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TCASTESTOK
05-14-2018, 07:43 AM
Southwest flight makes emergency landing after cabin loses pressure - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/southwest-flight-makes-emergency-landing-cabin-loses-pressure-2018-5)

Whats with this spike in losses of cabin pressure and emergency landings? 3 emergency landings in a month. If this record keeps on the uptick then SWA might end up like Allegiant, perhaps with its own 60 minutes special. I think if that happened the centerpiece on the special would be the violations by SWA mx a few years back.


Peacock
05-14-2018, 07:57 AM
Yet another meaning two? Why not just say “another”

MarkVI
05-14-2018, 10:21 AM
Southwest flight makes emergency landing after cabin loses pressure - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/southwest-flight-makes-emergency-landing-cabin-loses-pressure-2018-5)

Whats with this spike in losses of cabin pressure and emergency landings? 3 emergency landings in a month. If this record keeps on the uptick then SWA might end up like Allegiant, perhaps with its own 60 minutes special. I think if that happened the centerpiece on the special would be the violations by SWA mx a few years back.



Gross overstatement of the facts. Southwest is by leaps and bounds ahead of Allegiant in a wide variety of safety metrics. The real question is why all of the sudden does the media feel the need to front-page every squawk that WN goes through?

“A LOSS OF CABIN PRESSURE WHERE NO ONE WAS INJURED AND THE CREW DID EXACTLY AS TRAINED? GASP!”

Please. The media is over inflating issues, exactly like they did last year with United. Southwest is perfectly fine, the media just wants ratings.


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Twinjetav8r
05-14-2018, 11:06 AM
Gross overstatement of the facts. Southwest is by leaps and bounds ahead of Allegiant in a wide variety of safety metrics. The real question is why all of the sudden does the media feel the need to front-page every squawk that WN goes through?

“A LOSS OF CABIN PRESSURE WHERE NO ONE WAS INJURED AND THE CREW DID EXACTLY AS TRAINED? GASP!”

Please. The media is over inflating issues, exactly like they did last year with United. Southwest is perfectly fine, the media just wants ratings.


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Exactly. I expect the next headline for a weather diversion to be “SW almost ran out of fuel. They had to go to another airport.” Please. Just go away.


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ReadyRsv
05-14-2018, 12:08 PM
Uh, loss of pressurization is a bit different than making a tech stop. One of those is an emergency!

tomgoodman
05-14-2018, 12:26 PM
Gosh, I hope we don’t have yet another ice age! :eek:

dawgdriver
05-14-2018, 02:28 PM
SWA is far from 60 Minutes episodes and comparisons to Allegiant, but if there was ever a time to settle the contract with their mechanics, now would be the time.

5 years without a contract with a relatively small, however highly influential labor group is pushing one's luck, especially at a time when SWA is squarely in the media crosshairs. Add to that a revenue management department that has added flights, allowing maintenance less access time to repair aircraft due to later PM arrivals and earlier AM starts. The fleet is aging and the increased cycles will take their toll. SWA should be adding more quality mechanics with in house quality training. At 3.3 mechanics per plane (UAL 11.3 and AA 7.7) SWA should consider itself lean enough, but instead looks to further reduce the count to 2.7? In an industry that struggles to staff its ranks with the dwindling number of mechanics, this seems odd.

rickair7777
05-14-2018, 02:35 PM
Yet another meaning two? Why not just say “another”


Another what? Garden variety loss of cabin pressure? That is not really an event, not to be compared with loss of cabin pressure associated with the cabin being penetrated by uncontained engine parts.

I've had three of the former in my 121 career, put the mask on, descend to 10K, take the mask off, start figuring out how much range you have and where to go. The trick is to beat the masks to 14K. The masks will scare the beejezus out of the pax.

TCASTESTOK
05-14-2018, 03:19 PM
Another what? Garden variety loss of cabin pressure? That is not really an event, not to be compared with loss of cabin pressure associated with the cabin being penetrated by uncontained engine parts.

I've had three of the former in my 121 career, put the mask on, descend to 10K, take the mask off, start figuring out how much range you have and where to go. The trick is to beat the masks to 14K. The masks will scare the beejezus out of the pax.

What do you mean by beat the masks to 14k? do you mean get below 10k before cabin alt reaches 14 and the masks drop or beat the time limit on the mask o2 generators?

Peacock
05-14-2018, 04:28 PM
What do you mean by beat the masks to 14k? do you mean get below 10k before cabin alt reaches 14 and the masks drop or beat the time limit on the mask o2 generators?

Are you a pilot?

TCASTESTOK
05-14-2018, 04:57 PM
Just never heard that saying before.

Peacock
05-14-2018, 05:41 PM
Just never heard that saying before.
I’m referring mostly to your trollish posts history that read more like YouTube comments than a professional pilot.

7Thirty7s4Life
05-15-2018, 07:27 AM
Just never heard that saying before.

What is your experience level and current position? Your posts are suspect.

Smokey23
05-15-2018, 08:30 AM
Southwest flight makes emergency landing after cabin loses pressure - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/southwest-flight-makes-emergency-landing-cabin-loses-pressure-2018-5)

Whats with this spike in losses of cabin pressure and emergency landings? 3 emergency landings in a month.

