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Finch
05-23-2018, 08:50 PM
I left Active Duty 4 years ago, went part time in the guard and decided to try my hand in the business world.

It sucked. 80-90 hour weeks, living on the road, and for the few hours I was home, I had a cellphone glued to my head. Plus, I was always stressed about making quota and pushing for last minute sales.

So, I'm going to throw my hat in the ring with the airlines. All of my friends that went this route seem extremely happy. They are still traveling, but when they are home, they are home!

I'm taking the ATP-CTP, the ATM written, and my ATP Practical next month.

I'm pretty pumped about this next phase of life, and I plan to lurk these message boards to learn more along the way.


BeatNavy
05-23-2018, 11:28 PM
Welcome. It sure beats workin for a living.

Han Solo
05-24-2018, 05:40 AM
I had an old childhood friend visit during his vacation. He's a minor VP at a bank and we went out on the boat for the afternoon. Spent the entire day on his phone answering questions and handling problems. I asked him if he's on vacation and why didn't he just leave his phone off? He just shook his head and kept going on the emails. And oh btw, he was probably pushing 300 lbs since his grueling work day gives 0 opportunity to take care of himself, no exercise and lots of junk food to git'er done. No way would I want any part of that world. Good luck getting hired, I'm a glass half empty guy but the grass is definitely greener on this side!!!


rickair7777
05-24-2018, 05:50 AM
Yeah private sector pales to airlines unless you own the company, it's in the black, and you have people you can trust to run it.

bizzlepilot
05-25-2018, 07:07 PM
Welcome to the party! After the ATP what is your plan? Good luck with whatever you decide, these boards are great for information.

FlewNavy
05-26-2018, 12:58 PM
I left Active Duty 4 years ago, went part time in the guard and decided to try my hand in the business world.

It sucked. 80-90 hour weeks, living on the road, and for the few hours I was home, I had a cellphone glued to my head. Plus, I was always stressed about making quota and pushing for last minute sales.

So, I'm going to throw my hat in the ring with the airlines. All of my friends that went this route seem extremely happy. They are still traveling, but when they are home, they are home!

I'm taking the ATP-CTP, the ATM written, and my ATP Practical next month.

I'm pretty pumped about this next phase of life, and I plan to lurk these message boards to learn more along the way.

You can probably contact a regional carrier of your choice and get the ATP-CTP, ATP etc on their dime. Its likely you will have to spend some time there anyway before any of the Big 3 call.

Pyro
05-27-2018, 11:00 AM
I left Active Duty 4 years ago, went part time in the guard and decided to try my hand in the business world.

It sucked. 80-90 hour weeks, living on the road, and for the few hours I was home, I had a cellphone glued to my head. Plus, I was always stressed about making quota and pushing for last minute sales.

So, I'm going to throw my hat in the ring with the airlines. All of my friends that went this route seem extremely happy. They are still traveling, but when they are home, they are home!

I'm taking the ATP-CTP, the ATM written, and my ATP Practical next month.

I'm pretty pumped about this next phase of life, and I plan to lurk these message boards to learn more along the way.

Hi Finch! I have a house you could buy.

Finch
06-01-2018, 07:49 PM
Hi Finch! I have a house you could buy.

Pyro - I was just telling Heather how much I miss that house! By far, my favorite domicile to-date!

Finch

Finch
06-01-2018, 07:52 PM
Welcome to the party! After the ATP what is your plan? Good luck with whatever you decide, these boards are great for information.

Bizzlepilot - Once ATP is complete, I'll tighten up my apps, get recommendations from the bros, hit submit and start interview prep through Cage/Emerald.

At least that's what everyone keeps telling me to do.

Any advice?

AFTrainerGuy
06-03-2018, 12:40 PM
Bizzlepilot - Once ATP is complete, I'll tighten up my apps, get recommendations from the bros, hit submit and start interview prep through Cage/Emerald.

At least that's what everyone keeps telling me to do.

Any advice?

Seems like same strategy we all did... seems to work. I just waited to do interview prep once I got invite. That way it was tailored toward company I was going to.

bizzlepilot
06-04-2018, 02:02 PM
Bizzlepilot - Once ATP is complete, I'll tighten up my apps, get recommendations from the bros, hit submit and start interview prep through Cage/Emerald.

