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RedOverWhite
06-06-2018, 06:36 AM
Since classes may (or may not) be running twice a month going forward, thought it might be useful to put this under itís own thread instead of separate interview groups.

I know there is a 6/20 class, did one also start today?


nuball5
06-06-2018, 07:04 AM
Yeah a buddy of mine started today. Mostly Airbus I think.

Navier Stokes
06-06-2018, 05:27 PM
Think it was all JFK
6 320
2 190


CaptCoolHand
06-07-2018, 05:30 AM
Says bid has 22 upgrades
39 fo slots

Bluedriver
06-07-2018, 07:47 AM
Says bid has 22 upgrades
39 fo slots

The NEXT bid (or is it the next next next bid) is gonna be yuuuggge!

capt707
06-07-2018, 08:06 AM
The NEXT bid (or is it the next next next bid) is gonna be yuuuggge!

Dude! Didnít you see? MCO has like 2-3 openings in each aircraft and seat. Thatís yuuuuge!

Bluedriver
06-07-2018, 08:08 AM
Dude! Didnít you see? MCO has like 2-3 openings in each aircraft and seat. Thatís yuuuuge!

Oh-yeah!!!!

And we'll be able to staff BOTH A320 deliveries over the next 6 months!!!

PasserOGas
06-07-2018, 10:18 AM
The NEXT bid (or is it the next next next bid) is gonna be yuuuggge!

To put that into perspective, it's 0.6% movement. Less than 1%. But we are not stagnant according to some on here.

Bluedriver
06-07-2018, 10:40 AM
To put that into perspective, it's 0.6% movement. Less than 1%. But we are not stagnant according to some on here.

I know, and someone just brought that stupid debate up again in a snarky way.

It's the difference they want to argue between LITERALLY stagnant and PRACTICALLY SPEAKING stagnant.

Whatever. My position, practically speaking, we are stagnant.

If someone wants to go Webster's on that statement, I just don't GAF.

.6%, enough said.

aldonite7667
06-07-2018, 10:43 AM
Says bid has 22 upgrades
39 fo slots

13 airbus upgrades
21 E190 upgrades

Bluedriver
06-07-2018, 10:53 AM
13 airbus upgrades
21 E190 upgrades

I see what you did there!

But still only 21 total upgrades.

windrider
06-07-2018, 11:00 AM
Wow I may move up 2 or 3 spots on the 190. Movement!!! Yeeeesssssss!

Bluedriver
06-07-2018, 11:26 AM
New system bid update 2.0 released.

Makes more sense!

FSUpilot
06-07-2018, 03:21 PM
New system bid update 2.0 released.

Makes more sense!

Whatís in the update?

CaptCoolHand
06-07-2018, 03:35 PM
Just to play devils advocate. What % will the big 3 move in the next 3 months? Do we know? Someone knows.

I know, and someone just brought that stupid debate up again in a snarky way.

It's the difference they want to argue between LITERALLY stagnant and PRACTICALLY SPEAKING stagnant.

Whatever. My position, practically speaking, we are stagnant.

If someone wants to go Webster's on that statement, I just don't GAF.

.6%, enough said.

RedOverWhite
06-07-2018, 05:20 PM
Whatís in the update?

Basically 60-ish 320 vacancies and zero 190 vacancies. Quite a change from 20 minutes before.

GuppyPuppy
06-08-2018, 04:10 AM
Heard two E190s taken out of service and won't be coming back.

Giggity!

GP

nuball5
06-08-2018, 04:33 AM
Heard two E190s taken out of service and won't be coming back.

Giggity!

GP

Something fishy is going on. 190 pilot....I've had 6 flights pulled from my schedule weeks in advance. Airbus open-time has a bunch of 4-leg day trips that the 190 would fly.

seekingblue
06-08-2018, 05:40 AM
Something fishy is going on. 190 pilot....I've had 6 flights pulled from my schedule weeks in advance. Airbus open-time has a bunch of 4-leg day trips that the 190 would fly.

Intel from the other site is that 2 (maybe 3) 190s are down with wing spar issues. Word is this is a new issue and EMB hasn't come up with a solution yet....

PasserOGas
06-08-2018, 05:50 AM
Intel from the other site is that 2 (maybe 3) 190s are down with wing spar issues. Word is this is a new issue and EMB hasn't come up with a solution yet....


So, C series it is then. Anyone know if we still have warranties on those?

:eek:

hilltopflyer
06-08-2018, 06:01 AM
Intel from the other site is that 2 (maybe 3) 190s are down with wing spar issues. Word is this is a new issue and EMB hasn't come up with a solution yet....

Not just emb hasn't come up with a solution, they said it's your planes you fix them. Pretty much tried and washed their hands of the issue

CaptCoolHand
06-08-2018, 06:04 AM
Not just emb hasn't come up with a solution, they said it's your planes you fix them. Pretty much tried and washed their hands of the issue

Is this the GFYS from EMB? due to a bye bye to the 190?


oh please please please :eek: puddy is spooging his pants lol.

pilotpayne
06-08-2018, 06:12 AM
Is this the GFYS from EMB? due to a bye bye to the 190?


oh please please please :eek: puddy is spooging his pants lol.

I would not be surprised

hilltopflyer
06-08-2018, 06:16 AM
Is this the GFYS from EMB? due to a bye bye to the 190?


oh please please please :eek: puddy is spooging his pants lol.

That's my guess. Just what a maintenance guy said emb told them.

Bluedriver
06-08-2018, 07:18 AM
So, C series it is then. Anyone know if we still have warranties on those?

:eek:

Something this important won't deter us from buying the E2 for a second.

CaptCoolHand
06-08-2018, 08:58 AM
Something this important won't deter us from buying the E2 for a second.

I hear XJT is looking for work. Iíd love to take the summer off😆

David Puddy
06-08-2018, 09:03 AM
Is this the GFYS from EMB? due to a bye bye to the 190?


oh please please please :eek: puddy is spooging his pants lol.

Hey - whoís spying on me???? ;)

If we go CSeries, everyone will be happier with the airplane - pilots will love the room up front and the automation (sidesticks yay!), the pax will love the new ergonomics (huge bins, huge windows and big lavs) vs the ďstretched E170Ē and Robin will appreciate the versatility of the airplane - MCO-BOI or FLL-PDX are possible with the CS300 just like the typical BOS-JFK-DCA shuttle. Swiss flies them on 30 minute shuttle flights to Paris as well as 4-5 hour flights across Europe. You get more options and flexibility with the CSeries.

Who knows what will happen? Hopefully weíll hear more soon.

PasserOGas
06-08-2018, 10:56 AM
Hey - whoís spying on me???? ;)

If we go CSeries, everyone will be happier with the airplane - pilots will love the room up front and the automation (sidesticks yay!), the pax will love the new ergonomics (huge bins, huge windows and big lavs) vs the ďstretched E170Ē and Robin will appreciate the versatility of the airplane - MCO-BOI or FLL-PDX are possible with the CS300 just like the typical BOS-JFK-DCA shuttle. Swiss flies them on 30 minute shuttle flights to Paris as well as 4-5 hour flights across Europe. You get more options and flexibility with the CSeries.

Who knows what will happen? Hopefully weíll hear more soon.

Yeah! And, and, we can fly them for 15% less than Delta! Robin will be THRILLED!

AYLflyer
06-08-2018, 10:57 AM
Something fishy is going on. 190 pilot....I've had 6 flights pulled from my schedule weeks in advance. Airbus open-time has a bunch of 4-leg day trips that the 190 would fly.

I was wondering what was going on. I've had a couple legs pulled as well. Good god if these things have spar issues, or other underlying issues this company would be insane to not dump the Brazilian trash back into the jungle and go get some C series.

PasserOGas
06-08-2018, 04:03 PM
Can you guys imagine if the company had to place 320's on a significant portion of the 190 routes? I can just imagine the bloodbath when they ask for help from this group after the news in the last union blast.

Bozo the pilot
06-08-2018, 04:25 PM
Can you guys imagine if the company had to place 320's on a significant portion of the 190 routes? I can just imagine the bloodbath when they ask for help from this group after the news in the last union blast.

My wish for the summer if the language isnt resolved in a week.
Terrible job by B6 this week. Shocker ;)

blueballs
06-08-2018, 04:29 PM
My wish for the summer if the language isnt resolved in a week.
Terrible job by B6 this week. Shocker ;)
A week? Theyíve had 4. They need to fix this in the morning. Any slight good will they may have bought just went up in smoke

Bozo the pilot
06-08-2018, 04:37 PM
A week? Theyíve had 4. They need to fix this in the morning. Any slight good will they may have bought just went up in smoke

Im with ya. Im out of patience as well- But NOT with the union.
With B6.

queue
06-08-2018, 08:28 PM
Im with ya. Im out of patience as well- But NOT with the union.
With B6.

B6 fillabustering to use time as a weapon is a given for any adversary.

B6ALPA being foolish and naiive not to know this and not to act on it is inexcusable. Had it been me, I would've had Information Operations mobilized Day 1 ALPA got on property and not ending until we got a contract with Pay & Rules commensurate a professional pilot. They CHOSE to cancel the informational picket for whatever reason. Vietnam comes to mind... North Korea and Iran playing the US while they develop nukes comes to mind...

But... RJ mentality people at BJ always fall for RJ management tactics since they don't know better. Carry on defeatists, apologists, and low rent regional mentality pilots... you're getting what you deserve from BJ.

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RedOverWhite
06-20-2018, 11:39 AM
Anyone know what the assignments were from todayís class?

RiddleEagle18
06-20-2018, 03:23 PM
Anyone know what the assignments were from todayís class?



Donít know about today and not sure if anyone posted the latest unfilled system bid results

Staffing to be filled based on December bid....

JFK320FO - 29
BOS320FO - 6

JFK190FO - 13
BOS190FO - 15


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FSUpilot
06-20-2018, 05:45 PM
Anyone know what the assignments were from todayís class?

I think the same as the last...

6 320
2 190

All showed up....

RedOverWhite
06-20-2018, 05:57 PM
All JFK again?

Bluedriver
06-20-2018, 06:12 PM
I think the same as the last...

6 320
2 190

All showed up....

YES!!! 8 Pilots, TAKE THAT DELTA!

FSUpilot
06-20-2018, 06:23 PM
All JFK again?

Mix of JFK/BOS

nuball5
06-21-2018, 12:02 AM
YES!!! 8 Pilots, TAKE THAT DELTA!

I don't get it...isn't Delta over four times the size of Jetblue? Also hearing rumors that Delta canceled/postponed the rest of their summer classes.

PasserOGas
06-21-2018, 04:10 AM
I don't get it...isn't Delta over four times the size of Jetblue? Also hearing rumors that Delta canceled/postponed the rest of their summer classes.

Yes, and at our current growth rate it always will be.

