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Pilatus801
05-17-2018, 09:04 AM
Guys/gals, I am targeting Skywest as a regional of choice. I'd like to get informed on typical earnings for the first two years as FO and then first two years as CA. This assumes upgrade in 24 months.

Can you shed light on typical earnings in those first 4 years and also note if you are sharing numbers for a typical schedule or if you went above and beyond and picked up trips.

Also, please share typical numbers of days off in a month for the same time frame.

This will greatly help me understand and forecast earnings and QOL in those early years.

Thanks in advance.


amcnd
05-17-2018, 09:12 AM
Magic 8 ball says ask again next week....

Check Complete
05-17-2018, 09:20 AM
Magic 8 ball says ask again next week....

Itís been ďnext weekĒ for 5 years.

There is absolutely no way we will come close to Endeavor or Republic.


amcnd
05-17-2018, 09:35 AM
Itís been ďnext weekĒ for 5 years.

There is absolutely no way we will come close to Endeavor or Republic.

No we wonít . Thatís ďunsustainablyĒ as a non-wholly owned. But NHís will. 20 year guys probably not unless you count your 6 bonus checks...

Check Complete
05-17-2018, 10:40 AM
Sorry I forgot, Republics pay is overall substantially higher because they are wholly owned.


Want to try another reason?

ImPilot I Fly
05-17-2018, 10:48 AM
Sorry I forgot, Republics pay is overall substantially higher because they are wholly owned.


Want to try another reason?

According to OO pilot logic they (Republic) are going out of business.

amcnd
05-17-2018, 11:58 AM
Nobodyís going out of business.. but look at it from a CFO prospective... company fresh out of Bankruptcy gives pilots industry leading contracts whlie company runs on bankruptcy rate CPA....

Pilatus801
05-17-2018, 12:58 PM
Can any of you shed some light on profit sharing? How often is that paid? Is it substantial or small? How is it calculated?

Thanks

Bravix
05-17-2018, 07:52 PM
Nobodyís going out of business.. but look at it from a CFO prospective... company fresh out of Bankruptcy gives pilots industry leading contracts whlie company runs on bankruptcy rate CPA....

A tired excuse. This would only be accurate if SkyWest was close to operating without profit, which isn't isn't even close to approaching. Lots of profit that could be diverted to increasing pilot salaries, while still keeping profits high.

Bravix
05-17-2018, 07:56 PM
Can any of you shed some light on profit sharing? How often is that paid? Is it substantial or small? How is it calculated?

Thanks

Depends on how much you work, if you're an FO or CA, and the profits. Paid biannually. First year FO, it came out to a bit less than a normal paycheck (which covers a 2 week period of flying). So in a year, it might be close to an extra month of pay. Again, depending on how much you work. If you work the 175 on reserve, you'd make less from the profit sharing check than a CRJ guy forced to work a ton.

Otterbox
05-18-2018, 04:24 AM
Nobodyís going out of business.. but look at it from a CFO prospective... company fresh out of Bankruptcy gives pilots industry leading contracts whlie company runs on bankruptcy rate CPA....

Yet staffing isnít an issue for them now.

Canít make money if no ones around to fly all the jets. The myth that regional airlines canít afford to pay their pilots more is exactly that- myth. Regional management chooses not to in order to minimize expenses and maximize profit.

amcnd
05-18-2018, 04:37 AM
Yet staffing isnít an issue for them now.

Canít make money if no ones around to fly all the jets. The myth that regional airlines canít afford to pay their pilots more is exactly that- myth. Regional management chooses not to in order to minimize expenses and maximize profit.

Lots of evidence to suggest otherwise.. Air Canada 200ís, ACA/Independence, Midway, Comair, ect. And its never just pilot pay....

TJBrass
05-20-2018, 04:31 AM
"According to OO pilot logic they (Republic) are going out of business."

If the rumored Republic "Super Regional" materializes, that would give them critical mass, coast-to-coast basing options, QOL, and, (in year two or three or their contract), Endeavor rates. That certainly will have to force management's hand.

Simpsons
05-22-2018, 04:56 AM
Magic 8 ball says ask again next week....
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amcnd
05-22-2018, 06:41 AM
[QUOTE=Simpsons;[/QUOTE]

Itís only Tuesday. Holly cow!! SAPA meeting isnít over tell tomorrow...

hawk21
05-22-2018, 10:33 AM
You wonít hear anything until Thursday morning at the absolute earliest.

Air Stang 7
05-22-2018, 10:43 AM
https://i.imgur.com/qpPqGfr.gif
"My sources say no."
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Paid2flyfast
06-07-2018, 06:59 PM
Yeah sure!
2016 - yr 1 FO (Feb16 class) $27,137.24 (787.07 Credit)
2017 - yr 2 FO $44,037.38 (1068.49 Credit)

Married, Cheapest health insurance for 2 = $174.18 / Mo

My 2 cents when comparing regionals in regards to SkyWest:

- SkyWest is paid in terms of Credit, not guaranteed block. Ie. If I fly from XYZ to ABC, United assigns 1:48 as the Block time for that flight, but SkyWest looks at "historically" how long that flight takes and comes up with a credit value for that flight. 9/10 times... that value is lower than the legacy assigned block. XYZ to ABC may only credit 1:30... So in review, you are losing out on :18 min of guaranteed pay for that flight in which EVERY other airline will pay you the total block. This is a HUGE shortfall of SkyWest and though pay may increase or may not... many pilots have calculated that you are losing about 5% yearly on this policy alone. 5% of $40,000 is $2,000. So, on average, even if OO pay was the same scale as other airlines, realize you are still paid less on every leg that everyone else flying 50-76 seat aircraft.