At least that's what everyone keeps telling me to do.

Any advice?

That's a solid plan. Both Cage and Emerald are solid, I don't think you can go wrong and it is well worth the money. Definitely get the bro network involved, they were invaluable helping me get to my gig.

Good luck! PM if you ever have a question or need specifics answered.

Finch
06-07-2018, 09:02 AM
Seems like same strategy we all did... seems to work. I just waited to do interview prep once I got invite. That way it was tailored toward company I was going to.

Valid advice. Thanks.

rickair7777
06-07-2018, 09:45 AM
Valid advice. Thanks.

Depends. If they call you today for an interview next Tues, you'll probably be SOL on interview prep. I'm sure they're all pretty busy right now...

Unless you know that all the places you've applied will give you at least three weeks notice, I'd get the interview prep done sooner rather than later. They will all provide a last-minute "touch up" consultation once you get the interview.

Also have the tailored suit, logbook, biographical documents, and deep technical study all done in advance, so you can focus on research/prep for the specific airline when you get the call.

KYTBRD
06-12-2018, 01:57 PM
before any of the Big 3 call.

By big 3 I assume you’re referring to the passenger carriers.

I’d only go to those if you want to end up on a passenger’s social media count. Constantly ask for ride reports. And work twice as hard for about the same pay over your career. For me there were only the Big 2 and even then I only wanted one of those. Research actual schedules of the Cargo guys and you’ll find the standard concepts from are far from reality. I ran into a guy in TPA the other day, recent mil, hired buy SWA. He was shocked we were flying during the day. Had no concept of actual operations.

PRS Guitars
06-12-2018, 08:14 PM
Unless you know that all the places you've applied will give you at least three weeks notice, I'd get the interview prep done sooner rather than later. They will all provide a last-minute "touch up" consultation once you get the interview.


This for sure

I did the interview prep 18 months out and again at 6 months out. After the first prep, I realized I had some serious work to do and worked on compiling stories & situations. I felt much better in the second session and then started practicing answering hypothetical questions while driving to work. When I got the call, I was already prepared, which was a great feeling.

rickair7777
06-13-2018, 05:38 AM
By big 3 I assume you’re referring to the passenger carriers.

I’d only go to those if you want to end up on a passenger’s social media count. Constantly ask for ride reports. And work twice as hard for about the same pay over your career. For me there were only the Big 2 and even then I only wanted one of those. Research actual schedules of the Cargo guys and you’ll find the standard concepts from are far from reality. I ran into a guy in TPA the other day, recent mil, hired buy SWA. He was shocked we were flying during the day. Had no concept of actual operations.

The conventional wisdom today is to apply to the "Big Six" (Big Three + SWA/FDX/UPS). If you get multiple offers, then be choosy.

If you don't like work, maybe skip SWA.

If you have space shuttle experience, just apply to FDX and DAL.

sourdough44
06-17-2018, 05:28 AM
I had a buddy who left active duty my timeframe, early 90s. Those in the know remember it was a lean time with job offers, one had to jump through a few hoops. The buddy went towards the low end of the corporate world, I changed uniforms & kept flying.

About 8 years later he threw in the towel, said he wasted to much time. He’s at a ‘major’ now, took a handful of years to get back on track. If nothing else, most of us like the view out of the office window.

Delta Echo
06-25-2018, 12:52 AM
Sales is a nightmare... you are always stressed about your income, and never really feel safe... its not for everyone.

I hope u find your way as a pilot :)

I left Active Duty 4 years ago, went part time in the guard and decided to try my hand in the business world.

It sucked. 80-90 hour weeks, living on the road, and for the few hours I was home, I had a cellphone glued to my head. Plus, I was always stressed about making quota and pushing for last minute sales.

So, I'm going to throw my hat in the ring with the airlines. All of my friends that went this route seem extremely happy. They are still traveling, but when they are home, they are home!

I'm taking the ATP-CTP, the ATM written, and my ATP Practical next month.

I'm pretty pumped about this next phase of life, and I plan to lurk these message boards to learn more along the way.