Southerner
06-21-2018, 04:14 AM
I don't get it...isn't Delta over four times the size of Jetblue? Also hearing rumors that Delta canceled/postponed the rest of their summer classes.

We always slow hiring over the summer. The instructors are about to go through recurrent, so things slow down during that process.

If you look at the last system bid and divide the vacant positions by the remaining months, that's approximately how many per month we will hire. Give or take...

Once we see what happens with the TA and the next system bid it will be more clear what hiring will be like this year.

flying320
06-25-2018, 09:01 AM
We always slow hiring over the summer. The instructors are about to go through recurrent, so things slow down during that process.

If you look at the last system bid and divide the vacant positions by the remaining months, that's approximately how many per month we will hire. Give or take...

Once we see what happens with the TA and the next system bid it will be more clear what hiring will be like this year.

We are scheduled to have 2 classes per month until the end of October.

RedOverWhite
07-11-2018, 10:51 AM
Did a class start this week?

Pilot417
07-11-2018, 11:42 AM
Did a class start this week?

Yes, Class 13-18

RedOverWhite
07-11-2018, 11:47 AM
Any idea what the assignments were?

CanoeBum
07-11-2018, 02:50 PM
any idea what the assignments were?

5 a220- dca
5 e190- sju

jstyle13
07-11-2018, 02:57 PM
Any idea what the assignments were?

3 JfK 190
2 Jfk bus.

Bluedriver
07-11-2018, 03:05 PM
3 JfK 190
2 Jfk bus.

5 Pilots? Must be staffing for the new CBA!

jetpilot285
07-11-2018, 03:48 PM
3 JfK 190
2 Jfk bus.

Are you in the class? do you guys get to vote on the TA too?

BeatNavy
07-11-2018, 04:31 PM
Are you in the class? do you guys get to vote on the TA too?

Only those who completed IOE prior to the voting window opening are eligible to vote.

Bozo the pilot
07-11-2018, 04:32 PM
5 Pilots? Must be staffing for the new CBA!

I was thinkn the same thing :D
B6 are such planners arent they?

Bluedriver
07-11-2018, 04:43 PM
I was thinkn the same thing :D
B6 are such planners arent they?

They actually plan a lot of things. But none of them are useful to pilots or running an airline. Potato farms, electric airplanes, cost neutral pay "raises", executive bonuses, etc...

Beast
07-11-2018, 06:38 PM
It was 2 320 and 3 190 and you could pick JFK or BOS for either airframe.

HeloBubba53
07-11-2018, 06:47 PM
Is it true they got rid of the owl? Ie. Nothing for him/her to carry around?

BeatNavy
07-11-2018, 07:09 PM
Is it true they got rid of the owl? Ie. Nothing for him/her to carry around?

Yup. And the caboose is ridiculous now

ARL120384
07-14-2018, 07:10 AM
Yup. And the caboose is ridiculous now

I saw the caboose this week. It's a bit much. A backpack, baby stroller, and a bunch of shÔt hanging off that thing. Leave that crap in the room.

hilltopflyer
07-14-2018, 10:31 AM
The owl was stopped because a certain gender was going to file a gender inequality lawsuit because of it.

Bozo the pilot
07-14-2018, 11:49 AM
The owl was stopped because a certain gender was going to file a gender inequality lawsuit because of it.

Classic- I hope thats true:D

pilotpayne
07-14-2018, 12:23 PM
Classic- I hope thats true:D

Oh itís true

Southerner
07-14-2018, 02:10 PM
The owl was stopped because a certain gender was going to file a gender inequality lawsuit because of it.

It had nothing to do with gender.

hilltopflyer
07-14-2018, 03:13 PM
It had nothing to do with gender.

Was it an age discrimination suit? I knew it was one of those. Just figured since it was a female who was the owl it was gender.

CaptCoolHand
07-14-2018, 04:48 PM
YGTBFKM

That b!tch should be fired. Violation of the fun value. Buhbye.

Wtf.


Come on!

BunkerF16
07-14-2018, 05:02 PM
Was it an age discrimination suit? I knew it was one of those. Just figured since it was a female who was the owl it was gender.


Age..........

littlefuz
07-29-2018, 10:40 AM
Anyone have the base and aircraft asignments for the July 25, 2018 class?

jetpilot285
07-29-2018, 12:26 PM
4 bus ...6 E190 base either JFK or BOS

surreal1221
07-29-2018, 12:49 PM
YGTBFKM

That b!tch should be fired. Violation of the fun value. Buhbye.

Wtf.


Come on!

Word on the street is that she ended up being terminated anyway...

You know, don't get a job with an airline and then continually refuse to come to work. Eventually the hammer will fall on you. This, and any other company, hires people to be productive members of the workplace. If you keep refusing to show up for reserve days - no one is going to defend you when you're woefully just not showing up.

hilltopflyer
07-29-2018, 12:51 PM
Word on the street is that she ended up being terminated anyway...

You know, don't get a job with an airline and then continually refuse to come to work. Eventually the hammer will fall on you. This, and any other company, hires people to be productive members of the workplace. If you keep refusing to show up for reserve days - no one is going to defend you when you're woefully just not showing up.

Seriously? Yikes

surreal1221
07-29-2018, 12:52 PM
Seriously? Yikes

Yes, seriously.

I don't encourage anyone to test how many OOP or UNA they can get before the hammer finally falls. You were hired for a job, perform. Or, don't get into the industry that requires you to spend time away from home...

727_Driver
07-29-2018, 01:21 PM
The owl was stopped because a certain gender was going to file a gender inequality lawsuit because of it.

I seriously hope you are joking....

Southerner
07-29-2018, 01:32 PM
I seriously hope you are joking....

It wasn't a gender issue.

Minty
07-29-2018, 02:08 PM
Not a joke

hilltopflyer
07-29-2018, 05:36 PM
I seriously hope you are joking....

It wasnít gender apparently but it was age discrimination. But the person suing wasnít a male.

jstyle13
07-29-2018, 06:49 PM
It wasnít gender apparently but it was age discrimination. But the person suing wasnít a male.

So she threw a hissy fit about being the class owl and upholding the tradition because it was age discrimination?

So Iím sure she also gave up her age-based #1 pick for plane/domicile in the newhire class as well right???

The701Express
07-29-2018, 07:11 PM
Millennial snowflakes amirite? :D :rolleyes:

hilltopflyer
07-29-2018, 07:12 PM
Millennial snowflakes amirite? :D :rolleyes:

Haha I guess it would be a generation x that is a wanna be millennial. Not sure why anyone would want to be a millennial

PasserOGas
07-29-2018, 09:12 PM
Yes, seriously.

I don't encourage anyone to test how many OOP or UNA they can get before the hammer finally falls. You were hired for a job, perform. Or, don't get into the industry that requires you to spend time away from home...

Even if you follow the commuter policy here. Because we don't have one.

Cloud5urfer
07-30-2018, 02:44 AM
Haha I guess it would be a generation x that is a wanna be millennial. Not sure why anyone would want to be a millennial

More like a late baby boomer. And she was weird AF. Wrote some books on aviation and had some real interesting type ratings though.

AYLflyer
07-30-2018, 06:48 AM
It wasnít gender apparently but it was age discrimination. But the person suing wasnít a male.

Jesus H Christ. What the F is wrong with people. I'm sure she's going to be an absolute PLEASURE to fly with as well.

Bozo the pilot
07-30-2018, 06:51 AM
Even if you follow the commuter policy here. Because we don't have one.

Pog finds a way to defend. Well done. :rolleyes:

NewType
08-01-2018, 09:46 AM
Anyone know how long it would take for a new hire to get LGB?

BeatNavy
08-01-2018, 10:03 AM
Anyone know how long it would take for a new hire to get LGB?

2 years plus or minus 1 is my guess. Could be worse if we shrink it any more.

TorukMacto
08-01-2018, 10:32 AM
What about time to get to FLL?

Isaiah4031
08-07-2018, 03:30 PM
Class starting today

8 190's,
4 320's all JFK

hilltopflyer
08-07-2018, 05:09 PM
Class starting today

8 190's,
4 320's all JFK

Soon to be all 190 for every class

DontCallMeCindy
08-07-2018, 06:15 PM
Soon to be all 190 for every class

Not necessarily

DontCallMeCindy
08-07-2018, 06:33 PM
Soon to be all 190 for every class

Not every single 190 FO off seat lock wants to transition to bus FO immediatelyóIíve talked to some who plan on upgrading to 190 CA as it goes junior w all the 190 CAs bidding over to bus CA. There will also be bus FOs who take first available upgrade onto the 190.

Obviously 320 vacancies for new hires will become much more rare, but there will be monthly needs on the bus that mismatch with the transition and upgrade training pipeline of 190 and 320 FOs.

I also know some 320 FOs who are going to the 190 when their seat lock expires for the short-term QOL until they see what the plan is for the CSeries, and hoping to snag a junior 190 CA vacancy followed by a CSeries vacancy before they (possibly) get bumped back to bus FO.

Itís gonna be an interesting couple of years for crew planning and training scheduling!!!

dontsurf
08-07-2018, 06:45 PM
...hoping to snag a junior 190 CA vacancy followed by a CSeries vacancy before they (possibly) get bumped back to bus FO.

can you explain this sequence of possible events, please? i consider myself in the group hoping to snag a junior 190 CA slot, but i am not seeing the next parts. thanks.

nuball5
08-07-2018, 08:02 PM
Not every single 190 FO off seat lock wants to transition to bus FO immediatelyóIíve talked to some who plan on upgrading to 190 CA as it goes junior w all the 190 CAs bidding over to bus CA. There will also be bus FOs who take first available upgrade onto the 190.

Obviously 320 vacancies for new hires will become much more rare, but there will be monthly needs on the bus that mismatch with the transition and upgrade training pipeline of 190 and 320 FOs.

I also know some 320 FOs who are going to the 190 when their seat lock expires for the short-term QOL until they see what the plan is for the CSeries, and hoping to snag a junior 190 CA vacancy followed by a CSeries vacancy before they (possibly) get bumped back to bus FO.

Itís gonna be an interesting couple of years for crew planning and training scheduling!!!

If these 320 FO's you're talking about haven't made it past their two year equipment lock yet, they'll never be a 190 CA at Jetblue. They probably have a better chance getting hired at AA and becoming a 190 CA there. Also the plan for the C-Series is that the majority won't have a chance to fly it until about 2022-2023.

hilltopflyer
08-07-2018, 08:08 PM
Over under on how junior the 190 cpt slot goes?

jtrain609
08-07-2018, 09:35 PM
Over under on how junior the 190 cpt slot goes?

3,000.........

btodd77
08-08-2018, 01:47 AM
How long for a new hire to hold MCO??

GuppyPuppy
08-08-2018, 02:38 AM
Five

Gup

nuball5
08-08-2018, 04:37 AM
Over under on how junior the 190 cpt slot goes?

