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JetRage
05-26-2018, 11:04 AM
What are some of the best books out there for upgrade training. Specifically Part 121 upgrade. There are plenty of good Pilot books and plenty of good leadership books, however I'm finding very few oriented specifically toward 121 El Capitan. Any suggestions....


wrxpilot
05-26-2018, 12:34 PM
What are some of the best books out there for upgrade training. Specifically Part 121 upgrade. There are plenty of good Pilot books and plenty of good leadership books, however I'm finding very few oriented specifically toward 121 El Capitan. Any suggestions....

That’s a good question. Obviously your FOM/SOP. Another that was recommended to me was “It’s Your Ship”. The most important thing is your attitude, but considering that you’re even asking about this means you probably have a good and humble personality.

JohnBurke
05-26-2018, 02:01 PM
For 121 upgrade, the best thing you can do is careful and exhaustive observation of the captains with whom you fly. See what they do. See what they don't do. Find things that you like, don't like, and begin to incorporate these observations in your own actions and plans. Note their cadence, their planning. Take the time to sit down over dinner and discuss their thoughts. Ask them about their day and preparing for a trip. Paperwork. Following a trip.

Far more useful than a book will be the first-hand examples that surround you.


Flyhayes
05-28-2018, 10:10 AM
I found the best thing was to spend about a year just observing how my captains dealt with different situations. As you get closer to upgrade, ask try some of the captains duties such as getting the daily briefing, preparing the weight and balance (we're still old school) or doing a mx write up. Ask questions as they arise, and study your companies AOM/GOM and other manuals. Being in the left seat really isn't rocket surgery, it just requires more of a top down approach to things than just driving the airplane.

JetRage
05-28-2018, 01:15 PM
Thanks for the suggestion fellows but I am actually looking for books, specifically. One would think of all the piles of aviation books on my shelf I could find a good one on amazon, jeppeson or sportys geared specifically toward a 121 upgrade program thats more dynamic than reading that snoozer of a GOM again.

If that book doesn't exist, someone should think about writing it. Buck buck$$$.

JohnBurke
05-29-2018, 09:36 PM
Not everything you need to know will be found in a book.

Flyhayes
05-30-2018, 07:09 AM
Quite frankly, if you feel that you are in need of a specific book on upgrade training, you probably aren’t ready for upgrade.

JetRage
05-30-2018, 11:43 AM
Quite frankly, if you feel that you are in need of a specific book on upgrade training, you probably aren’t ready for upgrade.

Troll elsewhere cowboy.

JohnBurke
05-30-2018, 11:57 AM
He's right. Ignore-list for you. I'm done.

HercDriver130
05-31-2018, 07:22 AM
Not everything you need to know will be found in a book.

Spot on... it cant be learned in a book... Jesus h christ man... take our advice and get out there and observe....

tomgoodman
05-31-2018, 07:32 AM
Here’s the one you need: :D

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41jBSMCflDL._SL500_SX333_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

HIFLYR
06-09-2018, 06:25 PM
Know the Captain's:
Flows, Briefs, cockpit setup, be knowledgable of your companies FOM and familiarize yourself with the aircraft systems. One of the hardest things I have observed for some is make the transition from the doer to the leader. i.e. let the FO do their job and you do yours run the cockpit.

TDXPilot
06-12-2018, 07:03 AM
Try “Aircraft Command Techniques” by Sal J. Fallucco.

John Carr
06-12-2018, 10:05 AM
Sporty's How an Airline Captain Should Look and Act (DVD) - from Sporty's Pilot Shop (http://www.sportys.com/pilotshop/sporty-s-how-an-airline-captain-should-look-and-act-dvd.html)

https://youtu.be/kQFeZRNNL6U

And on a serious note, NOT to pipe on, but it can’t ALL be read in books......

And as mentioned Like a lot of others, I learned a lot sitting FO during the “dark decade”. Watching/observing the CA’s I liked/dislike. ALWAYS being apprectiative of the CA’s that helped mentor me all along as well as before going to upgrade.

But I learned A LOT MORE after I upgraded.

JohnBurke
06-12-2018, 12:42 PM
But I learned A LOT MORE after I upgraded.

Bingo.

There is no level D simulation to replace the school of hard knocks. It's live.

JetRage
06-12-2018, 09:13 PM
Try “Aircraft Command Techniques” by Sal J. Fallucco.

Just bought, thanks. For the record I have no shot at upgrade at my current airline for the foreseeable future, but trying not to get complacent in the right seat.

tomgoodman
06-13-2018, 05:40 AM
Bingo.

There is no level D simulation to replace the school of hard knocks. It's live.


An alternate theory holds that life itself is a giant simulator, with those hard knocks being the abnormals and emergencies given us by the Great Instructor. Some day the motion will be turned off and we will debrief. ;)

C130driver
06-13-2018, 08:13 AM
An alternate theory holds that life itself is a giant simulator, with those hard knocks being the abnormals and emergencies given us by the Great Instructor. Some day the motion will be turned off and we will debrief. ;)

Shhhh, you might offend someone !

JohnBurke
06-13-2018, 08:59 AM
An alternate theory holds that life itself is a giant simulator, with those hard knocks being the abnormals and emergencies given us by the Great Instructor. Some day the motion will be turned off and we will debrief. ;)

And those of us who have lived good simulations will go down to the cafeteria for a mountain dew and reeces peanut butter cup, while those who have not will be jammed in a small unairconditioned briefing room with 70 unwashed angry male virgins.

It's a rough simulated life.



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