Are you based in Wilmington?
What are you paying for our of pocket? Hotels,per diem
Thanks for info


Av8er1550
04-24-2018, 05:35 AM
Ok I have an interview with ABX what do I need to know? I get it's a cargo carrier coming back again.

I worked for Evergreen.

and a defunct major.

What is schedule like?

Pay like?

Are you based in Wilmington?

What are you paying for our of pocket? Hotels,per diem

Thanks for info



I used to work there but not as a pilot. Although I worked in the flight department so I picked up on quite a bit.

Schedule can be variable. Others may be able to provide a better insight on that. I hear you can be junior manned quite a bit.

Pay: 45k/first year

Based in CVG

You have to pay for hotel during training


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motorclutch
04-24-2018, 05:50 AM
Dear clueless, go to some of the ABX threads because thereís a wealth of information listed there. On the upside: if you can fog a mirror you can get hired, Soapy and gang destroyed any attraction for quality candidates.


CaldwellGunner
04-24-2018, 06:37 AM
I used to work there but not as a pilot. Although I worked in the flight department so I picked up on quite a bit.

Schedule can be variable. Others may be able to provide a better insight on that. I hear you can be junior manned quite a bit.

Pay: 45k/first year

Based in CVG

You have to pay for hotel during training


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Thanks for info seems like some disgruntled types think they know about it i appreciate your reply

CaldwellGunner
04-24-2018, 06:39 AM
Dear clueless, go to some of the ABX threads because thereís a wealth of information listed there. On the upside: if you can fog a mirror you can get hired, Soapy and gang destroyed any attraction for quality candidates.

From clueless... thanks I saw your previous post but disregarded it. There seems to be a doug downer at every company I wanted others opinions

BluePAX
04-24-2018, 06:55 AM
From clueless... thanks I saw your previous post but disregarded it. There seems to be a doug downer at every company I wanted others opinions

To be fair, he isnt the only one. Donít disregard everything in those threads as salty employees looking to vent. Just because you have an interview doesnít mean you have to ignore sentiment.

Having looked at all those threads and knowing folks employed there, if I were in your shoes I wouldnít take less than Kalitta, but thatís just me.

gumpscheck
04-24-2018, 07:04 AM
To be fair, he isnt the only one. Donít disregard everything in those threads as salty employees looking to vent. Just because you have an interview doesnít mean you have to ignore sentiment.

Having looked at all those threads and knowing folks employed there, if I were in your shoes I wouldnít take less than Kalitta, but thatís just me.

Do not ignore the advice. If you do decide to come, do it with your eyes wide open. Donít complain after you get hired. You were forewarned.

Like BluePax said; Kalitta is a better choice now. Donít know ignore it.

CaldwellGunner
04-24-2018, 07:16 AM
To be fair, he isnt the only one. Donít disregard everything in those threads as salty employees looking to vent. Just because you have an interview doesnít mean you have to ignore sentiment.

Having looked at all those threads and knowing folks employed there, if I were in your shoes I wouldnít take less than Kalitta, but thatís just me.

Thank you for your response. I get it. Having been stuck in the corporate jet world i never thought of Kalitta. They were the bottom
of the barrel when I was at Evergreen. Thanks for the info. Just looking to fly bigger equipment again.

gumpscheck
04-24-2018, 08:57 AM
Thank you for your response. I get it. Having been stuck in the corporate jet world i never thought of Kalitta. They were the bottom
of the barrel when I was at Evergreen. Thanks for the info. Just looking to fly bigger equipment again.

This is a new world. K4 is top dog.

CaldwellGunner
04-24-2018, 11:14 AM
This is a new world. K4 is top dog.

Thanks for your input

Twister5527
04-24-2018, 12:30 PM
Just looking to fly bigger equipment again.


Well if youíre willing to...
a. Take a pay cut
b. Pay for your own lodging and transportation during training
c. Sit on reserve for a minimum of a year (crash pad recommended)
d. Sit airport (hot) reserve for 12 hours at a time
e. Be involved in a toxic work environment
f. Have uncertain job security
...then by all means come aboard. And of course, night flying and all that jazz. Just know that all the pilots hired in 2016/17 (when they started hiring again) have their stuff out and are leaving left and right. That should tell you what you need to know. Oh and our most junior Captain was hired in 1996.
Iím not salty, just telling you what to expect if you make the decision to go through with it.