Yeah I would say #3,000 two years from now, which is when they'll start thinking about removing the fleet. I still don't think you'll see any large disparity between the Bus and 190 in terms of how junior it'll go on the CA side.

CaptCoolHand
08-08-2018, 04:47 AM
How long for a new hire to hold MCO??

I think the latest bid had guys just over the two year mark on the 190. Donít know what the 320 is now.

Junior ca is 190 at 7 yrs
He bid one prior to that was 10yrs and it was me.
Junior 320 ca is 13-14

Lots changing in the next 2-4yrs. Donít plan on past performance being an I dictator for future results.

symbian simian
08-08-2018, 07:39 AM
I think the latest bid had guys just over the two year mark on the 190. Donít know what the 320 is now.

Junior ca is 190 at 7 yrs
He bid one prior to that was 10yrs and it was me.
Junior 320 ca is 13-14

Lots changing in the next 2-4yrs. Donít plan on past performance being an I dictator for future results.

You are going to be a dictator??




(Sorry)

Fleet Warp
08-08-2018, 08:19 AM
https://johnjohns1.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Did+somebody+say+dick+tater+_a065784dc3fd6f78bd984 1d4118d7a24.jpg

Sorry

PasserOGas
08-08-2018, 08:25 AM
https://johnjohns1.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Did+somebody+say+dick+tater+_a065784dc3fd6f78bd984 1d4118d7a24.jpg

Sorry

Ours are purple.

RiddleEagle18
08-08-2018, 09:18 AM
Keep in mind your FIRST upgrade is no longer subject to the lock.


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CaptCoolHand
08-08-2018, 09:32 AM
:eek:You are going to be a dictator??




(Sorry)

:D:D

Nice!
LOL

hilltopflyer
08-08-2018, 09:50 AM
Keep in mind your FIRST upgrade is no longer subject to the lock.


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Really? If you went from 190fo -320fo-190cpt there wouldnít be a seat lock on the bus?

RiddleEagle18
08-08-2018, 09:51 AM
K. Equipment Freeze
1. A Pilot who completes Upgrade or Transition into a different aircraft incurs a two (2) year Equipment Freeze. The Equipment Freeze begins on the date the Pilot begins training (including home study) and ends two (2) years later on the same date. A Pilot may not be awarded an Upgrade, Downgrade or Transition into a different aircraft if the Effective Date of the award is prior to the end of the freeze, except as provided below:
a. He can hold an Upgrade Status on different equipment, provided it is his first Upgrade to Captain,



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hilltopflyer
08-08-2018, 02:20 PM
K. Equipment Freeze
1. A Pilot who completes Upgrade or Transition into a different aircraft incurs a two (2) year Equipment Freeze. The Equipment Freeze begins on the date the Pilot begins training (including home study) and ends two (2) years later on the same date. A Pilot may not be awarded an Upgrade, Downgrade or Transition into a different aircraft if the Effective Date of the award is prior to the end of the freeze, except as provided below:
a. He can hold an Upgrade Status on different equipment, provided it is his first Upgrade to Captain,



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Didnít catch that tidbit. Thanks

Skitz
08-12-2018, 05:21 AM
Anyone have the breakdown of base assignments/aircraft for the 8/8/2018 class??

Cheers

CFDJC4
08-14-2018, 06:34 AM
Anyone have the breakdown of base assignments/aircraft for the 8/8/2018 class??

Cheers

8 E190 BOS or JFK
4 A320 BOS or JFK

Kilroy
08-20-2018, 07:28 AM
Any idea what the slots are for the upcoming class starting this week regarding the A320 or E190?

themagicman00
11-19-2018, 04:24 AM
Any recent class drops?
TIA

nuball5
11-19-2018, 05:16 AM
Any recent class drops?
TIA

190, 190 and more 190. Bos/Jfk

Bluedriver
11-19-2018, 09:16 PM
190, 190 and more 190. Bos/Jfk

I think you missed a class,



of 190s.

727_Driver
11-25-2018, 01:59 AM
I think itís going to be mostly 190ís for awhile now.

hilltopflyer
11-25-2018, 05:14 AM
I think itís going to be mostly 190ís for awhile now.

Probably from now on Iíd guess. If there is a 320 class they will sit reserve for years.... I feel for the last class that went through.

727_Driver
11-25-2018, 06:53 AM
Probably from now on Iíd guess. If there is a 320 class they will sit reserve for years.... I feel for the last class that went through.



I am guessing there wonít be s lot of movement until a lot of the 220ís start arriving.


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littlefuz
01-10-2019, 05:33 AM
Anyone have updates on the class drops in Dec and the new Jan class? Thanks

aldonite7667
01-10-2019, 05:35 AM
I believe 30 in December. I heard 30 started yesterday.

littlefuz
01-10-2019, 05:37 AM
Any airbus slots?

Skitz
01-10-2019, 06:03 AM
Any airbus slots?

12 JFK Bus, 16 BOS/JFK 190

hilltopflyer
01-10-2019, 07:16 AM
12 JFK Bus, 16 BOS/JFK 190

Feel sorry for the airbus guys. Be on reserve for rest of their lifw

AYLflyer
01-10-2019, 10:01 AM
Maybe I'm missing something but how the hell are new hires going to the Bus?

usmc-sgt
01-10-2019, 10:47 AM
Maybe I'm missing something but how the hell are new hires going to the Bus?

..Vacancies

hilltopflyer
01-10-2019, 11:27 AM
..Vacancies

Did they have vacancies on the bus? I thought they were all filled last go around

CanoeBum
01-10-2019, 11:47 AM
Great Scott, we have guys here that canít even read a system bid award... everyday bluejet makes more sense.

hilltopflyer
01-10-2019, 03:39 PM
Great Scott, we have guys here that canít even read a system bid award... everyday bluejet makes more sense.

That was a couple weeks ago. I forget what came out yesterday.

Xtreme87
01-10-2019, 04:33 PM
37 bus vacancies by June.

P-3Bubba
01-11-2019, 04:53 AM
150, 190 FO vacancies. Theyíll prob get filled Fromm Ab Initio Guys.

-Bubs

Byrdmen
01-11-2019, 12:09 PM
28 pilots, 2 instructors.

themagicman00
01-11-2019, 07:02 PM
Buddy of mine said, not all the Bus slots were taken in his January 9th class. Next class is the 23rd.

mckenrj
01-19-2019, 06:56 AM
Any word on if they are starting systems class immediately after indoc or are training delays expected?

hyperboy
01-19-2019, 07:59 AM
Any word on if they are starting systems class immediately after indoc or are training delays expected?




Most went home for at least a week after indoc this week. I asked one of them.

littlefuz
01-23-2019, 06:58 AM
Any updates on todayís class drop?

Skitz
01-23-2019, 07:22 AM
Any updates on todayís class drop?

Same as lastÖ12 Bus 16 E190.

Quiet Storm
01-23-2019, 01:19 PM
Any updates on todayís class drop?


12 BUS JFK
16 190 JFK BOS Split

littlefuz
01-23-2019, 06:42 PM
Thanks and good to know we are bringing more pilots in. I wonder how long they will keep up this pace? Seems like it is more than they were planning.

hyperboy
01-23-2019, 07:10 PM
Thanks and good to know we are bringing more pilots in. I wonder how long they will keep up this pace? Seems like it is more than they were planning.

If i was a betting man i would say 400ish?.......

capt707
01-24-2019, 05:38 AM
Thanks and good to know we are bringing more pilots in. I wonder how long they will keep up this pace? Seems like it is more than they were planning.

It sounds like they are going to start deferring deliveries.

They always says hiring 400, and we end up hiring 250

hilltopflyer
01-24-2019, 05:50 AM
I still think they are going to have to hire a lot just to cover rsv rules and vacation. I donít really see that number going down. I think the deferrals were just to delay the massive training schedule.

Dyrek2
01-24-2019, 06:41 AM
I still think they are going to have to hire a lot just to cover rsv rules and vacation. I donít really see that number going down. I think the deferrals were just to delay the massive training schedule.

From a guy on the negotiating committee, the new vacation policy that goes into effect in 2020 was estimated to account for 180-200 new hires. Those are new hires above and beyond what's needed for growth, attrition, etc. over the next two years.

My guess is the deferrals are simply a case of capacity issues related to training.

CaptCoolHand
01-24-2019, 06:52 AM
From a guy on the negotiating committee, the new vacation policy that goes into effect in 2020 was estimated to account for 180-200 new hires. Those are new hires above and beyond what's needed for growth, attrition, etc. over the next two years.

My guess is the deferrals are simply a case of capacity issues related to training.

It says the deferrals are related to airbus production issues.

Dyrek2
01-24-2019, 07:01 AM
It says the deferrals are related to airbus production issues.

Maybe.....but awfully convenient! :)

hilltopflyer
01-24-2019, 07:04 AM
It says the deferrals are related to airbus production issues.

Sure. Iím positive thatís what they will want everyone to believe

ERJDCA
01-24-2019, 07:23 AM
If i was a betting man i would say 400ish?.......

In the interview last week, we were told 350 for 2019.

hilltopflyer
01-24-2019, 07:45 AM
In the interview last week, we were told 350 for 2019.

So more like 275 with 60 already hired.

jtrain609
01-24-2019, 08:26 AM
Sure. Iím positive thatís what they will want everyone to believe

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-18/airbus-needs-twelve-more-months-to-catch-up-on-a320-neo-delays

pilotpayne
01-24-2019, 09:16 AM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-18/airbus-needs-twelve-more-months-to-catch-up-on-a320-neo-delays

And we pushed back the NEO and went with the standard 321s last year right? Guess that was a good call.

PasserOGas
01-24-2019, 09:27 AM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-18/airbus-needs-twelve-more-months-to-catch-up-on-a320-neo-delays

Any reason (besides ELT greed) we would be issuing debt to buy back stock?

hyperboy
01-24-2019, 09:42 AM
Any reason (besides ELT greed) we would be issuing debt to buy back stock?

https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/040815/what-situations-does-it-benefit-company-buy-back-outstanding-shares.asp

PasserOGas
01-24-2019, 10:04 AM
https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/040815/what-situations-does-it-benefit-company-buy-back-outstanding-shares.asp

Yeah. I know. That's what I was getting at.

From your link:
"inflate important financial metrics or free up profits to pay executive bonuses."

Bluedriver
01-24-2019, 01:35 PM
It says the deferrals are related to airbus production issues.

Lies. I've been predicting for months that we wouldn't take 13 Airbuses next year, because we CAN'T. Until they resolve the E190 training problem, that THEY created.

Now do you actually think they would admit their low E190 pay is biting them in the A&&? Um, no. Nothing is EVER their fault and they love any reason to slow deliveries.

Frankly we have a lot of clout with Airbus. If we wanted our deliveries we would get them over other smaller customers.

