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NathanHale1776
06-08-2018, 11:32 AM
How closely do the airlines scruntize your military record?

Let's say a naval aviator did something stupid (outside of the cockpit) and was sent to Mast and given a letter of reprimand, ensuring he'll never make O-4, effectively ending his naval career. Would the airlines care about this at all? To reiterate this is completely non-flying related.


e6bpilot
06-08-2018, 11:56 AM
How closely do the airlines scruntize your military record?



Let's say a naval aviator did something stupid (outside of the cockpit) and was sent to Mast and given a letter of reprimand, ensuring he'll never make O-4, effectively ending his naval career. Would the airlines care about this at all? To reiterate this is completely non-flying related.



The answer is it depends, but it isnít a show stopper at all. Delta looks at Fitreps, SWA calls and digs in detail for personal and professional references. The best thing to do is own it, make it a learning experience, and then find some personal and professional references that can attest to that fact. That way, when it comes up in your background check, you are already in front of it.
Plenty of guys and girls I know have similar blemishes in the Navy and fly for the airlines now.

Excargodog
06-08-2018, 01:52 PM
How closely do the airlines scruntize your military record?

Let's say a naval aviator did something stupid (outside of the cockpit) and was sent to Mast and given a letter of reprimand, ensuring he'll never make O-4, effectively ending his naval career. Would the airlines care about this at all? To reiterate this is completely non-flying related.

Admiral's underage daughter? Might be a problem...
:rolleyes:


NathanHale1776
06-08-2018, 02:32 PM
The answer is it depends, but it isnít a show stopper at all. Delta looks at Fitreps, SWA calls and digs in detail for personal and professional references. The best thing to do is own it, make it a learning experience, and then find some personal and professional references that can attest to that fact. That way, when it comes up in your background check, you are already in front of it.
Plenty of guys and girls I know have similar blemishes in the Navy and fly for the airlines now.

Thank you

Admiral's underage daughter? Might be a problem...
:rolleyes:

No, nothing that bad. Nothing that would be criminal in the civilian world.

rickair7777
06-08-2018, 02:37 PM
One or two of the top-tier airlines will ask for FITREPs.

Are you being allowed to remain to HYT? It will be better (for airlines) if you resign so you don't have some weird separation code on your DD-214. You might get better military transition benefits if you're separated for HYT though.

Generally something of this magnitude will not kill you in the long run, but you might have to settle for second-tier/LCC or spend time at a regional. However... airlines are extremely politically correct/sensitive, so the specific nature of the offense could be very important (if the airlines find out about it).

Something you'll need to consider... if you're allowed to resign normally, and your DD-214 reflects that, you need to decide how to answer the question "why did you leave the military"? Honesty is usually the best policy, in case they find out what happened from a third party.

rickair7777
06-08-2018, 02:38 PM
Admiral's underage daughter? Might be a problem...
:rolleyes:

How about the admiral's daughter's friend? :o

rickair7777
06-08-2018, 02:40 PM
No, nothing that bad. Nothing that would be criminal in the civilian world.

Bear in mind that the airlines have their own rules which they'll expect you to follow, and they will consider your military history in that context.

Otterbox
06-08-2018, 03:51 PM
How closely do the airlines scruntize your military record?

Let's say a naval aviator did something stupid (outside of the cockpit) and was sent to Mast and given a letter of reprimand, ensuring he'll never make O-4, effectively ending his naval career. Would the airlines care about this at all? To reiterate this is completely non-flying related.

Yeah theyíll care... on what level? Who knows... it will depend on the pilot shortage at the time.

Your best bet is to go to an AA Wholly Owned Regional since they have a flow while you apply to all the other airlines above the regional level...

