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tothebigblue
05-04-2018, 06:20 PM
Hello looking for information about Kalitta and I canít find a specific thread. Would like to know schedule (how bad are 15 day blocks), quality of hotels yíall stay at, 747 v. 767 flying, domestic v. International flying. I have a family and a potential interview but I would like more information before I commit to interviewing. Iíve heard good, real good, and not so good about being at an ACMI carrier. Thanks all.


Locke
05-04-2018, 06:30 PM
I hear thereís split lines.

The hotels might have a bed, but more likely a stripper pole.

Thereís a 76?

goinaround
05-04-2018, 06:32 PM
I hear thereís split lines.

The hotels might have a bed, but more likely a stripper pole.

Thereís a 76?

How's the commute? Domiciles? Crash pads?


tothebigblue
05-04-2018, 06:35 PM
How's the commute? Domiciles? Crash pads?

None, none, and none, the home base pilots.

Locke
05-04-2018, 07:39 PM
Wait... we are? I was really hoping for that Wan Chai base

Forty5N
05-05-2018, 04:56 PM
I know many folks based in Wan Chai. Schedules are flexible . Pay is even better. Glad everyone doesn't know about it.......

HercDriver130
05-06-2018, 04:00 AM
Hello looking for information about Kalitta and I canít find a specific thread. Would like to know schedule (how bad are 15 day blocks), quality of hotels yíall stay at, 747 v. 767 flying, domestic v. International flying. I have a family and a potential interview but I would like more information before I commit to interviewing. Iíve heard good, real good, and not so good about being at an ACMI carrier. Thanks all.

16 day blocks of day on... a few split lines...not popular generally.
US hotels... eh... could use improvement... Asia.. very good.. Europe ...Good
747 is 95 international... 767 (now) is 100% Domestic

IF you cant or dont want to be or family cant take 16 days on... move on... these are NOT the droids you are looking for

Schedule... rarely fly to the places you bid.. on the days on your line... generally most people just bid for certain days off

Locke
05-06-2018, 08:08 AM
16 day blocks of day on... a few split lines...not popular generally.
US hotels... eh... could use improvement... Asia.. very good.. Europe ...Good
747 is 95 international... 767 (now) is 100% Domestic

IF you cant or dont want to be or family cant take 16 days on... move on... these are NOT the droids you are looking for

Schedule... rarely fly to the places you bid.. on the days on your line... generally most people just bid for certain days off
It was a troll post :)

Colt45
05-06-2018, 09:12 PM
I heard that we are going to open an Albuquerque, NM base and that S.R is getting promoted back into scheduling. All 767 crews will now operate primarily out of Cuba..

402FreightDog
05-07-2018, 06:25 AM
I heard that we are going to open an Albuquerque, NM base and that S.R is getting promoted back into scheduling. All 767 crews will now operate primarily out of Cuba..

So with the ABQ base, would that be Cuba, NM? It is an up and coming Meca of culture you know.

flyguy727
05-07-2018, 07:48 PM
I heard that we are going to open an Albuquerque, NM base and that S.R is getting promoted back into scheduling. All 767 crews will now operate primarily out of Cuba..
I think that if I wanted to go to Cuba, I would set up shop in Miami, Amerijet is there, so it could turn into a fight for surpremacy.

tothebigblue
05-08-2018, 05:36 AM
It was a troll post :)

no it wasnt

Locke
05-08-2018, 01:26 PM
no it wasnt

Then itís a severe lack of SA. Please read the Kalitta thread with 1.5 million views that answers all of your questions over and over and over.

ShadyMilkman
05-09-2018, 10:54 AM
For any IP's lurking:

I'm new to 121 and AQP.

In my part 135 flying, a line check was recorded on FAA form 8410, Airman Competency/Proficiency Check. On this form, boxes were checked to reflect which specific regulatory requirement was satisfied by the check being given. Eg: 135.293, 135.299, etc.

On a Kalitta Air SIC initial line check following IOE, what document is ultimately completed, and what regulatory reference is that document satisfying on the initial SIC check?

Does the SIC initial line check document point back to 121.440, or something else? Would the official document still be an "Airman Competency/Proficiency Check," or maybe something else that exists in AQP?

Thanks for answering. It's just clarification for my logbook.

BFMthisA10
05-09-2018, 11:44 AM
For any IP's lurking:

I'm new to 121 and AQP.

In my part 135 flying, a line check was recorded on FAA form 8410, Airman Competency/Proficiency Check. On this form, boxes were checked to reflect which specific regulatory requirement was satisfied by the check being given. Eg: 135.293, 135.299, etc.