Bozo the pilot
01-25-2019, 05:38 AM
Lies. I've been predicting for months that we wouldn't take 13 Airbuses next year, because we CAN'T. Until they resolve the E190 training problem, that THEY created.

Now do you actually think they would admit their low E190 pay is biting them in the A&&? Um, no. Nothing is EVER their fault and they love any reason to slow deliveries.

Frankly we have a lot of clout with Airbus. If we wanted our deliveries we would get them over other smaller customers.

This seems correct. They cant adapt to their numerous miscalculations. Fun to watch them spin the facts though. The 190 will be here for at least another 7 years.

Bluedriver
01-25-2019, 07:52 AM
This seems correct. They cant adapt to their numerous miscalculations. Fun to watch them spin the facts though. The 190 will be here for at least another 7 years.

We are one of Airbuses most important customers. If we WANTED all 13 jets this year, we'd get them. The truth isn't being told and I saw it coming easily.

ERJDCA
01-25-2019, 08:51 AM
So more like 275 with 60 already hired.

Well that 60 Iím assuming were hired during the 2018 interviews, who are starting class in 2019. I think they are looking for 350 to Ďhireí in 2019.

Bluedriver
01-25-2019, 09:19 AM
Well that 60 Iím assuming were hired during the 2018 interviews, who are starting class in 2019. I think they are looking for 350 to Ďhireí in 2019.

Well, then some of those hired in late 2019 will start class in 2020. See how that works?

ERJDCA
01-25-2019, 11:16 AM
Well, then some of those hired in late 2019 will start class in 2020. See how that works?

No argument, just stating what we were told.

The question as I understood it was how many are they planning to ‘hire’ in a calendar year, not how many start ground school. Very aware how it works. ;)

hilltopflyer
01-25-2019, 11:42 AM
No argument, just stating what we were told.

The question as I understood it was how many are they planning to Ďhireí in a calendar year, not how many start ground school. Very aware how it works. ;)

And you technically arenít hired till you start ground school....

Bluedriver
01-25-2019, 11:52 AM
No argument, just stating what we were told.

The question as I understood it was how many are they planning to Ďhireí in a calendar year, not how many start ground school. Very aware how it works. ;)

Just so you also know:

"They" always tell the truth...

And BlueJet is getting 13 Airbuses this year...

BCCNR
01-30-2019, 05:38 AM
Most went home for at least a week after indoc this week. I asked one of them.

Is this still the case?

hyperboy
01-30-2019, 09:16 AM
Is this still the case?


For many it is not all. Some will have to stay depending on equipment and or seniority with in the class.

Folove
01-30-2019, 09:44 AM
How many pilots were hired by B6 last year?

350 or 275 as the OP said isnít a lot.
Is this because of the delay in Airbus orders?

hilltopflyer
01-30-2019, 11:02 AM
How many pilots were hired by B6 last year?

350 or 275 as the OP said isnít a lot.
Is this because of the delay in Airbus orders?

We have no retirements.

Bluedriver
01-30-2019, 11:50 AM
We have no retirements.

And, are slow-growing and *slowing* growing.

That one's for Payne...

BeatNavy
01-30-2019, 01:07 PM
How many pilots were hired by B6 last year?

350 or 275 as the OP said isnít a lot.
Is this because of the delay in Airbus orders?

JB generally takes 10-15 planes a year and generally staffs at 15 pilots per plane. The contract will add a few as parts are implemented. You can see the delivery schedule on the investor relations website (quarterly reports) and do the math to get roughly the number of needed pilots per year. Consider 2019 CBA catch up time with 6 A321NEOs then back to 15 or so a year average, assuming a strict 1 for 1 A220/E190 swap (which Iím betting doesnít happen, at least not initially). Attrition is usually between 50-100 a year for people leaving, dying, and retiring. So add that number. Thatís the napkin math for JB hiring needs.

goose15
01-30-2019, 01:23 PM
How many pilots were hired by B6 last year?

350 or 275 as the OP said isnít a lot.
Is this because of the delay in Airbus orders?

So far this year we had 56 new hires.

Last year (2018) was 271.

Year prior (2017) was 246.

Those numbers donít take into account pilots that have left after being hired. They always advertise more than they actually hire.

My guess is that we should hire just over 300 in 2019.

Bluedriver
01-30-2019, 01:52 PM
JB generally takes 10-15 planes a year and generally staffs at 15 pilots per plane. The contract will add a few as parts are implemented. You can see the delivery schedule on the investor relations website (quarterly reports) and do the math to get roughly the number of needed pilots per year. Consider 2019 CBA catch up time with 6 A321NEOs then back to 15 or so a year average, assuming a strict 1 for 1 A220/E190 swap (which Iím betting doesnít happen, at least not initially). Attrition is usually between 50-100 a year for people leaving, dying, and retiring. So add that number. Thatís the napkin math for JB hiring needs.

To my knowledge in the last 8 years we have NEVER taken 15 deliveries. We were scheduled to, but NEVER have. I expect that trend of taking less than expected (less than 15) to continue.

The trend is your friend... That one's for Payne.

😀

Folove
01-30-2019, 03:57 PM
Thank you all for the replies. Adds some knowledge to my chances.

PackPilot
02-06-2019, 04:54 PM
Third class of 2019 started today: 10 E190 & 6 Bus slots awarded. Everyone pretty much got the base/aircraft they wanted.

littlefuz
02-22-2019, 05:59 AM
Any word on the latest class drop?

capt707
02-22-2019, 09:44 AM
Any word on the latest class drop?

Heard 6 Bus / 12 E190

JFK/BOS

Rumpel
02-23-2019, 04:04 AM
I've been assigned a class date. I'm wondering when aircraft and base assignments are given? I haven't been asked for a preference yet.

Flyby1206
02-23-2019, 04:19 AM
I've been assigned a class date. I'm wondering when aircraft and base assignments are given? I haven't been asked for a preference yet.

Day 1 of class. The night before there is a meet and greet where you will find out available slots and fill out a bid sheet. Assignments happen in order of age (oldest gets first pick).

Rumpel
02-23-2019, 05:02 AM
Day 1 of class. The night before there is a meet and greet where you will find out available slots and fill out a bid sheet. Assignments happen in order of age (oldest gets first pick).

Great thanks. Now I just need to figure out what I want...

Southerner
02-23-2019, 05:10 AM
Great thanks. Now I just need to figure out what I want...

1. Do you live in JFK or BOS?
2. If yes, do you mind being on reserve for a long time?
3. How do you feel about red-eye flying?

If you're cool with reserve for a long time, and don't mind flying in the back side of the clock, the Airbus might be for you.

E190 guys make more money early-on because they are off reserve sooner, and can pick up trips, etc. The E190 isn't going away for a long time, and the seat lock is only a year for new hires.

Food for thought.

Rumpel
02-23-2019, 07:51 AM
1. Do you live in JFK or BOS?
2. If yes, do you mind being on reserve for a long time?
3. How do you feel about red-eye flying?

If you're cool with reserve for a long time, and don't mind flying in the back side of the clock, the Airbus might be for you.

E190 guys make more money early-on because they are off reserve sooner, and can pick up trips, etc. The E190 isn't going away for a long time, and the seat lock is only a year for new hires.

Food for thought.

I live between MCO and FLL. I've heard I can possibly hold MCO 190 in 6 months and FLL 320 in a year The question in my mind is, would going straight for the 320 be worth the extra time spent as a commuter? Or would it be a better strategy to go to the 190 for a quicker Florida base and think about transitioning to the 320 later?

I'll be honest, Im not an airline guy and I don't understand 100% how the seniority system works. Seniority wise when I transition between aircraft or change bases, am I "starting over" in any way? Or is everything based on my initial hire date?

hilltopflyer
02-23-2019, 08:08 AM
I live between MCO and FLL. I've heard I can possibly hold MCO 190 in 6 months and FLL 320 in a year The question in my mind is, would going straight for the 320 be worth the extra time spent as a commuter? Or would it be a better strategy to go to the 190 for a quicker Florida base and think about transitioning to the 320 later?

I'll be honest, Im not an airline guy and I don't understand 100% how the seniority system works. Seniority wise when I transition between aircraft or change bases, am I "starting over" in any way? Or is everything based on my initial hire date?

Your number is your number forever. The number 1 fo would swap into the top 100 captain position. Hence why a lot of guys bid the 190 and bid over once they get better seniority. Iíd do the 190 to try and get mco cause fll cones and goes.

BeatNavy
02-23-2019, 08:14 AM
I live between MCO and FLL. I've heard I can possibly hold MCO 190 in 6 months and FLL 320 in a year The question in my mind is, would going straight for the 320 be worth the extra time spent as a commuter? Or would it be a better strategy to go to the 190 for a quicker Florida base and think about transitioning to the 320 later?

I'll be honest, Im not an airline guy and I don't understand 100% how the seniority system works. Seniority wise when I transition between aircraft or change bases, am I "starting over" in any way? Or is everything based on my initial hire date?

Everything is based on initial hire date as far as base and seat awards. Bidding within your base and seat for a monthly schedule is based on your hire date vs other people’s hire date within your base and seat. I’d be surprised as hell if you got MCO in 6 months. Doubt you’ll be in FLL before a year after the last bid that loaded it up (effective date is 1 June). Even with that, it will still be over a year from their hire date to the effective date of the award before those people will get to FLL. If I were in your shoes I’d go 190 for a year then go to the bus when you can hold FLL. Or just hold out on the 190 for MCO. Also, the 190 doesn’t poison you like the bus...so there’s that. Commuting to a line on the 190 is way better than commuting to reserve on the airbus. And the transition is fairly easy. I hate training events and being in the schoolhouse, but the 190 to bus transition was a lot easier than the already easy newhire training since knowing the jetblueisms is already done. And if you live close to MCO you aren’t far from home, which was my biggest complaint about being locked in MCO for a month with only a couple days off at a time to go home a few times in that month.

capt707
02-23-2019, 08:29 AM
I live between MCO and FLL. I've heard I can possibly hold MCO 190 in 6 months and FLL 320 in a year The question in my mind is, would going straight for the 320 be worth the extra time spent as a commuter? Or would it be a better strategy to go to the 190 for a quicker Florida base and think about transitioning to the 320 later?

I'll be honest, Im not an airline guy and I don't understand 100% how the seniority system works. Seniority wise when I transition between aircraft or change bases, am I "starting over" in any way? Or is everything based on my initial hire date?

If I were you, I would bid 190.

Southerner
02-23-2019, 08:49 AM
I live between MCO and FLL. I've heard I can possibly hold MCO 190 in 6 months and FLL 320 in a year The question in my mind is, would going straight for the 320 be worth the extra time spent as a commuter? Or would it be a better strategy to go to the 190 for a quicker Florida base and think about transitioning to the 320 later?

