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zondaracer
06-20-2018, 06:16 AM
Not for SkyWest
https://news.delta.com/delta-and-bombardier-execute-purchase-agreement-20-crj900-replacement-aircraft


Check Complete
06-20-2018, 06:48 AM
Who?

Source?

zondaracer
06-20-2018, 07:13 AM
Well I donít know who will fly them but that link I posted has the announcement.

Delta has entered into an agreement with Bombardier to purchase 20 CRJ900 aircraft that will replace older regional jet aircraft flown by Delta Connection operators.

The operationally efficient jets are to be delivered beginning in late 2018 with the last delivery to occur in 2020. They will feature Bombardier's new AtmosphŤre Cabin, including increased carry-on bag capacity, a larger lavatory and improved aesthetic detail throughout the cabin.

These aircraft will be configured with 70 total seats including 12 in First Class, 20 in Delta Comfort+ and 38 in the main cabin. They will fly on small market routes to and from Delta's domestic hubs.


Check Complete
06-20-2018, 07:16 AM
Ya I saw that too, I was just surprised that no operator was identified.

I'm also surprised this carrot wasn't dangled a couple of weeks ago to influence the TA?

flydiamond
06-20-2018, 07:17 AM
Ya I saw that too, I was just surprised that no operator was identified.

I'm also surprised this carrot wasn't dangled a couple of weeks ago to influence the TA?

Because theyíre going to 9E...

amcnd
06-20-2018, 07:28 AM
We donít fly OPP... (other peopleís planes).

WesternSkies
06-20-2018, 07:29 AM
The 900-Lites were an American rumor.
Iím actually kind of curious about this order as why theyíd not go ERJ SC instead.
CRJ is great if youíve never ridden on an ERJ while the traveling public is getting more exposure to the ERJ.
I donít care much to be cradled by this airplane in the window seat, which is an experience for half the passengers.

9e 175 program sitting on the shelf indeed.

amcnd
06-20-2018, 07:33 AM
The 900-Lites were an American rumor.
Iím actually kind of curious about this order as why theyíd not go ERJ SC instead.
CRJ is great if youíve never ridden on an ERJ while the traveling public is getting more exposure to the ERJ.
I donít care much to be cradled by this airplane in the window seat, which is an experience for half the passengers.

9e 175 program sitting on the shelf indeed.

Because they are half the price of a ERJ. Just look at factory numbers and orders. This will help keep the CRJ line going. They are hanging on by a thread...

N1234
06-20-2018, 07:34 AM
The 900-Lites were an American rumor.
Iím actually kind of curious about this order as why theyíd not go ERJ SC instead.
CRJ is great if youíve never ridden on an ERJ while the traveling public is getting more exposure to the ERJ.
I donít care much to be cradled by this airplane in the window seat, which is an experience for half the passengers.

9e 175 program sitting on the shelf indeed.

Agreed. Unless they got them close to free I am not sure why they would buy CRJ over ERJ. Maybe it was a package deal with the CS?

The more interesting question is what planes get retired. DL is scoped out. 20 new means that 20 old will have to go away from somewhere. Maybe GoJet?

KSCessnaDriver
06-20-2018, 07:35 AM
Agreed. Unless they got them close to free I am not sure why they would buy CRJ over ERJ. Maybe it was a package deal with the CS?

The more interesting question is what planes get retired. DL is scoped out. 20 new means that 20 old will have to go away from somewhere. Maybe GoJet?

Considering they're 70 seats, it's either CR7's or 170's coming off the line.

flydiamond
06-20-2018, 07:36 AM
Because they are half the price of a ERJ. Just look at factory numbers and orders. This will help keep the CRJ line going. They are hanging on by a thread...

Also, Iím curious how good a product the new Atmosphere cabin will be. CRJ 900 isnít the most uncomfortable plane out there...large windows, new overhead bins, new galleys and lavs, reasonably good seat pitch and average seat width. Just a narrow aisle...

zondaracer
06-20-2018, 07:47 AM
The 900-Lites were an American rumor.


People kept saying American but it never made sense because AA scope is 66-76 seats counts the same. No point in putting 70 seats in a 900 for American.

WesternSkies
06-20-2018, 07:49 AM
True the actual price point vs advertised could force Delta.
It has been a pretty strong rumor that Delta didnít like the lack of a fwd lav in the 700.
These could be a one for one swap for GoJet and 3 for 9e.

I canít imagine the bins being any closer to the passengers heads. I hope the increase in size come by some other means.

flydiamond
06-20-2018, 07:49 AM
Considering they're 70 seats, it's either CR7's or 170's coming off the line.