F15andMD11
06-08-2018, 08:42 PM
...Your best bet is to go to an AA Wholly Owned Regional since they have a flow while you apply to all the other airlines above the regional level... WHAT?! I just threw up in my mouth. God no! Since DL stopped hiring the only airline that cares is FedEx. Theyíre one in same when it comes to hiring.
Itís water under the bridge. Just bring your flt records, look sharp and answer the questions. When asked if you knocked up the admiralís daughter, you say...no! :D
My airline didnít ask for OPRS (fitreps). :rolleyes:

Grumble
06-09-2018, 12:07 PM
How closely do the airlines scruntize your military record?

Let's say a naval aviator did something stupid (outside of the cockpit) and was sent to Mast and given a letter of reprimand, ensuring he'll never make O-4, effectively ending his naval career. Would the airlines care about this at all? To reiterate this is completely non-flying related.

Sounds like either an alcohol related incident, mishandling classified info or money.

The second two, not a big deal. The first is recoverable as long as it wasn’t a DUI or some kind of bar brawl.

Otterbox
06-09-2018, 12:50 PM
WHAT?! I just threw up in my mouth. God no! Since DL stopped hiring the only airline that cares is FedEx. Theyíre one in same when it comes to hiring.
Itís water under the bridge. Just bring your flt records, look sharp and answer the questions. When asked if you knocked up the admiralís daughter, you say...no! :D
My airline didnít ask for OPRS (fitreps). :rolleyes:

Without knowing the nature of the offense and characterization of discharge going to a regional with a flow while applying to the majors (if not picked up off active duty) isnít a terrible backup plan.

There are plenty of places that will accept ďmisconductĒ on the record from a military applicant, however not all are places someone may want spend a lifetime after leaving active duty.

Ideally it wonít be an issue applying to the majors, but if it ends up being a contributing factor why someone doesnít get picked up directly off active duty to a major, theyíre going to want to have a backup plan that puts them on a path to get to the majors eventually.

AA Wholly Owneds do that, and accept folks who are discharged with better than an OTH.

The OP probably has a good reason to consult an airline interview prep company to give them the full details and get a read on the situation to help develope a plan that will put them where they want to be in the long run...

Stoked27
06-10-2018, 06:16 AM
I was under the impression from an employee law standpoint that a company can ask for a copy of your DD214, but that asking for information beyond that (i.e, fitreps) is not allowed. See link below.

Your DD214 and Veterans' Employment Opportunities (http://www.dd214.us/dd214andjobs.html)

Whether itís protected (not legal to ask) or just frowned upon Iím not sure, but it sounds like a gray area at best. (If anyone else knows please clarify) Either way even if they shouldnít ask for it and they do, it sounds like the only way to have a positive outcome is to discuss what happened truthfully.

Pyro
06-16-2018, 08:28 AM
How closely do the airlines scruntize your military record?

Let's say a naval aviator did something stupid (outside of the cockpit) and was sent to Mast and given a letter of reprimand, ensuring he'll never make O-4, effectively ending his naval career. Would the airlines care about this at all? To reiterate this is completely non-flying related.

Continue with story...

rickair7777
06-16-2018, 12:36 PM
I was under the impression from an employee law standpoint that a company can ask for a copy of your DD214, but that asking for information beyond that (i.e, fitreps) is not allowed. See link below.

Your DD214 and Veterans' Employment Opportunities (http://www.dd214.us/dd214andjobs.html)

Whether itís protected (not legal to ask) or just frowned upon Iím not sure, but it sounds like a gray area at best. (If anyone else knows please clarify) Either way even if they shouldnít ask for it and they do, it sounds like the only way to have a positive outcome is to discuss what happened truthfully.

The DD214 is supposed to be the only mechanism used to verify that military service occurred, and the type of discharge. This is to ensure consistency since other records may not have the same due process as a DD214, and may be readily forged with no means of verification.

That doesn't mean they can't ask for other docs to learn more about the qualifications an applicant has (ie military flight records). FITREPs can show experience and job history, but obviously also can characterize your military performance. I'm not aware of any federal rule that says they can't ask for them.