I'll be honest, Im not an airline guy and I don't understand 100% how the seniority system works. Seniority wise when I transition between aircraft or change bases, am I "starting over" in any way? Or is everything based on my initial hire date?

I agree with the guys above. The 190 will be the fastest line to commute to, and the fastest transition to MCO. I'll be shocked if you get 190 MCO in 6 months, and I the A320 MCO is closer to 2-3 years.

As far as seniority goes, your overall seniority doesn't matter all that much (for day to day life). It just determines what you can hold fleet and base-wise. In other words, the guy one number senior to you in another base or on a different fleet doesn't affect you at all until you bid for a new base or fleet.
Your seniority in-base is what determines your schedule month after month. A middle of the pack E190 CA in BOS is fairly junior in MCO, for instance. If you don't mind commuting, you can go to a base that you're more senior in.

In your case, you'll be able to hold a line on the E190 in JFK or maybe BOS before you can hold E190 MCO at all. And when you do get based in MCO, you'll probably be a very junior person for a while. Does that make sense?

Rumpel
02-23-2019, 10:13 AM
I live between MCO and FLL. I've heard I can possibly hold MCO 190 in 6 months and FLL 320 in a year The question in my mind is, would going straight for the 320 be worth the extra time spent as a commuter? Or would it be a better strategy to go to the 190 for a quicker Florida base and think about transitioning to the 320 later?

I'll be honest, Im not an airline guy and I don't understand 100% how the seniority system works. Seniority wise when I transition between aircraft or change bases, am I "starting over" in any way? Or is everything based on my initial hire date?

Thanks for taking the time to explain that to me, that helps me out a lot.

Rumpel
02-23-2019, 10:14 AM
Everything is based on initial hire date as far as base and seat awards. Bidding within your base and seat for a monthly schedule is based on your hire date vs other peopleís hire date within your base and seat. Iíd be surprised as hell if you got MCO in 6 months. Doubt youíll be in FLL before a year after the last bid that loaded it up (effective date is 1 June). Even with that, it will still be over a year from their hire date to the effective date of the award before those people will get to FLL. If I were in your shoes Iíd go 190 for a year then go to the bus when you can hold FLL. Or just hold out on the 190 for MCO. Also, the 190 doesnít poison you like the bus...so thereís that. Commuting to a line on the 190 is way better than commuting to reserve on the airbus. And the transition is fairly easy. I hate training events and being in the schoolhouse, but the 190 to bus transition was a lot easier than the already easy newhire training since knowing the jetblueisms is already done. And if you live close to MCO you arenít far from home, which was my biggest complaint about being locked in MCO for a month with only a couple days off at a time to go home a few times in that month.

Thanks for the reply, everyone in here has been very helpful and I appreciate it. What do you mean when you say the bus poisons you?

BeatNavy
02-23-2019, 10:46 AM
Thanks for the reply, everyone in here has been very helpful and I appreciate it. What do you mean when you say the bus poisons you?

The IAE-engined airbuses have a much higher than normal (compared to other engines) oil pressure, and (probably as a result of that and the way JB takes care of associated maintenance issues) JB has had a ton of “dirty sock smell” fume events (now “magic marker” smell due to the new turbine oil used) that has several pilots out, some permanently, because tricresyl phosphates, which are released when turbine oil is atomized in the bleed system (which is this dirty sock smell), are a neurotoxin. It’s killed and disabled people. Many people don’t know about it, even some JB pilots. And many buy management’s stance that it doesn’t exist and is a pilot work action.

It’s hard, if not impossible, to directly/conclusively link many health issues with it, because no one is paying for any research for it, probably due to the high liability that will ensue when it is directly linked to death/serious ailments. Airbus, the IAE consortium, oil manufacturers, jetblue, and other associated parties certainly don’t want to look into it. And an effing B6ALPA rep (when confronted because ALPO isn’t doing anything about it except bullying pilots saying they are making it up—looking at you Dario) said “I’d rather have a job and leave this alone than pursue it if it means the company goes down—then we will all be on the street.” Even the FAA doesn’t seem to want to touch it. But jetblue seems to have a much higher number of fume events than other IAE-engined A320/321 airlines, presumably due to maintenance practices. Maintenance has been told by management that these are mostly pilot/flight attendant work actions, so maintenance is mostly dismissive of them. JB installed HEPA filters and changed the engine oil as their fix. And they want pilots to wait 3 minutes to see if the smell goes away before taking action, which is enough time for sensory adaptation https://www.howitworksdaily.com/question-of-the-day-why-does-a-smell-seem-to-fade-after-you-get-used-to-it/ and to make pilots dismissive of the smell. My understanding is there are objective detectors that can detect when this stuff is in the air, similar to CO detectors, but not shockingly JB won’t install those.

Lots of info on the JB pilot internal forum in a thread that exists to educate people on what tails seem to be the offenders, among other things. Some info here https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/major/111742-wet-sock-smell.html. Some info on google (search “aerotoxic syndrome”).

I was hit with magic marker smell twice on 2 of 4 legs in a day in the same plane (a320). Had dirty sock smell numerous times at my regional in a CRJ, but was told it’s just dirty pack filters. But it affected me. It’s real. The last time with magic marker smell the captain was messing up his radio calls. I felt off. Not hypoxic, not out of it, just different and slower thinking. That particular captain reads the thread about it and he had it before but said that wasn’t the smell (he had only ever had the dirty socks smell). He refused to write it up. Fortunately a week later it was written up a couple times.

As soon as the A220 is on property I’m gone off of this plane...I hope it’s better. And I hope the Pratt-engined NEOs are better. And I pray if we ever get widebodies they are 787s, because I don’t trust any planes with bleed-based ECS systems to be completely safe from aerotoxic chemicals anymore. I love the airbus, it’s nice, comfortable, the trips are nice (minus redeyes), but I’d rather not play fume roulette for 30 years. I’d worry less about it if I flew for an airline that didn’t have such a high number of events, fwiw.

hilltopflyer
02-23-2019, 11:09 AM
The IAE-engined airbuses have a much higher than normal (compared to other engines) oil pressure, and (probably as a result of that and the way JB takes care of associated maintenance issues) JB has had a ton of ďdirty sock smellĒ fume events (now ďmagic markerĒ smell due to the new turbine oil used) that has several pilots out, some permanently, because tricresyl phosphates, which are released when turbine oil is atomized in the bleed system (which is this dirty sock smell), are a neurotoxin. Itís killed and disabled people. Many people donít know about it, even some JB pilots. And many buy managementís stance that it doesnít exist and is a pilot work action.

Itís hard, if not impossible, to directly/conclusively link many health issues with it, because no one is paying for any research for it, probably due to the high liability that will ensue when it is directly linked to death/serious ailments. Airbus, the IAE consortium, oil manufacturers, jetblue, and other associated parties certainly donít want to look into it. And an effing B6ALPA rep (when confronted because ALPO isnít doing anything about it except bullying pilots saying they are making it upólooking at you Dario) said ďIíd rather have a job and leave this alone than pursue it if it means the company goes downóthen we will all be on the street.Ē Even the FAA doesnít seem to want to touch it. But jetblue seems to have a much higher number of fume events than other IAE-engined A320/321 airlines, presumably due to maintenance practices. Maintenance has been told by management that these are mostly pilot/flight attendant work actions, so maintenance is mostly dismissive of them. JB installed HEPA filters and changed the engine oil as their fix. And they want pilots to wait 3 minutes to see if the smell goes away before taking action, which is enough time for sensory adaptation https://www.howitworksdaily.com/question-of-the-day-why-does-a-smell-seem-to-fade-after-you-get-used-to-it/ and to make pilots dismissive of the smell. My understanding is there are objective detectors that can detect when this stuff is in the air, similar to CO detectors, but not shockingly JB wonít install those.

Lots of info on the JB pilot internal forum in a thread that exists to educate people on what tails seem to be the offenders, among other things. Some info here https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/major/111742-wet-sock-smell.html. Some info on google (search ďaerotoxic syndromeĒ).

I was hit with magic marker smell twice on 2 of 4 legs in a day in the same plane (a320). Had dirty sock smell numerous times at my regional in a CRJ, but was told itís just dirty pack filters. But it affected me. Itís real. The last time with magic marker smell the captain was messing up his radio calls. I felt off. Not hypoxic, not out of it, just different and slower thinking. That particular captain reads the thread about it and he had it before but said that wasnít the smell (he had only ever had the dirty socks smell). He refused to write it up. Fortunately a week later it was written up a couple times.

As soon as the A220 is on property Iím gone off of this plane...I hope itís better. And I hope the Pratt-engined NEOs are better. And I pray if we ever get widebodies they are 787s, because I donít trust any planes with bleed-based ECS systems to be completely safe from aerotoxic chemicals anymore. I love the airbus, itís nice, comfortable, the trips are nice (minus redeyes), but Iíd rather not play fume roulette for 30 years. Iíd worry less about it if I flew for an airline that didnít have such a high number of events, fwiw.

You still have the option to write up the plane or refuse it? Not just the captains authority if you fly it. That being said that captain is a ***** for not listening to concerns of his fo. I guess it is true we donít teach crm anymore. How does a fune event come into the Swiss cheese model? Haha

BeatNavy
02-23-2019, 11:18 AM
You still have the option to write up the plane or refuse it? Not just the captains authority if you fly it. That being said that captain is a ***** for not listening to concerns of his fo. I guess it is true we don’t teach crm anymore. How does a fune event come into the Swiss cheese model? Haha

He had me convinced he knew what the fume smell was and was very educated and experienced with it, and that I shouldn’t be concerned. In retrospect I should have pushed the issue, but, at the time, being new to the bus, I figured I didn’t know what I was talking about and he did. I was just glad to finally see it get written up. Kind of validated my thoughts and convinced me I was in the right. At least it educated me for future exposures, and fortunately was very faint and short-lived.

And while I can make a write up as an FO, the CA has to sign it (pg 9-13 in the FOM). Pg 9-7 also says in the MX-3 discussion “the below instructions are applicable to the PIC only.” So, while CRM does exist with mx and both pilots are required and responsible for checking the book prior to flight, logbook entries are pretty much mandated to go thru the CA...at least the signature for it. And it’s on the CAs side, so if I ask him to write it up and he doesn’t want to, I’m going to physically have to go to his side and grab it. Now, it didn’t get that far for the reasons I stated above (mostly being new to the plane), but don’t think for a second if the CA is dismissive of a mx issue, it’s easy for the FO to just say ok fine I’ll write it up myself. I’ve had to press CAs on maintenance (and other issues like deicing) here - it’s not easy, especially when the company makes writeups a predominantly CA function.

aldonite7667
02-23-2019, 11:34 AM
He had me convinced he knew what the fume smell was and was very educated and experienced with it, and that I shouldnít be concerned. In retrospect I should have pushed the issue, but, at the time, being new to the bus, I figured I didnít know what I was talking about and he did. I was just glad to finally see it get written up. Kind of validated my thoughts and convinced me I was in the right. At least it educated me for future exposures, and fortunately was very faint and short-lived.