Cheers




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dera
04-24-2018, 01:55 PM
Oh and our most junior Captain was hired in 1996.


Would that make it the longest upgrade time of any airline, anywhere in the US?

johnny150
04-24-2018, 06:07 PM
Ok I have an interview with ABX what do I need to know? I get it's a cargo carrier coming back again.

I worked for Evergreen.

and a defunct major.

What is schedule like?

Pay like?

Are you based in Wilmington?

What are you paying for our of pocket? Hotels,per diem

Thanks for info


ABX is probably the worst airline to work for and if you come here you will not be happy. I wouldnít even interview if I were you.



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redmanchew
04-25-2018, 03:13 AM
Well if youíre willing to...
a. Take a pay cut
b. Pay for your own lodging and transportation during training
c. Sit on reserve for a minimum of a year (crash pad recommended)
d. Sit airport (hot) reserve for 12 hours at a time
e. Be involved in a toxic work environment
f. Have uncertain job security
...then by all means come aboard. And of course, night flying and all that jazz. Just know that all the pilots hired in 2016/17 (when they started hiring again) have their stuff out and are leaving left and right. That should tell you what you need to know. Oh and our most junior Captain was hired in 1996.
Iím not salty, just telling you what to expect if you make the decision to go through with it.

Cheers




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And this guy is putting it nicely^. This place is an absolute train wreck. The company will go out of their way and spend extra money to **** you off here and make you miserable. This is no exaggeration at all. Just one small example, a crew member had a deadhead as their last of a sequence and found a ticket directly home for 60$ but the company insisted on making him 3 leg it in a middle seat back to CVG and spent 870$. Needless to say he dropped it and went on his own.


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motorclutch
04-25-2018, 05:09 AM
Unfortunately you can't make this **** up. When your upper management doesn't have a clue as to how to run a company and the CEO allows substandard performance......what outcome do you expect?

Grundt
04-25-2018, 05:15 AM
Ok I have an interview with ABX what do I need to know? I get it's a cargo carrier coming back again.

I worked for Evergreen.

and a defunct major.

What is schedule like?

Pay like?

Are you based in Wilmington?

What are you paying for our of pocket? Hotels,per diem

Thanks for info



ABX is an ACMI carrier that happens to be possibly the only shrinking airline in the US. We are still in time out because of the strike in 2016 - all airplanes painted for Amazon go directly to ATI along with additional flying. We are threatened endlessly to take concessions on our already concessionary contract.

Schedule: 17 days a month, so 13 or 14 off depending on the month. Until you are junior manned...except for vacation, they can and will junior man you on any day. They donít care about your childís wedding or any other family event. So you have to call off fatigued, or if youíre home you never ever answer your phone.

Pay: About $52/hour first year, and it nearly doubles second year. 68 hour guarantee. Donít expect to break guarantee except for junior man pay.

Base: CVG

Paid Out of Pocket: hotel while in training, and let me tell you...thereís not much in the bustling metropolis of Wilmington, OH.

Hotels/Per Diem: Hotels are generally good. Domestic per diem is $52/day and international (not including Canada and Mexico) is $79.75/day.

We are in very contentious contract negotiations with no end in sight. The company has made no movement at all since our current president came on property a little over a year ago. Do what you want, but this place is a mess right now.

Hope this helps.

Industry Strnd
04-25-2018, 06:30 AM
Abx or ATI anyone who want want to work for either of these must not be very smart. Management hates pilots and has no idea how to treat employees!

motorclutch
04-25-2018, 06:54 AM
Soapy or Joe.....you guys getting any of this?

Industry Strnd
04-25-2018, 07:22 AM
Soapy or Joe.....you guys getting any of this?

I'd assume they could care less and are laughing. What's funny though is that regionals are paying huge retention and signing bonus raising pay and qol, the majors gave up the labor fight years ago and just paid up. ACMI seems to not look at any data on how many thousands of much better jobs are out there.

What's the long term plan to attract and retain? My guess is they don't have on other than Jr man, and try to run from the industry truth as long as possible.

Pilots these days have a ton of options and word spreads fast of what places take care of their pilots.

Management through fear, intimidation, and an outright disrespect for the union is a recipe for failure. They haven't even felt the heat yet of the majors hiring and 40% have quit, classes get pushed and unfilled.
The business can't succeed without pilots. I suspect the investment community will catch wind of the unfilled classes.

motorclutch
04-25-2018, 07:50 AM
I think they already have. Have you noticed the falling stock prices? There are big problems just under the surface.

