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queue
06-11-2018, 07:49 AM
The Days of the Airline Strike May Be Over (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-08/the-days-of-the-airline-strike-may-be-over)

Oh really? According to whom?


Bloomberg is well known to be an echo-chamber of establishment politics and elites. All the news companies buy news from them which is why you hear the same things everywhere. Remember that disinformation brainwashing article "JetBlue For Good: Why This Airline Cares So Damn Much (https://www.cntraveler.com/story/jetblue-for-good-why-this-airline-cares-so-damn-much)"?... news is always for sale.

“The NMB is likely to approach each of these bargaining situations based on its own individual circumstances and make the kind of determinations that serve the purpose of the NMB—to have smooth labor relations, as well as prevent interruptions to interstate commerce,” said Jeffrey Wall, an attorney specializing in labor law at FordHarrison LLP in Washington.Stuff like this meant to demoralize a labor group. To make them feel like resistance is futile. To make us feel like we have no options and no power. It's Pyschological Warfare 101. It's the modern day Tokyo Rose.



Even if you can't be released to strike, there's nothing stopping us from educating people about our situation. Doing an information picket at Wall Street or some other public outlet is effective. These pickets must be sustained and frequent in order to erode at your enemy's pillars of support. For example, BJ relies heavily on marketing "culture" to naive customers. What will people think if BJ is saying we are all one big happy family while we look like Prisoners of War? Anyone who has been through survival training knows the logic of this.



https://i.ytimg.com/vi/YCDb1CwNfmY/maxresdefault.jpg

There are so many ways to make them surrender without being bound by the RLA. If BJ decides to retaliate by attacking ALPA, it only further serves our purpose since the flying public will see turmoil and an attempt by the company to attack us. (https://www.bizjournals.com/chicago/news/2016/08/03/southwest-airlines-ceo-gary-kelly-slams-pilots-as.html)


https://www.bizjournals.com/chicago/news/2016/08/03/southwest-airlines-ceo-gary-kelly-slams-pilots-as.html



Here's the law... let's stop letting the media and union busters (and weak ALPA bureaucrats) do the thinking for us. There is plenty of room to resist within legal framework.





Railway Labor Act Simplified (APC thread) (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/jetblue/114169-railway-labor-act-simplified.html)




source: The Railway Labor Act Simplified (http://pennfedbmwe.org/Docs/reference/RLA_Simplified.html)


Contracts remain in force until changed. Either party seeking to amend existing CBA’s must provide 30-day written notice as to desired changes. (Section 6 RLA). There is no time limit by which contracts must be negotiated to avoid a work stoppage. Under Section 6 of the act either side may propose changes to an existing collective bargaining agreement, but agreements (for purposes of stability and labor peace) generally contain agreed upon moratorium clauses that provide no change may be demanded on specified subjects for a prescribed period of time.

Once Section 6 notices proposing changes to an existing agreement have been served, the parties must maintain the status quo (no strikes or lockouts or promulgation of changes) until all procedures of the RLA have been fully exhausted.


For major disputes over wages, benefits and working conditions, the RLA provides for a three-member National Mediation Board, appointed by the president and confirmed by the Senate, with the power to mediate any dispute between carriers and their employees at the request of either party or upon the board's own motion.


There is no time limit on the mediation procedure. The NMB controls the schedule of talks and only the NMB may release the parties from mediation.


If the NMB is unable to bring about an amicable settlement of the controversy through mediation, the board is required to use its influence to induce the parties voluntarily to submit to binding arbitration. The law is specific in that arbitration is voluntary and not compulsory.
If both sides voluntarily agree to binding arbitration, an Arbitration Board of up to six members is to be established. Carriers and labor each select an equal number of arbitrators, who then select the additional member or members.

Presidential Emergency Board

If either labor or management decline voluntary arbitration, and if in the opinion of the NMB the continuance of the controversy threatens substantially to interrupt interstate commerce in any section of the nation, the NMB is required to notify the President of the United States, who may, at his discretion, create a fact-finding Presidential Emergency Board.