This at an airline that operates about 120,000 flights a month. Stuff has, does, and will continue to happen when the operation is that big. The only difference now is that one recent incident caused a fatality. That's all it takes for the drive-by media to form their latest narrative and put the airline under the microscope.

TCASTESTOK
05-15-2018, 11:20 AM
What is your experience level and current position? Your posts are suspect.

Weekend warrior but working thru the hours to get an ATP.

rickair7777
05-15-2018, 02:15 PM
Weekend warrior but working thru the hours to get an ATP.

You're wading in the deep end here. It will make more sense in about five years and 5000 hours.

TCASTESTOK
05-15-2018, 02:48 PM
Thanks for the advice but im still wondering what it means by beating the masks to 14,000. From a google search I found that the masks will deploy once cabin alt reaches 14k. But with a decompression are you trying to get to 10k aircraft altitude as fast as possible racing the cabin altitude to 14k so the masks don't deploy?

Peacock
05-15-2018, 03:18 PM
Thanks for the advice but im still wondering what it means by beating the masks to 14,000. From a google search I found that the masks will deploy once cabin alt reaches 14k. But with a decompression are you trying to get to 10k aircraft altitude as fast as possible racing the cabin altitude to 14k so the masks don't deploy?
You should concentrate on learning how not to post ****ty troll threads.

WHACKMASTER
05-15-2018, 06:24 PM
Thanks for the advice but im still wondering what it means by beating the masks to 14,000. From a google search I found that the masks will deploy once cabin alt reaches 14k. But with a decompression are you trying to get to 10k aircraft altitude as fast as possible racing the cabin altitude to 14k so the masks don't deploy?

That’s exactly what he means.

TCASTESTOK
05-16-2018, 07:32 AM
But if its a rapid decompression then you have really no chance of beating the masks. A slow decompression makes more sense.

WHACKMASTER
05-16-2018, 08:48 AM
But if its a rapid decompression then you have really no chance of beating the masks. A slow decompression makes more sense.

Exactly right.

rickair7777
05-16-2018, 12:19 PM
But if its a rapid decompression then you have really no chance of beating the masks. A slow decompression makes more sense.


Most are slow. Packs, outflow valves, and door seals fail routinely... that's slow.

Windows and fuselages rarely fail.

THEKERNALKLINK
05-28-2018, 05:47 PM
Most are slow. Packs, outflow valves, and door seals fail routinely... that's slow.

Windows and fuselages rarely fail.


YES! I actually had a "whistler" once. A door seal that was whistling. It wasn't even enough to cause any loss of pressure. Of course we landed anyways.

Beech Dude
05-28-2018, 06:00 PM
The seal on the crew door on the MC-12 always wore out quick too. We used to just take our helmet bags and have the back-enders hold em up against it and womp! It would pull em into the gap and wammy, cabin px would be as good as new.

DeadHead
05-28-2018, 11:28 PM
Come now people, no need to blow a gasket over this.

Tony Clifton
05-29-2018, 05:31 AM
Come now people, no need to blow a gasket over this.

Let them be, they are just venting.

lukeh99
05-29-2018, 09:06 AM
YES! I actually had a "whistler" once. A door seal that was whistling. It wasn't even enough to cause any loss of pressure. Of course we landed anyways.

You clearly haven’t flown the 145 :eek:

Ispeakjive
06-01-2018, 05:48 PM
YES! I actually had a "whistler" once. A door seal that was whistling. It wasn't even enough to cause any loss of pressure. Of course we landed anyways.

From time to time, my a$$ whistles.

TransWorld
06-01-2018, 08:16 PM
From time to time, my a$$ whistles.

Yep, I remember when we were in school together the coach yelled at you. He said screw up one more time and he was going to stick his whistle were the sun does not shine. Apparently you screwed up one more time. 😂

Opakapaka
06-02-2018, 12:02 PM
YES! I actually had a "whistler" once. A door seal that was whistling. It wasn't even enough to cause any loss of pressure. Of course we landed anyways.

Had a couple door seal whistles while flying ETOPS Hawaii to mainland. Every time it was just water in the seal at takeoff that froze at alt. No big deal....

jtriple7
06-11-2018, 01:31 PM
Yes, even lowly united mechanics make more than SW now.

And good luck if your company gets down to the 2.7 ratio.



SWA is far from 60 Minutes episodes and comparisons to Allegiant, but if there was ever a time to settle the contract with their mechanics, now would be the time.

5 years without a contract with a relatively small, however highly influential labor group is pushing one's luck, especially at a time when SWA is squarely in the media crosshairs. Add to that a revenue management department that has added flights, allowing maintenance less access time to repair aircraft due to later PM arrivals and earlier AM starts. The fleet is aging and the increased cycles will take their toll. SWA should be adding more quality mechanics with in house quality training. At 3.3 mechanics per plane (UAL 11.3 and AA 7.7) SWA should consider itself lean enough, but instead looks to further reduce the count to 2.7? In an industry that struggles to staff its ranks with the dwindling number of mechanics, this seems odd.



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