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05-03-2018, 03:52 PM
Greetings all.

I apologize for starting a new thread, but I could not find any current postings concerning what's acceptable regarding logging simulator time.

I am going through the new hire airmen certification process presentation and my question concerns one particular statement within the presentation. It says, "In some cases simulator time may be used as a substitution for flight time requirements" - I have a SIC type that I did through FSI and I logged 26 hours total simulator time, but I did not log it as toward total time or duration of flight, only sim.

Based on the statement in the presentation, what simulator time are they specifically referring to? I know for sure that the simulator time provided in the ATP-CTP course and the type training can be used and logged as total time, so why can I not log my sim (Level C) towards total time?

There is a lot of misinformation out there about whether it can, or cannot be logged toward total time.


Oh, the below link says one can log it toward total flight time. Some other sites, say not.

05-03-2018, 03:56 PM
Simulator time is NOT flight time. It can be logged for total time, but not flight time.
Flight time requires the "aircraft" to move.

Twin Wasp
05-03-2018, 08:04 PM
Guessing that you are going for a ME ATP so 61.159 applies. 61.159(a)(3) says you need 50 hours ME time of which 25 hours of full flight sim time can be credited towards that 50 hours. Since you have 26 hours of level C sim and will get at least 6 more hours of full flight sim time during the CTP you only need 25 ME time.

61.159(a)(4) says you need 75 hours of instrument time of which 50 can be sim hours if done under a 142 training program. I'd be a bit leery of counting all your sim time as instrument time since there's start up and taxi included.

And 61.159(a)(5) says you need 250 PIC hours of which 100 can be sim hours.

I'd also not put the sim hours in the TT column but just add them to actual aircraft time when you fill out the 8710-1 form but that's just me. Down the road when someone asks how much flight time you have and wants to see the logbook do you tell them "I have 2000 hours of which 32 are full flight sim hours" or "I have 1968 hours and 32 hours in a full flight sim." If your logbook has separate columns for TT and total flight time I guess you can ignore that.

05-04-2018, 10:34 AM
Thanks, I have had my question answered. I will not count it toward TT time. Only some Level D can be used in this situation.