On a Kalitta Air SIC initial line check following IOE, what document is ultimately completed, and what regulatory reference is that document satisfying on the initial SIC check?

Does the SIC initial line check document point back to 121.440, or something else? Would the official document still be an "Airman Competency/Proficiency Check," or maybe something else that exists in AQP?

Thanks for answering. It's just clarification for my logbook.

Whaaaaat?
For your logbook?

vroll1800
05-09-2018, 12:08 PM
Whaaaaat?
For your logbook?

Maybe he likes to fly light aircraft in his spare time. He may wish to document Part 121 proficiency check to satisfy Biennial Flight Review. (Which it can do.)

BFMthisA10
05-09-2018, 12:17 PM
Hmmm, ok.
I guess that makes sense. Wasnít just concerned I was missing in my log.

Rockycheese
05-09-2018, 03:02 PM
Hello looking for information about Kalitta and I canít find a specific thread. Would like to know schedule (how bad are 15 day blocks), quality of hotels yíall stay at, 747 v. 767 flying, domestic v. International flying. I have a family and a potential interview but I would like more information before I commit to interviewing. Iíve heard good, real good, and not so good about being at an ACMI carrier. Thanks all.

How long after applying until you were contacted?

ocskyguy
05-09-2018, 08:37 PM
For any IP's lurking:

I'm new to 121 and AQP.

In my part 135 flying, a line check was recorded on FAA form 8410, Airman Competency/Proficiency Check. On this form, boxes were checked to reflect which specific regulatory requirement was satisfied by the check being given. Eg: 135.293, 135.299, etc.

On a Kalitta Air SIC initial line check following IOE, what document is ultimately completed, and what regulatory reference is that document satisfying on the initial SIC check?

Does the SIC initial line check document point back to 121.440, or something else? Would the official document still be an "Airman Competency/Proficiency Check," or maybe something else that exists in AQP?

Thanks for answering. It's just clarification for my logbook.

A. If you need to document your training in your logbook, you don't have enough hours yet to tell yourself that the training stuff is fluff.

B. Yes, I am a ball buster.

C. AQP is a multi gate training program. For initials, you have 3 separate validation events that collectively create your type rating. So, it is not a one liner in the logbook. If you really want to document it, it is 5 FTD sessions, 5 simulator sessions, 3 LOFT events and a check ride, which is the LOE.

You can PM me if you want more specifics...

ocskyguy
05-09-2018, 08:51 PM
For any IP's lurking:

I'm new to 121 and AQP.

In my part 135 flying, a line check was recorded on FAA form 8410, Airman Competency/Proficiency Check. On this form, boxes were checked to reflect which specific regulatory requirement was satisfied by the check being given. Eg: 135.293, 135.299, etc.

On a Kalitta Air SIC initial line check following IOE, what document is ultimately completed, and what regulatory reference is that document satisfying on the initial SIC check?

Does the SIC initial line check document point back to 121.440, or something else? Would the official document still be an "Airman Competency/Proficiency Check," or maybe something else that exists in AQP?

Thanks for answering. It's just clarification for my logbook.

Continuing the thread...

OE, after successfully completing your gates to the type rating, is an open ended training program to get you comfortable with the (most likely) new environment and aircraft. You will not be released to your Line Check until your OE instructor is satisfied that you are ready.

Within AQP, the LOE (previously mentioned check ride) and Line Check are PRIA events. Everything else is internal.

AQP is much different than the old school documentation under 135 and 121. There is no singular event that validates your competency. It is an ongoing event chain that requires you to validate multiple tasks along the way.

tothebigblue
05-10-2018, 03:34 AM
How long after applying until you were contacted?

About 2 weeks.

tothebigblue
05-10-2018, 03:35 AM
Then it’s a severe lack of SA. Please read the Kalitta thread with 1.5 million views that answers all of your questions over and over and over.

..................

cactusmike
05-10-2018, 11:03 AM
Continuing the thread...

OE, after successfully completing your gates to the type rating, is an open ended training program to get you comfortable with the (most likely) new environment and aircraft. You will not be released to your Line Check until your OE instructor is satisfied that you are ready.

Within AQP, the LOE (previously mentioned check ride) and Line Check are PRIA events. Everything else is internal.

AQP is much different than the old school documentation under 135 and 121. There is no singular event that validates your competency. It is an ongoing event chain that requires you to validate multiple tasks along the way.

Donít forget about consolidation. At our shop the type is not valid if you donít get 100 hours in the 120 days after passing the LOE. And itís time in seat. Bunk time doesnít count.