Replacing crj 700s. See article on Delta Net for source. Most likely GoJets’s planes. Ordering factory direct would allow Delta to place them at 9E and draw down GoJets flying without disrupting their feed at all, as happened with the Express Jet transfer.

rickair7777
06-20-2018, 07:54 AM
Agreed. Unless they got them close to free I am not sure why they would buy CRJ over ERJ. Maybe it was a package deal with the CS?

The more interesting question is what planes get retired. DL is scoped out. 20 new means that 20 old will have to go away from somewhere. Maybe GoJet?

900 fuselage with 70 seats => more premium seats, more legroom for everybody. Maybe not as nice as a 175, but add in some modern cabin furnishings and lights, and it will fool most of the pax, at a deep discount. Makes sense to me.

Also delivery slots are probably available starting next Monday, while I assume the 175 is sold out until 2025.

WesternSkies
06-20-2018, 08:20 AM
Only first class has wheel-first bins.
The rest of the bins are only slightly larger.
Bins fill up anyway as it is.
This isnít a pink tag changer of a design from what I can see.

hawk21
06-20-2018, 10:05 AM
I have a friend trying to convince me theyíre not going to Endeavor but Iím not buying it.

WesternSkies
06-20-2018, 10:40 AM
Stock popped after the announcement. Either they know something or probably more likely blindly hoping with other peopleís cash.

hawk21
06-20-2018, 01:12 PM
SkyWest likes to own their aircraft so I have a hard time believing they're coming our way. If they do it's probably temporary.

Mesabah
06-20-2018, 01:53 PM
Bill, the CEO of DCI, just said they are for Skywest.

AimHigh1
06-20-2018, 02:00 PM
I have a friend trying to convince me theyíre not going to Endeavor but Iím not buying it.

They're going to SkyWest..

Check Complete
06-20-2018, 02:20 PM
They're going to SkyWest..

I hope you are in correct, we are already way under staffed.

Source?

Mesabah
06-20-2018, 02:30 PM
I hope you are in correct, we are already way under staffed.

Source?http://i67.tinypic.com/5mmolu.jpg

N1234
06-20-2018, 03:03 PM
I hope you are in correct, we are already way under staffed.

Source?

It is a one for one exchange - no new flying - no additional staffing required.

WesternSkies
06-20-2018, 03:40 PM
I had no idea 20 of our 700s were leased from Delta.

rickair7777
06-20-2018, 03:40 PM
SkyWest likes to own their aircraft so I have a hard time believing they're coming our way. If they do it's probably temporary.

Not exactly true. What they try to avoid is commiting to short term deals, especially with airplanes they have to buy.

If it's just swapping planes under a long standing contact, no big deal.

hawk21
06-20-2018, 04:52 PM
http://i67.tinypic.com/5mmolu.jpg


Well I'm surprised.

amcnd
06-20-2018, 05:09 PM
Very interesting. Untill its on swol im not convinced.. maybe tomorrow at 8:15pm after the vote results are out...

WesternSkies
06-20-2018, 05:36 PM
Very interesting. Untill its on swol im not convinced.. maybe tomorrow at 8:15pm after the vote results are out...

Haha .

moflyer
06-20-2018, 06:59 PM
Very interesting. Untill its on swol im not convinced.. maybe tomorrow at 8:15pm after the vote results are out...

SkyWest will send a priority message, that these are contingent on a yea vote.

RemoveB4Flight
06-20-2018, 07:14 PM
It is a one for one exchange - no new flying - no additional staffing required.

Additional staffing is required already regardless of a one for one exchange.
Unless these 20 new airplanes are each full of 70 additional qualified pilots, we will remain understaffed.

amcnd
06-20-2018, 08:05 PM
SkyWest will send a priority message, that these are contingent on a yea vote.

Kind of late for that. Im sure most people have already voted...but im guessing if they are going to OO its part of a larger deal to draw down DL 700ís.. but that leaves one question. Aspen needs the 700.. ? .. what will they do with the ones that leave? AA? They seem to like them. The fact that it wasnít announced by OO today leads me to believe that there is more to the story...

MolineCFI
06-20-2018, 10:24 PM
Because they are half the price of a ERJ. Just look at factory numbers and orders. This will help keep the CRJ line going. They are hanging on by a thread...

They are hanging on by the 485 million the canadian government gave them to keep going.

atpcliff
06-21-2018, 12:35 PM
Also, Iím curious how good a product the new Atmosphere cabin will be. CRJ 900 isnít the most uncomfortable plane out there...large windows, new overhead bins, new galleys and lavs, reasonably good seat pitch and average seat width. Just a narrow aisle...

