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CaptOveur
05-18-2018, 09:41 AM
I saw an article SW is adding 50 new intl destinations.

Does anyone know where that might be? Mostly Caribbean and Mexico or alot of South America or maybe even Canada?

Thanks


Proximity
05-18-2018, 10:27 AM
Look at where B6 and NK go down south that WN doesn't.

4thLevel
05-18-2018, 06:25 PM
That "50 city" story has been parroted by Dallas in one form or another for the last several years - it means nothing. Here is the latest iteration from Kelly at the shareholders meeting 2 days ago -

Southwest is eyeing a host of expansion opportunities within the next 25 years, with as many as 50 additional North and South American route expansions under consideration, Kelly told shareholders.

25 years????? That is absurd - and the first time a time frame has been included in that fairytale. Also, pay attention to his word choices - because they are important;

with as many as 50 additional North and South American route expansions under consideration

"as many as" "under consideration" - those statements mean nothing.

Also, he said "route expansions" - not cities. Yet another modification to the story from it's original form.

Kelly is the King at not saying anything - but will make you think he did. It's very important to read what he doesn't say.

Having said all of that, I think you will likely see some expansion like Proximity stated above, and possibly a few cities in Canada - but 50? No way.


WHACKMASTER
05-18-2018, 06:47 PM
Agreed. He is uber conservative. We’ll never have anything but Guppies on property under his rule.

ANGFlight81
05-19-2018, 03:37 AM
Having said all of that, I think you will likely see some expansion like Proximity stated above, and possibly a few cities in Canada - but 50? No way.[/QUOTE]

He specifically said Canada would be done with codeshare, so we can axe that off the list...

Smooth at FL450
05-19-2018, 05:50 AM
He specifically said Canada would be done with codeshare, so we can axe that off the list...


Only if SWAPA agrees to it...

e6bpilot
05-19-2018, 06:25 AM
He specifically said Canada would be done with codeshare, so we can axe that off the list...



Canada cannot be done with codeshare in our current contract. It has to be flown by us.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180519/829d2895ba55c2bd7b07802f9c61007d.jpg

RckyMtHigh
05-19-2018, 09:06 AM
Agreed. He is uber conservative. We’ll never have anything but Guppies on property under his rule.

Conservative not necessarily the worst thing in the world. I want new routes and airplanes as much as the next guy, but not a cycle of expansion and contraction prevalent in the airline world.

4thLevel
05-19-2018, 09:39 AM
He specifically said Canada would be done with codeshare, so we can axe that off the list...

No, he specifically stated Europe would (likely) be done with codeshare - and could start within five years. Maybe. Again, read his actual word choices.


Baltimore/Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport could become a hub for Southwest Airlines flights to Canada or Europe in a few years' time, Southwest CEO Gary Kelly said Wednesday. Kelly said BWI, the second largest hub in Southwest's system, "would be a logical consideration for us as a connecting point to Europe." He also said flights to Canada from Baltimore "would absolutely be something we would be interested in considering." Kelly was in Annapolis Wednesday for Southwest's annual shareholders' meeting, held at the Governor Calvert House on State Circle to mark the airline's 25 years of service out of BWI. Though the company is mulling flights to Canada and Europe, he told shareholders its immediate priority is new service to and from Hawaii, which is expected to launch late this year or early next year. "Our focus this year is on boosting service through our domestic route system," Kelly said. "Hawaii expansion will be the major focus for Southwest in 2019, as far as fleet is concerned." Though Dallas-based Southwest (NYSE: LUV) has added international flights to destinations like Cancun, Mexico, San Jose, Costa Rica and the Caribbean, Kelly said flights to Canada and Europe are more complicated for the airline. The "vast majority" of people flying to Southwest's existing international destinations are Americans going on vacation, he said, but for service to Canada to be successful, flights would depend much more heavily on Canadian traffic. Kelly said the target would be for about half of passengers to come from Canada, which would mean marketing to Canadian residents. Flights to Europe would likely be launched through code-sharing agreements with other airline carriers, he said. To do that, "we need foreign currency, foreign language, then there are other technologies that will likely need to support connecting with other airlines," Kelly said, "but that is also something I hope to undertake within the next five years." Southwest is eyeing a host of expansion opportunities within the next 25 years, with as many as 50 additional North and South American route expansions under consideration, Kelly told shareholders.

https://www.bizjournals.com/baltimor...s-and-bwi.html

Grumpyaviator
05-19-2018, 01:27 PM
He actually said “launched” with codeshare and mentioned needing experience in currency, language, etc. Perhaps the plan will be to transition to going to Europe independently.

4thLevel
05-19-2018, 02:27 PM
He actually said “launched” with codeshare and mentioned needing experience in currency, language, etc. Perhaps the plan will be to transition to going to Europe independently.

It's his last sentence that removes all credibility from that -

"but that is also something I hope to undertake within the next five years."

I hope to be hung like Ron Jeremy, but so far it hasn't happened.

I'm not saying we won't do it, but Kelly is deliberately non-committal.

Peacock
05-19-2018, 04:44 PM
It's his last sentence that removes all credibility from that -



I hope to be hung like Ron Jeremy, but so far it hasn't happened.

I'm not saying we won't do it, but Kelly is deliberately non-committal.
It also doesn’t make sense to say something like: we will serve the following S American destinations by Jan 1st 2020.

Say things for a purpose: let investors know there’s a plan. Don’t actually spell out the plan for competitors before it’s necessary.

4thLevel
05-20-2018, 01:36 AM
It also doesn’t make sense to say something like: we will serve the following S American destinations by Jan 1st 2020.

Say things for a purpose: let investors know there’s a plan. Don’t actually spell out the plan for competitors before it’s necessary.

Agreed. But his track record for stating facts is far from stellar, and certainly nothing I would hang my hat on.

Twenty-five years? That is an airline eternity.

at6d
05-20-2018, 11:11 AM
That’s a lifetime for most!