And while I can make a write up as an FO, the CA has to sign it (pg 9-13 in the FOM). Pg 9-7 also says in the MX-3 discussion ďthe below instructions are applicable to the PIC only.Ē So, while CRM does exist with mx and both pilots are required and responsible for checking the book prior to flight, logbook entries are pretty much mandated to go thru the CA...at least the signature for it. And itís on the CAs side, so if I ask him to write it up and he doesnít want to, Iím going to physically have to go to his side and grab it. Now, it didnít get that far for the reasons I stated above (mostly being new to the plane), but donít think for a second if the CA is dismissive of a mx issue, itís easy for the FO to just say ok fine Iíll write it up myself. Iíve had to press CAs on maintenance (and other issues like deicing) here - itís not easy, especially when the company makes writeups a predominantly CA function.

Iím pretty sure you can write it up but you have to use the CA name and #.

BeatNavy
02-23-2019, 11:42 AM
I’m pretty sure you can write it up but you have to use the CA name and #.

“While either the Captain or the First Officer may enter a discrepancy or MEL in the AML, Form MX-3, the employee number and signature must be the Captain’s.”

Did you read what I wrote and what you quoted? Specifically the first sentence of the 2nd paragraph.

hilltopflyer
02-23-2019, 11:50 AM
He had me convinced he knew what the fume smell was and was very educated and experienced with it, and that I shouldnít be concerned. In retrospect I should have pushed the issue, but, at the time, being new to the bus, I figured I didnít know what I was talking about and he did. I was just glad to finally see it get written up. Kind of validated my thoughts and convinced me I was in the right. At least it educated me for future exposures, and fortunately was very faint and short-lived.

And while I can make a write up as an FO, the CA has to sign it (pg 9-13 in the FOM). Pg 9-7 also says in the MX-3 discussion ďthe below instructions are applicable to the PIC only.Ē So, while CRM does exist with mx and both pilots are required and responsible for checking the book prior to flight, logbook entries are pretty much mandated to go thru the CA...at least the signature for it. And itís on the CAs side, so if I ask him to write it up and he doesnít want to, Iím going to physically have to go to his side and grab it. Now, it didnít get that far for the reasons I stated above (mostly being new to the plane), but donít think for a second if the CA is dismissive of a mx issue, itís easy for the FO to just say ok fine Iíll write it up myself. Iíve had to press CAs on maintenance (and other issues like deicing) here - itís not easy, especially when the company makes writeups a predominantly CA function.

All true. On the 190 side it was always easy to just say Iím not comfortable without getting that checked out and they would agree with me. But being new to the bus would make it hard for me being new to a plane.

Bluedriver
02-23-2019, 02:39 PM
The IAE-engined airbuses have a much higher than normal (compared to other engines) oil pressure, and (probably as a result of that and the way JB takes care of associated maintenance issues) JB has had a ton of ďdirty sock smellĒ fume events (now ďmagic markerĒ smell due to the new turbine oil used) that has several pilots out, some permanently, because tricresyl phosphates, which are released when turbine oil is atomized in the bleed system (which is this dirty sock smell), are a neurotoxin. Itís killed and disabled people. Many people donít know about it, even some JB pilots. And many buy managementís stance that it doesnít exist and is a pilot work action.

Itís hard, if not impossible, to directly/conclusively link many health issues with it, because no one is paying for any research for it, probably due to the high liability that will ensue when it is directly linked to death/serious ailments. Airbus, the IAE consortium, oil manufacturers, jetblue, and other associated parties certainly donít want to look into it. And an effing B6ALPA rep (when confronted because ALPO isnít doing anything about it except bullying pilots saying they are making it upólooking at you Dario) said ďIíd rather have a job and leave this alone than pursue it if it means the company goes downóthen we will all be on the street.Ē Even the FAA doesnít seem to want to touch it. But jetblue seems to have a much higher number of fume events than other IAE-engined A320/321 airlines, presumably due to maintenance practices. Maintenance has been told by management that these are mostly pilot/flight attendant work actions, so maintenance is mostly dismissive of them. JB installed HEPA filters and changed the engine oil as their fix. And they want pilots to wait 3 minutes to see if the smell goes away before taking action, which is enough time for sensory adaptation https://www.howitworksdaily.com/question-of-the-day-why-does-a-smell-seem-to-fade-after-you-get-used-to-it/ and to make pilots dismissive of the smell. My understanding is there are objective detectors that can detect when this stuff is in the air, similar to CO detectors, but not shockingly JB wonít install those.

Lots of info on the JB pilot internal forum in a thread that exists to educate people on what tails seem to be the offenders, among other things. Some info here https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/major/111742-wet-sock-smell.html. Some info on google (search ďaerotoxic syndromeĒ).

I was hit with magic marker smell twice on 2 of 4 legs in a day in the same plane (a320). Had dirty sock smell numerous times at my regional in a CRJ, but was told itís just dirty pack filters. But it affected me. Itís real. The last time with magic marker smell the captain was messing up his radio calls. I felt off. Not hypoxic, not out of it, just different and slower thinking. That particular captain reads the thread about it and he had it before but said that wasnít the smell (he had only ever had the dirty socks smell). He refused to write it up. Fortunately a week later it was written up a couple times.

As soon as the A220 is on property Iím gone off of this plane...I hope itís better. And I hope the Pratt-engined NEOs are better. And I pray if we ever get widebodies they are 787s, because I donít trust any planes with bleed-based ECS systems to be completely safe from aerotoxic chemicals anymore. I love the airbus, itís nice, comfortable, the trips are nice (minus redeyes), but Iíd rather not play fume roulette for 30 years. Iíd worry less about it if I flew for an airline that didnít have such a high number of events, fwiw.

Mandatory reading. Mandatory.

hilltopflyer
02-23-2019, 05:20 PM
I think the wait three minutes is the most dangerous part of this procedure.

aldonite7667
02-23-2019, 06:40 PM
ďWhile either the Captain or the First Officer may enter a discrepancy or MEL in the AML, Form MX-3, the employee number and signature must be the Captainís.Ē

Did you read what I wrote and what you quoted? Specifically the first sentence of the 2nd paragraph.

Yes, your post says signature. That is not required, just the Name and # of the PIC.

BeatNavy
02-23-2019, 07:01 PM
Yes, your post says signature. That is not required, just the Name and # of the PIC.

I just read and quoted the FOM. And it clearly says the signature must be the PICs. Perhaps they should change the FOM to just say the name must be the PIC if that is all thatís required. Until they do, as an FO Iím not filling out anything that can be construed as the PICís signature (be it a name or number or whatever), because thatíd be a violation of the FOM. Iíll do a writeup if the CA delegates that to me. But I wonít put anything in the box below it until the FOM no longer says the signature must be the PICs or until I upgrade.

aldonite7667
02-23-2019, 09:01 PM
I just read and quoted the FOM. And it clearly says the signature must be the PICs. Perhaps they should change the FOM to just say the name must be the PIC if that is all thatís required. Until they do, as an FO Iím not filling out anything that can be construed as the PICís signature (be it a name or number or whatever), because thatíd be a violation of the FOM. Iíll do a writeup if the CA delegates that to me. But I wonít put anything in the box below it until the FOM no longer says the signature must be the PICs or until I upgrade.

Thatís especially funny since there is no place on the MX-3 for a signature.

360KIAS
02-24-2019, 11:00 AM
If i was a betting man i would say 400ish?.......

The official number is 350 for 2019. Unless you know of something that came out after December, in which case we would appreciate you sharing that email or memo with us.

Bluedriver
02-24-2019, 11:56 AM
The official number is 350 for 2019. Unless you know of something that came out after December, in which case we would appreciate you sharing that email or memo with us.

Not necessary. Every at JB likes to exaggerate.

Not directed at Hyper.

BeatNavy
02-24-2019, 12:06 PM
The official number is 350 for 2019. Unless you know of something that came out after December, in which case we would appreciate you sharing that email or memo with us.

350 is the official number? What exactly constitutes an official number?

360KIAS
02-24-2019, 10:05 PM
350 is the official number? What exactly constitutes an official number?

Presentations by upper management.

goose15
02-25-2019, 05:24 AM
Presentations by upper management.

Yeah, however that number ďofficiallyĒ fluctuates along the year as they adjust our hiring needs.

The slide presentation is constantly being updated to reflect that.

cmesoar
02-25-2019, 05:28 AM
Yeah, however that number ďofficiallyĒ fluctuates along the year as they adjust our hiring needs.

The slide presentation is constantly being updated to reflect that.

They should just go ahead and up that number after these past few weeks - but WTF do I know...

hilltopflyer
02-25-2019, 05:36 AM
They should just go ahead and up that number after these past few weeks - but WTF do I know...

Been on vacation. Has it been bad?

Flyby1206
02-25-2019, 05:47 AM
Great thanks. Now I just need to figure out what I want...

Hah, youíll get a thousand different opinions here. Good luck and welcome aboard.

flysooner9
02-25-2019, 06:24 AM
Anyone know what class dates are being filled currently ?

Isaiah4031
03-05-2019, 02:59 PM
New class drop 15 E190

F18Driver
03-07-2019, 06:59 PM
Anyone know what class dates are being filled currently ?
I just got picked up to come aboard and was offered 20 March, 10 April or 24 April. I heard from current training staff members that they are filling classess for the near future about every 2 weeks UFN.

themagicman00
03-07-2019, 08:50 PM
I just got picked up to come aboard and was offered 20 March, 10 April or 24 April. I heard from current training staff members that they are filling classess for the near future about every 2 weeks UFN.

Naval aviator?

Hawaiiflyer1983
03-08-2019, 03:59 AM
Naval aviator?

Either that or he is a Nascar Driver... If you ain't first, you're last.

aldonite7667
03-08-2019, 05:09 AM
I just got picked up to come aboard and was offered 20 March, 10 April or 24 April. I heard from current training staff members that they are filling classess for the near future about every 2 weeks UFN.

Congrats, take the first class. Seniority is everything.

hilltopflyer
03-08-2019, 06:41 AM
Congrats, take the first class. Seniority is everything.

Could be the difference in getting furloughed and not. Always take the first class.

ERJDCA
03-08-2019, 12:06 PM
Anyone know what class dates are being filled currently ?

Completed Phase 2 about two weeks ago, March 20th class.

14bis
03-08-2019, 12:49 PM
Any corporate pilots getting hired at JB lately?

ClncClarence
03-08-2019, 04:48 PM
Any corporate pilots getting hired at JB lately?

Currently in Phase II...4000TT all part 91 except for ~250 hours of 135.

aldonite7667
03-08-2019, 05:52 PM
Currently in Phase II...4000TT all part 91 except for ~250 hours of 135.

