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rxsanche
07-03-2018, 06:26 PM
Looking to dive deep into what Air Wisconsin advertises as
"A commuter friendly airline"
1. Are the commuter clause protections for attempt to meet trip by listing by say 2 flights?

2. What priority do Air Wisconsin pilots commuting have on United? How does affect commuters overall getting to/from base?

3. How does the minimum 12 days off work on your schedules? 4 on 3 off type of deal?

I read lots of posts here about company Junior manning and abuses on extensions on days off? No long reserves but lots of short call making it extremely difficult for commuters to go home and show up in time to meet their flights
The former contradict a commuter friendly culture.

Please constructively elaborate on the points referenced above.

Thank you


toolowterrain
07-03-2018, 08:28 PM
Looking to dive deep into what Air Wisconsin advertises as
"A commuter friendly airline"
1. Are the commuter clause protections for attempt to meet trip by listing by say 2 flights?

As long as you have one flight that arrives 2hrs prior to showtime and a second at least 00:30 mins prior you are protected from discipline. You can rejoin your trip whenever you can, but you are not pay protected for anything you do not fly.

2. What priority do Air Wisconsin pilots commuting have on United? How does affect commuters overall getting to/from base?

Not that high except on your own metal. Real United employees are ahead of you on mainline flights.

The second part is to ambiguous. It depends on where you commute from and to what domicile. IAD-ROC? Easy. IAH-ORD? Good luck, etc.

3. How does the minimum 12 days off work on your schedules? 4 on 3 off type of deal?

Depends on what you bid and actually get. Usually 4 on 3 off, but 5 on 3 off is not unusual on reserve.

Letís say you are junior and this month you work the last 5 days of the month. Next month you work the first 5 because thats the line you got. They will adjust it to be 117 legal but you might end up with 5 on- 1 off- 4 on. Happens at my new airline also

I read lots of posts here about company Junior manning and abuses on extensions on days off? No long reserves but lots of short call making it extremely difficult for commuters to go home and show up in time to meet their flights
The former contradict a commuter friendly culture.

Well, welcome to the regionals? YOU choose to commute. Junior mans aside, there are some trips that start at 0500 and end at 23:00. As seniority increases, then this gets better as is the case in every airline.

Please constructively elaborate on the points referenced above.

Thank you


Side note: I recently left to an LCC. Thatís s how it worked in my 8 years there, but others can chime in.

Also, you seem to be all worked up about this commuting thing. Commuter friendly means that as long as you follow whatever rules are set you wonít get in trouble. It doesnít mean you will get at Monday-Thursday Schedule starting at 5pm and finishing at 11am on the last day with a confirmed seat to/from work and 100% pay for whatever flying you miss as a newhire.

The truth is thay commutting sucks no matter what, and its inevitable that you will loose some off days on either side due to crappy schedules.

Move to a base, find an airline where you can drive to work, or maybe itís not the right industry for you. Just donít expect a cake lifestyle as a commuter. Iíve been doing it for almost a decade.

At least we get a rare opportunity to live where we want which most careers donít. Everything comes with a sacrifice.

pilottim
07-04-2018, 03:59 AM
Letís say you are junior and this month you work the last 5 days of the month. Next month you work the first 5 because thats the line you got. They will adjust it to be 117 legal but you might end up with 5 on- 1 off- 4 on.

You actually get two days off. Integration is the last 3 days of the month and the first four days of the next month. If they can drop one day adjacent to an already scheduled day off to make you legal they will do that. In the example above where you are scheduled for 10 days, they would be required to drop two days.

The contract states: ďWhen the Company is required to drop an entire day of flying during the integration to comply with FAR and/or contract limitations, the Company will not alter the pilot's schedule in manner that results in a single day off.Ē


stroopwaffle
07-04-2018, 09:39 AM
The company canít make you have 1 day off from them manipulating schedules, but you can bid yourself during integration into (4 on)(1 off)(4 on) and they wonít give you a second day off as long as itís legal.

toolowterrain
07-04-2018, 11:44 AM
The company canít make you have 1 day off from them manipulating schedules, but you can bid yourself during integration into (4 on)(1 off)(4 on) and they wonít give you a second day off as long as itís legal.

Correct. Many times I had a reserve line working the 28,29,30,31st followed by another reserve line working the 2,3,4,5th, etc. The only thing they will do is watch the 30/168 but nothing else. But like I said thatís not just an Air Wisc thing. Happens at my new place too.

Islanderpilot
07-05-2018, 10:40 AM
If 12 days on is the minimum, is there a maximum days off. I was told during the interview that you can get as much as 16 days off.

Additionally, I was also told that this happens during certain months.

RabidW0mbat
07-05-2018, 01:10 PM
If 12 days on is the minimum, is there a maximum days off. I was told during the interview that you can get as much as 16 days off.

Additionally, I was also told that this happens during certain months.

It's actually 12 days off minimum.

Islanderpilot
07-05-2018, 01:54 PM
Sorry about that, I mean 12 days off.

Islanderpilot
07-05-2018, 01:56 PM
Is there a training contract for new hires?

Would the bonus $5K for the ATP CTP and the $26K be a pretext to a contract of 1 or 2 years?

Grumbletrousers
07-05-2018, 03:09 PM
Is there a training contract for new hires?

Would the bonus $5K for the ATP CTP and the $26K be a pretext to a contract of 1 or 2 years?

Thread (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/air-wisconsin/114462-air-wisconsin-bonus.html)



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