The biz class seats in the 700/900 are MUCH worse than the biz class -170/75 seats. I wish they would just put the Embraer biz seats into the 700/900.

LAX2MSP
06-21-2018, 01:33 PM
The biz class seats in the 700/900 are MUCH worse than the biz class -170/75 seats. I wish they would just put the Embraer biz seats into the 700/900.

The seats are exactly the same.

n9810f
06-21-2018, 09:53 PM
No they're not. E70/75 seats are unique to Embraer & the CRJ first class seats are smaller versions of the junk seats we fly on mainline - with the exception being original Mesaba NWA-owned CR9's and OO's original CR9's for the DL Connx.

The seats are exactly the same.

EFBprobs
06-21-2018, 11:28 PM
If DL bought the aircraft, they won't be operated by OO. St. George likes to own their airplanes.

KSCessnaDriver
06-22-2018, 07:11 AM
If DL bought the aircraft, they won't be operated by OO. St. George likes to own their airplanes.

Well, since the director of Delta Connection has said they're going to Skywest, I'll bet your wrong.

catmanhairy
06-28-2018, 03:40 PM
I hope you are in correct, we are already way under staffed.

Source?

How many flight hours are first year FO averaging at SkyWest?

amcnd
06-28-2018, 05:06 PM
How many flight hours are first year FO averaging at SkyWest?

Very non scientific look at PBS bid transparency. I would say CRJ 85-90hrs a month block. ERJ 68-74hrs a month.. (thats all just awarded, sure guys pick up/drop trips)

TenaciousB
06-28-2018, 06:46 PM
How many flight hours are first year FO averaging at SkyWest?

E175 on reserve average 20/hrs a month (base depending). This may increase as we get new planes. Depending on your base you may be off reserve in a few months or 8-9 months then average around 70 give or take 10.

Therealseal
09-22-2018, 07:45 AM
Any updates on these?

threeighteen
09-22-2018, 08:18 AM
Any updates on these?

just took delivery of the first one this week. 19 more to come to OO.

Therealseal
09-22-2018, 10:40 AM
just took delivery of the first one this week. 19 more to come to OO.

Oh wow, any idea how many by the end of the year?

threeighteen
09-22-2018, 01:50 PM
Oh wow, any idea how many by the end of the year?

nope. 20 coming over a 3 year period.

trip
09-22-2018, 06:13 PM
Oh wow, any idea how many by the end of the year?

These are replacing old CRJ700 models, one-for-one, not in addition to.

threeighteen
09-22-2018, 06:16 PM
These are replacing old CRJ700 models, one-for-one, not in addition to.

The 700 models are staying in the fleet from what I understand, but will be flown for American.

hawk21
09-22-2018, 07:05 PM
The 700 models are staying in the fleet from what I understand, but will be flown for American.

Correct.

Filler

Skyguy85
09-23-2018, 08:12 AM
The 700 models are staying in the fleet from what I understand, but will be flown for American.

Thatís not a 1 for 1. Thatís an Deltas flights staying the same but increasing the lines flown for America. Or am I seeing that wrong.

trip
09-23-2018, 11:55 AM
Thatís not a 1 for 1. Thatís an Deltas flights staying the same but increasing the lines flown for America. Or am I seeing that wrong.

Overall?? Removing 20 CRJ200's from AA, adding 20 CRJ700's that get removed from the DL system but replaced with 70 seat CRJ900 lites over the next 3 years. Or something like that.

WHOisHMSHost
09-23-2018, 02:25 PM
Correct me, I understand the 900s to being 1 for 1 directly. Meaning Delta is returning the old 700s to the lessor. Then on a different side ASA 700s are being added to cert which the opspec confirms while American 200s get dropped to XJT to resurface in Chicago for United. Meanwhile 175s keep getting delivered from the factory.
🥜

amcnd
09-23-2018, 04:19 PM
Correct me, I understand the 900s to being 1 for 1 directly. Meaning Delta is returning the old 700s to the lessor. Then on a different side ASA 700s are being added to cert which the opspec confirms while American 200s get dropped to XJT to resurface in Chicago for United. Meanwhile 175s keep getting delivered from the factory.
🥜


We stoped taking ASA 700ís. Plan was a 45 day turnaround... 85 is the normalization of getting them fixed up... so we will swap out our DL 700ís to AA instead for awhile... still some of a 3 way swap going on. I show 6 old EV 700ís in conformance checks... plus ASA still has to fly through November/December time frame. Lets look again in January. Thats when more should show up...