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F4E Mx
06-08-2018, 10:51 AM
Apparently all B-1Bs are grounded following an emergency landing at Midland airport in Texas. The grounding was due to the fact that the ejection seats did not function, so the crew landed the airplane with no damage (?). An engine may have trashed itself as the initial problem. A side photo shows that at least one of the rear hatches had left the airplane. Incident was May 1.


badflaps
06-08-2018, 11:46 AM
They were sitting on hot seats all the way down? Wow!:eek:

F4E Mx
06-08-2018, 12:32 PM
Apparently there is an ejection sequence or it can be done individually. When one of the backseater's seat didn't fire the crew elected to remain with the airplane so as not to abandon him. Hats off to the crew. Glad they were able to save the aircraft and all walk away.


Adlerdriver
06-08-2018, 12:35 PM
They were sitting on hot seats all the way down? Wow!:eek: :confused: the seats are always “hot” while you’re airborne and until you safe them. Just pull the handles and you go. If you mean because one guy pulled and it failed they all were in danger of going at any moment if the sequence continued, that’s not how it works.
They were each doing a manual ejection. Pull and you go - only you. Then the next guy and so on. First guy that tried stayed, so they decide to go to plan B rather than leave him to die.

Hrkdrivr
06-08-2018, 12:47 PM
Can you imagine being the poor SOB in the seat, hatch gone, wondering if / when the seat might go?!?

rickair7777
06-08-2018, 02:27 PM
Can you imagine being the poor SOB in the seat, hatch gone, wondering if / when the seat might go?!?

I think it's a zero/zero seat? Presumably he just stayed in the posture until the techs safed it on the ramp. That's what I would have done.

Otterbox
06-08-2018, 04:00 PM
Can you imagine being the poor SOB in the seat, hatch gone, wondering if / when the seat might go?!?

Always figured it was the B-2 that would be the aircraft to deny a crews ejection attempt and tell them to try harder...

F15andMD11
06-08-2018, 08:31 PM
My first thought was how did they land the plane after they decided to eject? Ejection is for if we donít get out we die. But then again I can imagine that they could have dead sticked it in when checklist says to eject. Good on them!

rickair7777
06-08-2018, 09:50 PM
My first thought was how did they land the plane after they decided to eject? Ejection is for if we donít get out we die. But then again I can imagine that they could have dead sticked it in when checklist says to eject. Good on them!

Sounds like a motor came apart, maybe they couldn't put the fire out initially? Or at all...

badflaps
06-08-2018, 11:20 PM
:confused: the seats are always ďhotĒ while youíre airborne and until you safe them. Just pull the handles and you go. If you mean because one guy pulled and it failed they all were in danger of going at any moment if the sequence continued, thatís not how it works.
They were each doing a manual ejection. Pull and you go - only you. Then the next guy and so on. First guy that tried stayed, so they decide to go to plan B rather than leave him to die.
I misunderstood, I thought they all started the sequence with no results. They need to shoot a few to get the troop's faith back.

F15andMD11
06-09-2018, 03:09 AM
Sounds like a motor came apart, maybe they couldn't put the fire out initially? Or at all... Good point!

Grumble
06-09-2018, 01:58 PM
https://theaviationist.com/2018/06/08/report-usaf-grounds-b-1b-lancer-bomber-fleet-pending-safety-investigation/

Pics in the link.

If I ever have the privledge to share a bar with this crew, they’re drinking for free.

Breaking News: Hero B-1 Instructor Pilot and crew land B-1B after in flight emergency (IFE). On May 1st, 2018 a two ship out of Dyess Air Force Basedealt with a situation that no pilot wants to ever encounter. The incident involved a Rockwell B-1B Lancer 86-0109/DY named "Spectre", which was built back in 1986. During flight they encountered an over wing fairing (OWF) fire indication on fire warning panel climbing out of low level, followed by #3 engine fire indications. Crew then executed checklist for both, including fire bottles, but OWF light did not go out. The aircraft commander then called for manual ejection. Auto means that if anyone in the front station punches everyone goes regardless if seat is safed or pinned. Manual means that an individual physically has to pull their handle. The offensive system officer (OSO) was the first to pull, that’s why the missing hatch seat retracted and the hatch departed. When the seat did not go up the rails the crew were left with two options at that point. Continue manual ejection for the other crew which means the OSO would ride the jet into the dirt or take the jet as far as they could while maintaining aircraft control and try to save the OSO, which is why the crew elected to land at Midland Airport. That type of Emergency Procedure (EP) has never been successfully recovered in the B-1.

The IFE occurred towards the end of the sortie coming off Instrument Route 178 which is a level route along the Texas and Mexico border. After the failed ejection, there was approximately 15 or more minutes of flight before landing. It is assumed the crew had helmets with masks attached for oxygen. The hatch that blew off has yet to be recovered. The photo of the B-1 in the hangar shows burn marks in the OWF, which appears to be caused by the fire that that crew observed in flight. Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD) was on scene after the landing due to the seat shielded mild detonation cords (SMDC). There is no guidance for failed ejection in the Technical Orders (TO). The OSO would have died for sure and there was potential to loose the entire crew racing to Midland trying to save the OSO. Instead the crew made the choice to stay with the OSO and luckily the IP stayed calm and acted to save the life of the crew and B-1B. For that, we believe the IP and crew should all be recognized for their heroic actions that day, which brought credit upon themselves and the United States Air Force.

BeatNavy
06-09-2018, 02:22 PM
Hope the IP gets a DFC, at least based on what little I know about it.

Castle Bravo
06-09-2018, 06:08 PM
While it may seem odd that they elected to eject, only to then make the full stop safely, their decision likely was informed by a B-1 loss about 4 years ago out of Ellsworth, also climbing out of low level and also with an Over Wing Fairing fire with subsequent motor fire. That crew tried to put the fire out with no luck, and then ejected (all safely). The B-1 blew up and literally broke in half while they were hanging in their chutes.

With that mishap in this crew's minds, the decision to eject is easily defensible. The follow on "let's stay with the jet" decision is ballsy, and the crew should be nominated the the McKay trophy.

There is no manual bailout option in the Bone, unlike the Buff. That's why the Buff can still carry 10 crewdogs on any flight, while the Bone can not carry more than 4.

rickair7777
06-09-2018, 06:36 PM
While it may seem odd that they elected to eject, only to then make the full stop safely, their decision likely was informed by a B-1 loss about 4 years ago out of Ellsworth, also climbing out of low level and also with an Over Wing Fairing fire with subsequent motor fire. That crew tried to put the fire out with no luck, and then ejected (all safely). The B-1 blew up and literally broke in half while they were hanging in their chutes.

With that mishap in this crew's minds, the decision to eject is easily defensible. The follow on "let's stay with the jet" decision is ballsy, and the crew should be nominated the the McKay trophy.

There is no manual bailout option in the Bone, unlike the Buff. That's why the Buff can still carry 10 crewdogs on any flight, while the Bone can not carry more than 4.

I would bail out or eject from any aircraft if it was on fire and couldn't be extinguished. Easy call. If that's not an option, then land asap.

What these guys did was certainly ballsy, although three of them would have still had a shot at ejecting if the aircraft had departed controlled flight.