As a former corporate guy I can tell you, Do not expect the flight safety or CAE treatment. It is very different from a business jet type rating. There is not much room for error. As soon as you can, get into the FOM and FCOM expanded normal procedures as well as actions and call outs.

You are at a disadvantage not being from 121 (as well as the mil guys). That said, it ainít exactly an impossible task.

hyperboy
03-09-2019, 08:55 AM
Any corporate pilots getting hired at JB lately?


Tons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CanoeBum
03-09-2019, 11:17 AM
Tons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They have to trick guys that donít know the airline world and where bluejet ranks within it. Solid recruiting tactic!

360KIAS
03-09-2019, 03:16 PM
They have to trick guys that donít know the airline world and where bluejet ranks within it. Solid recruiting tactic!

Dumbest post on APC today. Perhaps all month.

CanoeBum
03-09-2019, 03:41 PM
Dumbest post on APC today. Perhaps all month.

Did it hit close to home for you?

disenchantMINT
03-09-2019, 07:05 PM
Dumbest post on APC today. Perhaps all month.

He's not wrong. Why do you think JB targets people without 121 experience? It's so much easier to manipulate and indoctrinate them. Perhaps you are a good example of that?

On that note, Vets In Blue isn't there to help Vets. It's there as a PR stunt and to recruit pilots who will blindly follow Giggity's orders.

BeatNavy
03-09-2019, 07:15 PM
He's not wrong. Why do you think JB targets people without 121 experience? It's so much easier to manipulate and indoctrinate them. Perhaps you are a good example of that?

On that note, Vets In Blue isn't there to help Vets. It's there as a PR stunt and to recruit pilots who will blindly follow Giggity's orders.

I dunno about that.

hilltopflyer
03-09-2019, 07:46 PM
I dunno about that.

Iíve heard vets use that as an example of why they trust jb... not that they will blindly follow but gives leeway

BeatNavy
03-09-2019, 07:55 PM
VIB is one thing I think JB does well. I have a lot of friends hired thru VIB. Some end up being company guys, some end up angry at the company, and some end up bailing for a legacy. It's probably a similar or equal distribution to every other demographic hired here in that regard. I don't think it should be viewed as anything other than an opportunity to offer vets a free job fair and an opportunity to get looked at that they otherwise wouldn't have, and an opportunity for bros to look out for their bros from their prior life. Are there selfish reasons JB does ViB? Perhaps...it makes for good press. It loads up new hires hired thru that program with blue juice before they even hit JBU, and even spreads a positive image about JB to those who went to VIB who end up not coming here. It gets people involved in volunteering to set up and run the program. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I for one thank hyper for his work with VIB and think its good stuff.

WhistlePig
03-09-2019, 08:15 PM
I just got picked up to come aboard and was offered 20 March, 10 April or 24 April. I heard from current training staff members that they are filling classess for the near future about every 2 weeks UFN.

Welcome. Hereís your tanker.

360KIAS
03-10-2019, 03:33 AM
He's not wrong. Why do you think JB targets people without 121 experience? It's so much easier to manipulate and indoctrinate them. Perhaps you are a good example of that?

On that note, Vets In Blue isn't there to help Vets. It's there as a PR stunt and to recruit pilots who will blindly follow Giggity's orders.

I haven't seen this targeting. I'd say all the folks I talk to are about the same distribution of former mil/121/135 as my previous airline.

As to your disparaging VIB comments, it might be more believable if only JB hired a large number of military pilots from VIB. But at 10% hire rate, that is NOT a large number who will "blindly follow". And a fair amount of VIB attendees are already in the 121 world.

AYLflyer
03-10-2019, 05:53 AM
He's not wrong. Why do you think JB targets people without 121 experience? It's so much easier to manipulate and indoctrinate them. Perhaps you are a good example of that?

On that note, Vets In Blue isn't there to help Vets. It's there as a PR stunt and to recruit pilots who will blindly follow Giggity's orders.

Jesus. Either some of you are really good trolls or absolutely out of your effin minds.

You understand how difficult it is to get hired here? Do you understand how competetive it still is, and that I, and many others had to jump through crazy hoops to get that phone call? I have friends who have been applying for years who still can't get that invite.

I've had 1 captain so far in my JB career (He seemed like the type that would post here daily) say that this place is a huge craphole and to GTFO as soon as possible. Meanwhile he's making $300k/yr with half the month off and rants that 'I should have stayed at a regional and gone to Delta'. Yep, because I forgot that I can just call up Delta or United and ask them for a class date thats convienent for me. :rolleyes:

I've had my frustrations here, but this is by far the easiest and best job I've ever had.

360KIAS
03-10-2019, 06:00 AM
Jesus. Either some of you are really good trolls or absolutely out of your effin minds.

You understand how difficult it is to get hired here? Do you understand how competetive it still is, and that I, and many others had to jump through crazy hoops to get that phone call? I have friends who have been applying for years who still can't get that invite.

I've had 1 captain so far in my JB career (He seemed like the type that would post here daily) say that this place is a huge craphole and to GTFO as soon as possible. Meanwhile he's making $300k/yr with half the month off and rants that 'I should have stayed at a regional and gone to Delta'. Yep, because I forgot that I can just call up Delta or United and ask them for a class date thats convienent for me. :rolleyes:

I've had my frustrations here, but this is by far the easiest and best job I've ever had.

It's good to know there are people who read and post here who actually have the sense of a goose or higher (much higher, judging by your post).

JB is far from the Mesa of the majors, in spite of what 8 or 9 regular posters try to spout. I would think that with as unhappy as some are to "work" here, they would have moved on to a legacy by now.

serce
03-10-2019, 07:50 AM
It's good to know there are people who read and post here who actually have the sense of a goose or higher (much higher, judging by your post).

JB is far from the Mesa of the majors, in spite of what 8 or 9 regular posters try to spout. I would think that with as unhappy as some are to "work" here, they would have moved on to a legacy by now.

Many of us are trying to move on but it's easier said than done. With all the CPP programs out there, it's only getting harder to get the call from the Legacies.

disenchantMINT
03-10-2019, 08:07 AM
Many of us are trying to move on but it's easier said than done. With all the CPP programs out there, it's only getting harder to get the call from the Legacies.

It's easier for people like 360KIAS to deflect and rationalize why we aren't treated as well as we should be by telling those who actually have some self-worth "just go to a legacy if you want to be paid well and treated like a professional."

Yeah, it's that easy. :rolleyes:

Why not try to make things better here instead? Nope, settling for mediocrity is the JB way!

360KIAS
03-10-2019, 10:34 AM
It's easier for people like 360KIAS to deflect and rationalize why we aren't treated as well as we should be by telling those who actually have some self-worth "just go to a legacy if you want to be paid well and treated like a professional."

Yeah, it's that easy. :rolleyes:

Why not try to make things better here instead? Nope, settling for mediocrity is the JB way!

I cannot speak for how you've been treated at JB, only you can do that. But I've been treated great thus far. Either the company chooses to treat each of us differently, or some are able to find the half-full mark on the glass and not dwell on the negative.

There is a metric a$$-ton of difference between having self worth and whining. Just because some are happy with their station in life does not equate to them being less awesome than you. It may not be in your DNA, but I have found that people who are positive and look for the good in their daily lives find it and excel.

Sadly, those who are miserable and like to talk about it usually try to blame their circumstances on others or situations around them. Often an exercise in futility.

And I'm all about making things better at JB. But APC is not the way to accomplish that goal.

blueballs
03-10-2019, 11:31 AM
I cannot speak for how you've been treated at JB, only you can do that. But I've been treated great thus far. Either the company chooses to treat each of us differently, or some are able to find the half-full mark on the glass and not dwell on the negative.

There is a metric a$$-ton of difference between having self worth and whining. Just because some are happy with their station in life does not equate to them being less awesome than you. It may not be in your DNA, but I have found that people who are positive and look for the good in their daily lives find it and excel.

Sadly, those who are miserable and like to talk about it usually try to blame their circumstances on others or situations around them. Often an exercise in futility.

And I'm all about making things better at JB. But APC is not the way to accomplish that goal.
If youíve been treated great than you are in management or the school house. You are not a pilot here. It is miserable and getting to be an embarrassment watching the operation melt down every day

Bluedriver
03-10-2019, 02:01 PM
It's good to know there are people who read and post here who actually have the sense of a goose or higher (much higher, judging by your post).

JB is far from the Mesa of the majors, in spite of what 8 or 9 regular posters try to spout. I would think that with as unhappy as some are to "work" here, they would have moved on to a legacy by now.

Ok, which of the "majors" would you say are below JB?

Which if the "majors" would you rank above JB?

Bozo the pilot
03-11-2019, 06:25 AM
I cannot speak for how you've been treated at JB, only you can do that. But I've been treated great thus far. Either the company chooses to treat each of us differently, or some are able to find the half-full mark on the glass and not dwell on the negative.

There is a metric a$$-ton of difference between having self worth and whining. Just because some are happy with their station in life does not equate to them being less awesome than you. It may not be in your DNA, but I have found that people who are positive and look for the good in their daily lives find it and excel.

Sadly, those who are miserable and like to talk about it usually try to blame their circumstances on others or situations around them. Often an exercise in futility.

And I'm all about making things better at JB. But APC is not the way to accomplish that goal.
disenchantMINT is just an angry guy. If anyone seems happy or neutral, he attacks. Its a sign of immaturity.
B6 is its own worst enemy-hopefully we're bought or the BOD is replaced. :cool:

360KIAS
03-11-2019, 10:15 AM
disenchantMINT is just an angry guy. If anyone seems happy or neutral, he attacks. Its a sign of immaturity.
B6 is its own worst enemy-hopefully we're bought or the BOD is replaced. :cool:

I understand. Sadly, the regular negative posters here have been at it for over two years. I am sure it detracts from the enjoyment of anyone wishing to come to work for JB, and I think that is pretty lame.

Fortunately, the negativity that I see here on APC does NOT extend into the cockpit 99% of the time. Most people with whom I have flown and talked love working here. Was recently on the JS with a 12-year CA and a 1+ year FO. Both were very glad to be here, and neither had apps out anywhere else. Hopefully anyone who is trying to come here see this self-maligning negativity for what it is, a handful of people who are just not able to find happiness in their lives.

Is jetBlue perfect? No, far from it. Is our contract great? Nope. Needs some work, and hopefully we will be seeing some LOAs soon. But overall, I am very satisfied with having a job where I get pretty darn good pay for not ever having to work. #winning!!

seekingblue
03-11-2019, 10:50 AM
I understand. Sadly, the regular negative posters here have been at it for over two years. I am sure it detracts from the enjoyment of anyone wishing to come to work for JB, and I think that is pretty lame.