BluePAX
04-25-2018, 09:11 AM
I think they already have. Have you noticed the falling stock prices? There are big problems just under the surface.

Is it insider trading if you start shorting these stocks based on knowledge of pilot shortage? :rolleyes:

CaldwellGunner
04-25-2018, 09:14 AM
ABX is an ACMI carrier that happens to be possibly the only shrinking airline in the US. We are still in time out because of the strike in 2016 - all airplanes painted for Amazon go directly to ATI along with additional flying. We are threatened endlessly to take concessions on our already concessionary contract.

Schedule: 17 days a month, so 13 or 14 off depending on the month. Until you are junior manned...except for vacation, they can and will junior man you on any day. They donít care about your childís wedding or any other family event. So you have to call off fatigued, or if youíre home you never ever answer your phone.

Pay: About $52/hour first year, and it nearly doubles second year. 68 hour guarantee. Donít expect to break guarantee except for junior man pay.

Base: CVG

Paid Out of Pocket: hotel while in training, and let me tell you...thereís not much in the bustling metropolis of Wilmington, OH.

Hotels/Per Diem: Hotels are generally good. Domestic per diem is $52/day and international (not including Canada and Mexico) is $79.75/day.

We are in very contentious contract negotiations with no end in sight. The company has made no movement at all since our current president came on property a little over a year ago. Do what you want, but this place is a mess right now.

Hope this helps.

Thank you for your response I was looking for honest opinions

Industry Strnd
04-25-2018, 09:36 AM
I think they already have. Have you noticed the falling stock prices? There are big problems just under the surface.

And if FedEx decides to just go ahead and allow Amazon to buy them. This place is a smoking hole. All the pilots will be employed in less than a week mean while shareholders
will be like wtf just happened!

nitefr8dog
04-25-2018, 03:21 PM
And if FedEx decides to just go ahead and allow Amazon to buy them. This place is a smoking hole. All the pilots will be employed in less than a week mean while shareholders
will be like wtf just happened!
Hahaha...."if Fedex decides to go ahead and allow Amazon to buy them".....now that is funny!

Reactivity
04-25-2018, 03:58 PM
Would that make it the longest upgrade time of any airline, anywhere in the US?

You have to understand the situation. This is an airline that went from 800 pilots to less than 200 and didn't hire in any significant numbers for many years. You've got the people who were hired in the mid-90s, then a few more recent than that, and then hiring started again in 2016.

Before it all fell apart, between the expected retirements and growth, upgrades were looking like three years or so.

Industry Strnd
04-26-2018, 08:04 PM
Jr Mann the norm
Restricts trades
Pays $100 for 2 weeks of online rgt
Can't agree to industry standard EFB LOA
Won't give pilots a new respectable contract
No growth plans
Sister carrier that crossed picket line and then Accepted industry worst contract
25 year upgrade
Email bids
Email open time trade requests that get denied
17 days of work in a row
Forced to work on your days off
Still think abx is a good idea?

No Land 3
04-27-2018, 01:44 AM
Jr Mann the norm
Restricts trades
Pays $100 for 2 weeks of online rgt
Can't agree to industry standard EFB LOA
Won't give pilots a new respectable contract
No growth plans
Sister carrier that crossed picket line and then Accepted industry worst contract
25 year upgrade
Email bids
Email open time trade requests that get denied
17 days of work in a row
Forced to work on your days off
Still think abx is a good idea?

Mesa sounds better than ABX...

atpcliff
04-27-2018, 02:11 AM
Omni's payrates are very high in their new contract. May be worth a look to see if you can get an interview there...
Kalitta and Omni are probably the two best in ACMI right now...

tiredofjrm
04-27-2018, 12:57 PM
They force you to work overtime and then refuse to pay you for it. Almost every single time Iíve had OT Iíve had to file a grievance. I have yet to lose a grievance. But itís total bs that you have to wait months to get paid for work they force you to do.

Do not come here unless youíre at a worse place.

redmanchew
04-27-2018, 01:48 PM
I don't know how there can be a worse place. Shrinking airline with constant threat of furlough directly from the president of the company's mouth. Can't even build heavy time at any decent rate as there's not much flying. Reserve is indefinite and upgrade is nonexistent. But at least you'll get to eat grungy cafeteria food when you do 17 hot reserve days in a row.