BFMthisA10
05-10-2018, 11:45 AM
Donít forget about consolidation. At our shop the type is not valid if you donít get 100 hours in the 120 days after passing the LOE. And itís time in seat. Bunk time doesnít count.

How would that work? Are you required to swap your ticket back out with the FAA to get the type removed? Just curious.

ShadyMilkman
05-10-2018, 12:31 PM
A. If you need to document your training in your logbook, you don't have enough hours yet to tell yourself that the training stuff is fluff.

B. Yes, I am a ball buster.

C. AQP is a multi gate training program. For initials, you have 3 separate validation events that collectively create your type rating. So, it is not a one liner in the logbook. If you really want to document it, it is 5 FTD sessions, 5 simulator sessions, 3 LOFT events and a check ride, which is the LOE.

You can PM me if you want more specifics...

Thank you.

Colt45
05-11-2018, 07:33 AM
Donít forget about consolidation. At our shop the type is not valid if you donít get 100 hours in the 120 days after passing the LOE. And itís time in seat. Bunk time doesnít count.

Thatís such BS...They must be afraid of people grabbing a type and then just leaving..

HercDriver130
05-11-2018, 09:59 AM
Thatís such BS...They must be afraid of people grabbing a type and then just leaving..

Its the same at K4.... OE is considered part of the type process.

DC8DRIVER
05-11-2018, 11:23 AM
Donít forget about consolidation. At our shop the type is not valid if you donít get 100 hours in the 120 days after passing the LOE. And itís time in seat. Bunk time doesnít count.

I don't know what you mean by "valid", but once you pass your check ride, you have the full type rating. In fact, most large aircraft type ratings are given without setting foot in the real airplane.

Now maybe you don't get paid CA pay or can't fly without an instructor until you complete OE at a specific airline, but there are thousands of airline pilots who have bought their own type ratings that are completely "FAA valid" that have not had to go through any kind of consolidation. You could, for instance, fly a ferry flight with the ink still wet on your ticket if you wanted.

Lou Turk
05-11-2018, 04:08 PM
How would that work? Are you required to swap your ticket back out with the FAA to get the type removed? Just curious.
When I was a check airman in another life, guys that couldnít consolidate could get an extension by getting a line check or failing that go to the sim and take a PC.

ocskyguy
05-11-2018, 10:33 PM
Its the same at K4.... OE is considered part of the type process.


Not true. There was originally an opinion that completion of OE was required under AQP to complete the type rating process. However, as our APM found out, the folks at the FAA changed their own interpretation of the rules.


We had a couple of people bail before completing OE. The APM tried to get their type ratings invalidated. But, FAA HQ overruled his actions. So, basically, you can walk out of the sim on LOE day and keep your rating. But, you head better be heading to a major (or, 5Y, who loves to steal our pilots) if you want to find a job. The privately held airline owners are on a pretty tight "good old boy network".

HercDriver130
05-12-2018, 06:58 AM
Not true. There was originally an opinion that completion of OE was required under AQP to complete the type rating process. However, as our APM found out, the folks at the FAA changed their own interpretation of the rules.


We had a couple of people bail before completing OE. The APM tried to get their type ratings invalidated. But, FAA HQ overruled his actions. So, basically, you can walk out of the sim on LOE day and keep your rating. But, you head better be heading to a major (or, 5Y, who loves to steal our pilots) if you want to find a job. The privately held airline owners are on a pretty tight "good old boy network".

Good to see that has changed. Fair enough.

nitefr8dog
05-12-2018, 12:58 PM
Thatís such BS...They must be afraid of people grabbing a type and then just leaving.. Has nothing to do with grabbing a type...you complete the 100/120 or back in the sim early for a PC...the type is yours once the ck ride is over.

CA Deplorable
05-15-2018, 05:52 PM
Many people ďpayĒ to get a type and never set foot in the aircraft. Once you pass the PC the temp is issued. You have full authority of the type. Nothing is stopping a guy from getting 500 hours as an IRO, log it as PIC and head to China and sell themselves as a Captain to get that 300K pay day.

Forty5N
05-16-2018, 02:21 AM
Why go to China when you can get a 300k pay day here?

tothebigblue
05-16-2018, 04:02 AM
5Y, who loves to steal our pilots

boy they must be great talkers....

Rockycheese
05-16-2018, 10:27 AM
About 2 weeks.

thanks, I applied a little over a week ago 9000 TT 3000 jet PIC/121. Hoping to hear soon.



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