- SkyWest is not represented by a Union. Instead we have SAPA, which is kind of like a student union from your high school. They have no real power, but instead they are here to make you feel "protected" from the company but their payroll is from ... SkyWest. Here recently they have voted to protect the company against the will of the Pilots.

- Speak to people you know about bases. If you are looking to go anywhere West of Minneapolis... I hope you enjoy horrible reserve rules and waiting over a year for a line as an FO. As we do not have union protection, our reserve policies are FULL of loopholes which always work out in the company's favor...

Overall, the morale here at SkyWest is going down hill and fast. Choosing a regional is an important decision, just try to be as educated as possible and choose the quality of life and pay you deserve.

Good Luck Mate!

Strenyakov
06-07-2018, 09:08 PM
No we wonít . Thatís ďunsustainablyĒ as a non-wholly owned. But NHís will. 20 year guys probably not unless you count your 6 bonus checks...

I'm not sure if he is being sarcastic or not. Wholly owned are more costly to the carrier than contract airlines. Their bureaucratic costs are much much higher. Delta killed Comair because of the costs. Delta is not in the business of wasting money on its own carrier, just because it owns it.

Skywest needs to become number one if it wants to get pilots. Go to Skywest because they are going to have the best pay year after year. The other airlines will give you a bonus and then you will become their slave.

calmwinds
06-08-2018, 03:55 AM
... Go to Skywest because they are going to have the best pay year after year. The other airlines will give you a bonus and then you will become their slave.

What planet do you live on?

ninerdriver
06-08-2018, 04:32 AM
The other airlines will give you a bonus and then you will become their slave.

As opposed to an airline that doesn't give you a bonus... yet you still become their slave?

rickair7777
06-08-2018, 06:27 AM
As opposed to an airline that doesn't give you a bonus... yet you still become their slave?

Regional bonuses do two things...

1) Attract pilots who are interested in regionals, and have choices (pretty much all pilots these days).

2) Prevent new-hires from leaving for other regionals.

After a year or two, nobody in their right mind is going to leave for another regional, and nobody in their right mind is going to NOT leave for a major if the get a call (regardless of bonus amount).

Utah
06-08-2018, 11:24 AM
Regional bonuses do two things...

1) Attract pilots who are interested in regionals, and have choices (pretty much all pilots these days).

2) Prevent new-hires from leaving for other regionals.

After a year or two, nobody in their right mind is going to leave for another regional, and nobody in their right mind is going to NOT leave for a major if the get a call (regardless of bonus amount).

I don't know.. if you were a CRJ FO in the SEA domicile which is closing this month, going to Horizon and not having to commute might not seem a bad choice.

WesternSkies
06-08-2018, 12:43 PM
that value is lower than the legacy assigned block. ....
SoEVERY other airline will pay you the total block. ....
many pilots have calculated that you are losing about 5% yearly on this policy alone.
A. The credit value is sometimes higher than advertised block.
B. We are not the only historical block regional.
C. 2% is the accepted average figure.

rickair7777
06-08-2018, 12:55 PM
I don't know.. if you were a CRJ FO in the SEA domicile which is closing this month, going to Horizon and not having to commute might not seem a bad choice.

Depends on your seniority and ultimate goals. Might be better to suck it up and upgrade than start all over.

DAL prefers TPIC, and nobody know what AS prefers, except they don't seem to prefer QX FO's.

Gone Flying
06-08-2018, 03:43 PM
A. The credit value is sometimes higher than advertised block.
B. We are not the only historical block regional.
C. 2% is the accepted average figure.

Just my observation flying mostly the DL system
A. I see this once in every 10-15 flights and it is rarely by more that 4 minutes
B. the only other airlines I know of that have anything other that B.O.B. are 9E and YX and I believe they have protections so it is not as much of a loss ( not quite sure but the 9E people I talk to think it is much closer to marketing block that ours is) If I am wrong i'm happy to learn about it.
C. I think 5% is a much better average. In my past 4 months(except March) the difference between Block or Credit during the PBS award( keeping all other rules in place) was about 4-5 hours on a high 80's - low 90's hr line. my next pairing the difference is 1.7 hours on a 4 day. I have seen pairings in open time where the difference was almost 4 hours on a 4 day out of ORD.

WesternSkies
06-08-2018, 03:59 PM
I donít care what I was awarded, I care about what I was *paid*

word302
06-09-2018, 09:03 AM
A. The credit value is sometimes higher than advertised block.
B. We are not the only historical block regional.
C. 2% is the accepted average figure.

Accepted by who? My average is almost 5%.

Check Complete
06-11-2018, 09:47 AM
A. The credit value is sometimes higher than advertised block.
B. We are not the only historical block regional.
C. 2% is the accepted average figure.

I think an analysis was done nearly a year ago by a SAPA rep and their number was 5.9%. That person is now gone on to a major. The SAPA president does not want another comparison and the company will not provide the data points for another check.

But just looking at trips in open time, it is extremely rare to find a trip that ever credits more than block. To the other extreme I had found a trip that credited 21% less than marketing block.