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Reactivity
04-27-2018, 02:15 PM
They force you to work overtime and then refuse to pay you for it. Almost every single time Iíve had OT Iíve had to file a grievance.

I've never had a problem. I've had a couple of non-matching bonus pay sheets as I figure out what's what, and at least one was non-matching in my favor. The company has even reimbursed me for significant expenses I didn't claim when they were listed on the same receipt along with expenses I did claim.

Reactivity
04-27-2018, 03:04 PM
I don't know how there can be a worse place. Shrinking airline with constant threat of furlough directly from the president of the company's mouth. Can't even build heavy time at any decent rate as there's not much flying. Reserve is indefinite and upgrade is nonexistent. But at least you'll get to eat grungy cafeteria food when you do 17 hot reserve days in a row.


OK. This place has problems, but let's not venture into the realm of the ridiculous.

1. There can be a worse place. One of my classmates came from one.

2. The furlough threat hasn't been heard in months, and we all knew it was ridiculous to begin with. The company has been actively hiring since the first of the year. There was a recent threat to displace captains which was quickly shut down by higher authority along with a directive to hire more.

3. It would be great if there was more flying, but we wouldn't be doing a lot of junior manning if there wasn't would we? I just did 19 days on reserve (17 plus an XRD and JRM) with only two R1s, and I've flown more than 500 hours in the last 12 months.

4. I spent a solid 11 months on reserve after IOE. Got a line month 12. Back on reserve this month, and a line next month. A couple of my classmates, when bidding less selectively than me, have had lines more frequently.

5. True, there have been no upgrades since January of last year. Further upgrades will depend on maintaining at least the current level of flying or better as retirements continue.

6. I'll be sure to let Bonnie know you don't like her cooking. Yes, the menu tends to be limited and not always fantastic, but her soups are pretty darn good.

7. Highly unlikely you will ever do 17 straight R1s. Some do more than others, and some locals actually bid them.

There are enough problems and reasons not to come here now without exaggerating.

Kougarok
04-27-2018, 04:00 PM
The AVI cafeteria sucks! I miss Moose in Liege... (Probably not how you spell his name. Maybe Meuse?)

FastHap
04-27-2018, 06:30 PM
The AVI cafeteria sucks! I miss Moose in Liege... (Probably not how you spell his name. Maybe Meuse?)
Moose could make a darn fine Dagobah!!

sherpster
04-28-2018, 07:43 AM
OK. This place has problems, but let's not venture into the realm of the ridiculous.

1. There can be a worse place. One of my classmates came from one.

2. The furlough threat hasn't been heard in months, and we all knew it was ridiculous to begin with. The company has been actively hiring since the first of the year. There was a recent threat to displace captains which was quickly shut down by higher authority along with a directive to hire more.

3. It would be great if there was more flying, but we wouldn't be doing a lot of junior manning if there wasn't would we? I just did 19 days on reserve (17 plus an XRD and JRM) with only two R1s, and I've flown more than 500 hours in the last 12 months.

4. I spent a solid 11 months on reserve after IOE. Got a line month 12. Back on reserve this month, and a line next month. A couple of my classmates, when bidding less selectively than me, have had lines more frequently.

5. True, there have been no upgrades since January of last year. Further upgrades will depend on maintaining at least the current level of flying or better as retirements continue.

6. I'll be sure to let Bonnie know you don't like her cooking. Yes, the menu tends to be limited and not always fantastic, but her soups are pretty darn good.

7. Highly unlikely you will ever do 17 straight R1s. Some do more than others, and some locals actually bid them.

There are enough problems and reasons not to come here now without exaggerating.

Dont listen to this dude above, ABX is a loser company with no future as long as Soapy is there. Period.

motorclutch
04-28-2018, 07:50 AM
Amen bro...this guy killed the golden goose just like he did at Comair. And the board of directors allowed him to do it. Canít wait for the shareholders meeting on May 10. A show to be remembered.

Reactivity
04-28-2018, 10:24 AM
Dont listen to this dude above, ABX is a loser company with no future as long as Soapy is there. Period.

Never said this was a great place to be. If I knew what I was in for, I wouldn't have come here. I only said there's no need to exaggerate the problems that exist.