The parties must maintain the status quo (no strikes or lockouts) for 30 days. If the president chooses not to appoint an emergency board, strikes or lockouts may occur after the 30-day cooling-off period.
Emergency boards are comprised of neutral members whose job is to make an investigation and submit to the president, within 30 days of its creation, a fact-finding report with non-binding recommendations for procedures or terms on which a dispute might be settled. During this period, the parties must maintain the status quo (a second 30-day cooling-off period).


Upon submission of the PEB report, the parties are required to maintain the status quo for an additional, or third 30-day cooling-off period (they may mutually agree to extend the period of status quo). The non-binding recommendations of the PEB are expected to carry the weight of public opinion and induce a voluntary agreement among the parties.
At this point, the RLA has run its course. If no agreement has been reached, either side becomes free to act in its own economic interests -- a work stoppage (or strike) by labor, a lockout by management, or unilateral implementation of management proposals (that generally would force a work stoppage).


However, Congress frequently imposes its own settlement. Such congressional action is not part of the RLA. The constitutional authority for Congress to impose its own settlements is found in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution's commerce clause.

This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.


mikenike
06-11-2018, 08:40 AM
Bloomberg. What else do you need to know.

rickair7777
06-11-2018, 09:32 AM
Invoking POWs in comparison to airline pilot labor issues is offensive.


BunkerF16
06-11-2018, 10:16 AM
Invoking POWs in comparison to airline pilot labor issues is offensive.




This.


Completely inappropriate and diminishes anything you tried to say.

queue
06-11-2018, 11:55 AM
This.


Completely inappropriate and diminishes anything you tried to say.

You don't understand what I'm saying.

Go ahead and be offended. That's your problem.

This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

Rabid Seagull
06-11-2018, 01:03 PM
You don't understand what I'm saying.

Go ahead and be offended. That's your problem.



Lordy, isn't it 0400 in Singapore right now?:eek:

BunkerF16
06-12-2018, 07:24 AM
You don't understand what I'm saying.

Go ahead and be offended. That's your problem.

This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.


Doesn't matter what you're saying. There's no need to put a POW in your communication regardless of your message. The fact you are trying to defend yourself says a lot about the kind of person you are.

WhistlePig
06-12-2018, 06:20 PM
Queue, that is low and inappropriate even by your warped and non-existent standards. And extremely offensive to those of us who put ourselves in harms way and lost people as well. You are literally exploiting an image of a ally and patriot's fear and pain for your own personal propaganda. Your actions are beyond the pale.

Can a Mod put this jack wagon in time-out? We're tired of his BS at B6.

Gordie H
06-12-2018, 07:56 PM
I don't disagree with above posts…but I think mental health issues may be in play here (not joking). Hope I’m wrong but who would post this? Sincerely wish the OP well…..

queue
06-13-2018, 07:02 AM
Queue, that is low and inappropriate even by your warped and non-existent standards. And extremely offensive to those of us who put ourselves in harms way and lost people as well. You are literally exploiting an image of a ally and patriot's fear and pain for your own personal propaganda. Your actions are beyond the pale.

Can a Mod put this jack wagon in time-out? We're tired of his BS at B6.


Perhaps you should learn to READ and COMPREHEND. No wonder you're so defeated as a pilot who can't get a respectable contract.



This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

queue
06-13-2018, 07:05 AM
I don't disagree with above posts…but I think mental health issues may be in play here (not joking). Hope I’m wrong but who would post this? Sincerely wish the OP well…..


I'm not the one with Stockholm Syndrome.



You should read what I said carefully. Don't insert your personal projections and reading between the lines. I'm merely comparing concepts - it actually has nothing to do with POWs except that military people are taught to use certain behaviors during captivity. It's also similar to the left's #resist movement.



This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.