Fortunately, the negativity that I see here on APC does NOT extend into the cockpit 99% of the time. Most people with whom I have flown and talked love working here. Was recently on the JS with a 12-year CA and a 1+ year FO. Both were very glad to be here, and neither had apps out anywhere else. Hopefully anyone who is trying to come here see this self-maligning negativity for what it is, a handful of people who are just not able to find happiness in their lives.

Is jetBlue perfect? No, far from it. Is our contract great? Nope. Needs some work, and hopefully we will be seeing some LOAs soon. But overall, I am very satisfied with having a job where I get pretty darn good pay for not ever having to work. #winning!!

I'll know whether I should get my apps out to UAL after April 10th......

Hint- Hopefully It means I can go to UAL and keep my longevity.

Southerner
03-11-2019, 11:07 AM
I'll know whether I should get my apps out to UAL after April 10th......

Hint- Hopefully It means I can go to UAL and keep my longevity.

I seriously doubt that announcement has anything to do with a merger, but I guess we will see.

disenchantMINT
03-11-2019, 11:38 AM
disenchantMINT is just an angry guy. If anyone seems happy or neutral, he attacks. Its a sign of immaturity.
B6 is its own worst enemy-hopefully we're bought or the BOD is replaced. :cool:

It is angry and immature to suggest that we "try to make things better here instead" of settling for mediocrity?

Please take your Ford & Harrison talking points elsewhere. I'd like this to be a better place to work for anyone who gets stuck here. Apparently that triggers you.

disenchantMINT
03-11-2019, 11:46 AM
But overall, I am very satisfied with having a job where I get pretty darn good pay for not ever having to work. #winning!!

Which position do you have that you get "darn good pay" for not ever having to work?

Personally, I get below average pay (and well below average profit sharing) to show up more days per month, work long and tiring days, then stay at oftentimes unacceptable hotels where I try to make up for frequent circadian flips, all while responsible for familiarizing myself with frequent SOP changes and being on the top of my game 100% of the time in case god forbid there is an emergency that threatens the lives of everyone on board and people on the ground.

Clearly we don't do the same job.

"Just happy to be here" and "I can't believe I get paid for this" are two of the biggest enemies of advancing the pilot career. Talk about "immature."

seekingblue
03-11-2019, 12:13 PM
I seriously doubt that announcement has anything to do with a merger, but I guess we will see.

neither do I. I was more joking than anything. Plus i've been 100% wrong on all my rumor ideas.

360KIAS
03-11-2019, 12:15 PM
neither do I. I was more joking than anything. Plus i've been 100% wrong on all my rumor ideas.

Latest rumor is we are swapping all our FAs with Korean Air.

P-3Bubba
03-11-2019, 03:49 PM
Latest rumor is we are swapping all our FAs with Korean Air.

Im cool with that.

-Bubs

CaptCoolHand
03-11-2019, 03:55 PM
Latest rumor is we are swapping all our FAs with Korean Air.

Wangs gonna have a field day with that 🤣👍🏼

pilotpayne
03-11-2019, 05:01 PM
He's not wrong. Why do you think JB targets people without 121 experience? It's so much easier to manipulate and indoctrinate them. Perhaps you are a good example of that?

On that note, Vets In Blue isn't there to help Vets. It's there as a PR stunt and to recruit pilots who will blindly follow Giggity's orders.

Good god and if they didnít do something for vets you would be like they arenít doing anything for vets.

WhistlePig
03-11-2019, 05:05 PM
Which position do you have that you get "darn good pay" for not ever having to work?

Personally, I get below average pay (and well below average profit sharing) to show up more days per month, work long and tiring days, then stay at oftentimes unacceptable hotels where I try to make up for frequent circadian flips, all while responsible for familiarizing myself with frequent SOP changes and being on the top of my game 100% of the time in case god forbid there is an emergency that threatens the lives of everyone on board and people on the ground.

Clearly we don't do the same job.

"Just happy to be here" and "I can't believe I get paid for this" are two of the biggest enemies of advancing the pilot career. Talk about "immature."

You are just going to LOVE Airport Reserve at United!

pilotpayne
03-11-2019, 05:07 PM
It is angry and immature to suggest that we "try to make things better here instead" of settling for mediocrity?

Please take your Ford & Harrison talking points elsewhere. I'd like this to be a better place to work for anyone who gets stuck here. Apparently that triggers you.

Ha you talking about being triggered, now thatís interesting.

pilotpayne
03-11-2019, 05:09 PM
I seriously doubt that announcement has anything to do with a merger, but I guess we will see.

Itís going to be Europe,

Bluedriver
03-11-2019, 05:24 PM
I understand. Sadly, the regular negative posters here have been at it for over two years. I am sure it detracts from the enjoyment of anyone wishing to come to work for JB, and I think that is pretty lame.

Fortunately, the negativity that I see here on APC does NOT extend into the cockpit 99% of the time. Most people with whom I have flown and talked love working here. Was recently on the JS with a 12-year CA and a 1+ year FO. Both were very glad to be here, and neither had apps out anywhere else. Hopefully anyone who is trying to come here see this self-maligning negativity for what it is, a handful of people who are just not able to find happiness in their lives.

Is jetBlue perfect? No, far from it. Is our contract great? Nope. Needs some work, and hopefully we will be seeing some LOAs soon. But overall, I am very satisfied with having a job where I get pretty darn good pay for not ever having to work. #winning!!

No way you're a pilot at JB if "good pay for not ever having to work".

BluesClues
03-11-2019, 05:27 PM
Which position do you have that you get "darn good pay" for not ever having to work?

Personally, I get below average pay (and well below average profit sharing) to show up more days per month, work long and tiring days, then stay at oftentimes unacceptable hotels where I try to make up for frequent circadian flips, all while responsible for familiarizing myself with frequent SOP changes and being on the top of my game 100% of the time in case god forbid there is an emergency that threatens the lives of everyone on board and people on the ground.

Clearly we don't do the same job.

"Just happy to be here" and "I can't believe I get paid for this" are two of the biggest enemies of advancing the pilot career. Talk about "immature."

Wow the drama, amazingly you just called others immature and yet your rant comes across like it was written by a 15 year old girl.

Gripe about the profit sharing all you want. I agree. Pay is subjective, I say we are average, rates are just a few dollars below the big 3 for aircraft type. Southwest is more but those guys are working their butts off, guys here that hustle can do the same. Alaska is the same and everyone else is below. The rest of your post is just BS that does us more harm than good as a group. I mean you actually just used knowing SOPís as a complaint.

Please keep to legit gripes and problems and save the teenage drama for yourself.

PasserOGas
03-11-2019, 06:23 PM
I cannot speak for how you've been treated at JB, only you can do that. But I've been treated great thus far. Either the company chooses to treat each of us differently, or some are able to find the half-full mark on the glass and not dwell on the negative.

There is a metric a$$-ton of difference between having self worth and whining. Just because some are happy with their station in life does not equate to them being less awesome than you. It may not be in your DNA, but I have found that people who are positive and look for the good in their daily lives find it and excel.

Sadly, those who are miserable and like to talk about it usually try to blame their circumstances on others or situations around them. Often an exercise in futility.

And I'm all about making things better at JB. But APC is not the way to accomplish that goal.

Every day you are treated worse than your peers in every single measurable sense.

PasserOGas
03-11-2019, 06:25 PM
Wow the drama, amazingly you just called others immature and yet your rant comes across like it was written by a 15 year old girl.

Gripe about the profit sharing all you want. I agree. Pay is subjective, I say we are average, rates are just a few dollars below the big 3 for aircraft type. Southwest is more but those guys are working their butts off, guys here that hustle can do the same. Alaska is the same and everyone else is below. The rest of your post is just BS that does us more harm than good as a group. I mean you actually just used knowing SOPís as a complaint.

Please keep to legit gripes and problems and save the teenage drama for yourself.

Pay isn't subjective. Its math. It's the most non-subjective thing in the world.

Rascal
03-11-2019, 06:54 PM
I understand. Sadly, the regular negative posters here have been at it for over two years. I am sure it detracts from the enjoyment of anyone wishing to come to work for JB, and I think that is pretty lame.

Fortunately, the negativity that I see here on APC does NOT extend into the cockpit 99% of the time. Most people with whom I have flown and talked love working here. Was recently on the JS with a 12-year CA and a 1+ year FO. Both were very glad to be here, and neither had apps out anywhere else. Hopefully anyone who is trying to come here see this self-maligning negativity for what it is, a handful of people who are just not able to find happiness in their lives.

Is jetBlue perfect? No, far from it. Is our contract great? Nope. Needs some work, and hopefully we will be seeing some LOAs soon. But overall, I am very satisfied with having a job where I get pretty darn good pay for not ever having to work. #winning!!

This is not what I see on the line at all. The employee morale here is even lower than I had seen at my previous regional. My last trip I had all 4 senior FA considering moving on. My 15 year Captain was encouraging me to leave (I am working hard on it). Most people that I come in contact with think that we are a rudderless ship.

hilltopflyer
03-11-2019, 06:58 PM
This is not what I see on the line at all. The employee morale here is even lower than I had seen at my previous regional. My last trip I had all 4 senior FA considering moving on. My 15 year Captain was encouraging me to leave (I am working hard on it).

Itís sad that the moral is so low because every single work group knows it should be so much better.

360KIAS
03-11-2019, 07:18 PM
No way you're a pilot at JB if "good pay for not ever having to work".

Unlike some of the whiners here, I have held real jobs. What we do is NOT work. Itís simply time spent away from home.

360KIAS
03-11-2019, 07:20 PM
Itís sad that the moral is so low because every single work group knows it should be so much better.

Whatís even MORE sad is that you donít know the difference between a moral and morale.

Good luck on your application passing the computer screening.

360KIAS
03-11-2019, 07:25 PM
This is not what I see on the line at all. The employee morale here is even lower than I had seen at my previous regional. My last trip I had all 4 senior FA considering moving on. My 15 year Captain was encouraging me to leave (I am working hard on it). Most people that I come in contact with think that we are a rudderless ship.

I cannot account for your perceptions of what you experience when you fly. Mine are quite the opposite. People complain at all jobs, this one is no different. If you are young enough and have been here less than three years, moving on may be best for you. Only YOU can decide that. Several guys in my class have moved on, mostly to be able to live in base, which is a beautiful thing in this industry. Not one left because JB sucked for them.

The FAs are understandably tired, they work much harder and longer than we do, and they donít yet have a contract to protect them. Apples and oranges.

hilltopflyer
03-11-2019, 07:43 PM
Whatís even MORE sad is that you donít know the difference between a moral and morale.

Good luck on your application passing the computer screening.

Fat fingered it... oh my Iím so sorry thank ys spelling police... you seem like a real joy to fly with.

360KIAS
03-11-2019, 07:44 PM
Fat fingered it... oh my Iím so sorry thank ys spelling police... you seem like a real joy to fly with.

I actually am. Letís do it!

(Whatís a ys?)



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