As for you, what are you doing posting in this forum? You're long gone. Just go away and be happy with your life already.

gumpscheck
04-28-2018, 01:20 PM
Amen bro...this guy killed the golden goose just like he did at Comair. And the board of directors allowed him to do it. Canít wait for the shareholders meeting on May 10. A show to be remembered.

I hope you are right but the ATSG Board is so clueless. Theyíll probably give the Soap Scum a promotion and a pay raise.

#Clueless in ILN

redmanchew
04-28-2018, 01:43 PM
OK. This place has problems, but let's not venture into the realm of the ridiculous.



1. There can be a worse place. One of my classmates came from one.



2. The furlough threat hasn't been heard in months, and we all knew it was ridiculous to begin with. The company has been actively hiring since the first of the year. There was a recent threat to displace captains which was quickly shut down by higher authority along with a directive to hire more.



3. It would be great if there was more flying, but we wouldn't be doing a lot of junior manning if there wasn't would we? I just did 19 days on reserve (17 plus an XRD and JRM) with only two R1s, and I've flown more than 500 hours in the last 12 months.



4. I spent a solid 11 months on reserve after IOE. Got a line month 12. Back on reserve this month, and a line next month. A couple of my classmates, when bidding less selectively than me, have had lines more frequently.



5. True, there have been no upgrades since January of last year. Further upgrades will depend on maintaining at least the current level of flying or better as retirements continue.



6. I'll be sure to let Bonnie know you don't like her cooking. Yes, the menu tends to be limited and not always fantastic, but her soups are pretty darn good.



7. Highly unlikely you will ever do 17 straight R1s. Some do more than others, and some locals actually bid them.



There are enough problems and reasons not to come here now without exaggerating.



I and others have done more then 17 R1's straight. If you're good with living off soup for half your adult life then more power to you. And flying 500 in 12 months is not a lot. Most guys didn't get to that 500 hr mark after a year so you did well there.


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point432
04-28-2018, 02:23 PM
I and others have done more then 17 R1's straight. If you're good with living off soup for half your adult life then more power to you. And flying 500 in 12 months is not a lot. Most guys didn't get to that 500 hr mark after a year so you did well there.


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I think its going to be 15 months for me. Still havenít broke 500 hours. But everyones mileage has varied dramatically. Some of us got on these ruts on airport reserve for weeks straight. When they had the coverage or extra guys, its seemed like the number of back half R1s doubled. Why on Earth did we need 3 crews 3am-1pm. And then, 2 crews from noon to midnight? As soon as we have more FOs (keyword when), airport reserve will increase bc its easy more for the company.


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sherpster
04-29-2018, 04:43 AM
Never said this was a great place to be. If I knew what I was in for, I wouldn't have come here. I only said there's no need to exaggerate the problems that exist.

As for you, what are you doing posting in this forum? You're long gone. Just go away and be happy with your life already.

I live near Wilmington, would have loved for abx to have gotten a new contract and for the management to not hate the pilots so I wouldnt have to commute to nyc for a job. Abx could have been a career destination for me but Soaper ruined that for me. So I have no problem sharing what a screwed up operation abx is. Pilots are the only thing holding that place together. The better question is: why are you still there? I bet you are management or soapy himselfp

Reactivity
04-29-2018, 09:49 AM
The better question is: why are you still there? I bet you are management or soapy himselfp

Heh. That was predictable. I have a slightly sunnier outlook, ergo I must be a management troll. Just for fun, I won't issue the standard denial.

I'm still here because contrary to popular belief, even in this environment, getting another job is slightly more complicated than simply throwing a few applications into the ether and waiting for the offers to roll in. If it was just that easy, a lot more of us would be gone, including me.

Reactivity
04-29-2018, 09:52 AM
I think its going to be 15 months for me. Still havenít broke 500 hours.

In that case, I will count myself fortunate.

Industry Strnd
05-01-2018, 10:55 AM
Did you mention all the work required on days off? How many pilots quit and went back to their previous job or a lateral move when the president said he was going to furlough? And he still says he can get the union to cave.

Tumbl3weed
05-01-2018, 01:21 PM
Did you mention all the work required on days off? How many pilots quit and went back to their previous job or a lateral move when the president said he was going to furlough? And he still says he can get the union to cave.
Answer - 19 of 50 (38%) 151ers (hired in the last year and a half) have quit in the previous 13 months.

Hang10
05-01-2018, 02:05 PM
More leaving shortly!