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Inop2
06-23-2018, 08:07 AM
Saw the question posted somewhere but no answer. If on the 75 and upgrading is there a shorter training footprint now? When I went through as an FO upgrades where doing the same program minus Indoc.


Bassman1985
06-23-2018, 09:18 AM
Qualified Upgrade should be shorter. Iím assuming the CAs you were working with hadnít come straight from 175 FO to 175 CA.

Inop2
06-23-2018, 12:50 PM
Qualified Upgrade should be shorter. Iím assuming the CAs you were working with hadnít come straight from 175 FO to 175 CA.

Yes... one did but I recall he did the full program minus Indoc. Maybe nothing has changed and I just received bad info.


KodiakRS
06-24-2018, 09:45 AM
If I remember correctly there was QUG program in development for the 175 but the first trial runs didn't go so well. I'm not sure if they are going to, or already have, brought it back.

Vne469
06-25-2018, 09:01 AM
Is it possible for a new hire 145 FO to be awarded a 175 FO slot within their fist year of Envoy?

Bassman1985
06-25-2018, 09:04 AM
Is it possible for a new hire 145 FO to be awarded a 175 FO slot within their fist year of Envoy?

Only if that 145 FOs status gets eliminated, triggering a displacement bid. Highly unlikely.

SoFloFlyer
06-25-2018, 09:50 PM
Curious to know how many 175 CA there are and how man 145 CA there on bids. What are the chances of a 145 CA getting into the 175 as a CA. Curiosity is all

moon
06-26-2018, 02:39 AM
Curious to know how many 175 CA there are and how man 145 CA there on bids. What are the chances of a 145 CA getting into the 175 as a CA. Curiosity is all

30% can go to existing captains on other equipment. Seniority and seat lock are the only other things preventing a CA equipment transfer.

Pedro4President
06-26-2018, 03:03 AM
Curious to know how many 175 CA there are and how man 145 CA there on bids. What are the chances of a 145 CA getting into the 175 as a CA. Curiosity is all

Like the last guy said 30%.

However, there are other ways for a 145 CA guy to get the 175 IF he hasn't finished IOE/Fed ride. A Pilot doesn't become a CA until he completely finishes training.

CrowneVic
06-26-2018, 05:45 PM
Like the last guy said 30%.

However, there are other ways for a 145 CA guy to get the 175 IF he hasn't finished IOE/Fed ride. A Pilot doesn't become a CA until he completely finishes training.

Please do explain, Sir.

MD-11Loader
06-26-2018, 06:05 PM
Please do explain, Sir.


If they were displaced. It's in your contract. Just look it up.

Pedro4President
06-27-2018, 05:31 PM
Please do explain, Sir.

So a CA can't bid to an FO spot. All pilots with 950 will be displaced to CA spot. NO pilot should preference to upgrade while the company is forcing upgrades. If or when you get displaced to CA then the next bid preference for an FO position and then subsequently get displaced during the displacement round. From there you can have the 175 CA position in your top displacement and hope to get the 175.

My last and final advice is to contact your union rep if you want bidding advice. Tell them what you want and they will point you in the right direction.

inky13
07-03-2018, 02:51 PM
Saw the question posted somewhere but no answer. If on the 75 and upgrading is there a shorter training footprint now? When I went through as an FO upgrades where doing the same program minus Indoc.

I know the AQP Student Handbook needs to be updated, but the E175 and E145 both have the Qualified Upgrade programs...there were no issues during the small group tryouts.

Classroom: DNR, 3 class days (classes look exactly like CQ ground)
CPT: 2 sessions then SV and PV (very similar to the QC CPT/SV/PV)
SIM: 4 lessons including 1 LOFT, then MV and LOE
IOE: Looks like ALL Captains going thru training get 50 hours of IOE, then their Initial Line Check/FAA Observation

SilentLurker
07-07-2018, 05:14 AM
Did CRJ program go through a certification process for Qualified upgrades? If so who pulled the plug and why?

Now that the CRJ is going to be around ANOTHER 1.5 - 2 yrs. Would be a no brainer decision to have one, and it would be nice for those 1st time upgrades already typed and experienced on it plus 50hrs IOE, makes for an even safer, and more efficient operational transition. The irony of how some management folks point fingers behind closed doors that Line Pilots are inefficient, costly, and wasteful. Each fleet type should have a Qualified Upgrade program in place at a time when there is CA shortage. Just my 2 cents. We all want the best for this company.

inky13
07-10-2018, 06:10 PM
Did CRJ program go through a certification process for Qualified upgrades? If so who pulled the plug and why?

Now that the CRJ is going to be around ANOTHER 1.5 - 2 yrs. Would be a no brainer decision to have one, and it would be nice for those 1st time upgrades already typed and experienced on it plus 50hrs IOE, makes for an even safer, and more efficient operational transition. The irony of how some management folks point fingers behind closed doors that Line Pilots are inefficient, costly, and wasteful. Each fleet type should have a Qualified Upgrade program in place at a time when there is CA shortage. Just my 2 cents. We all want the best for this company.


The future of a CRJ QU program has never been shot down as a definite no. Unfortunately, not too many students would qualify to attend a CRJ QU so as to get enough data for a SGT. This last bid might make a difference, we'll see.