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disco inferno
07-06-2018, 06:22 AM
The frequency of issues with the older Airbus are starting to create a pattern similar to although not as bad as the MD80's. We need to abandon the older used Airbus and keep buying new planes.


j3cub
07-06-2018, 09:16 AM
Hahahahahahaha! Good luck.

The Ocho Libre
07-06-2018, 09:47 AM
The frequency of issues with the older Airbus are starting to create a pattern similar to although not as bad as the MD80's. We need to abandon the older used Airbus and keep buying new planes.

The planes aren't the big problem (with the exception of a couple admittedly) IMO. Management needs to pay our mechanics and provide the benefits to keep the good ones, many of which we have, but they tend to leave over time. Costs more to have a broken plane on the ground than the money it would take to keep our good mechanics here. So frustrating talking to a great mechanic that tells me he's leaving for SWA or Delta.


wilco811
07-06-2018, 10:03 AM
Definitely

labbats
07-06-2018, 10:31 AM
Good point. We aren’t losing the problem children to SWA, Alaska, United, AA and Delta. I can’t think of a single pilot or mechanic who has left who wasn’t good at their job and a good person with the exception of a notorious Mx controller. Still no idea how he got to SWA.

TBucs
07-06-2018, 03:59 PM
The planes aren't the big problem (with the exception of a couple admittedly) IMO. Management needs to pay our mechanics and provide the benefits to keep the good ones, many of which we have, but they tend to leave over time. Costs more to have a broken plane on the ground than the money it would take to keep our good mechanics here. So frustrating talking to a great mechanic that tells me he's leaving for SWA or Delta.

Ehhhh. We need new planes. Rumor is over 1 mil has been spent on 222 over your mommas dirty ***** smell.:D

CAirBear
07-06-2018, 04:09 PM
Ehhhh. We need new planes. Rumor is over 1 mil has been spent on 222 over your mommas dirty ***** smell.:D

Iím very pleased to see the response of the company regarding ďdirty/wet sockĒ When I first read the email back in June, in regards to what they are doing about it, it started out like they were downplaying it big time.

Again, I was very pleased to hear we are taking this seriously and will be installing Palls Air Bleed Filter STC.

akulahunter
07-06-2018, 04:53 PM
That email is very timely considering triple deuce just went down again for the smell today... Hopefully they get a handle on that one aircraft. I think Trip-3 is good now though, or at least I haven't heard anything lately.

crxpilot
07-07-2018, 05:36 AM
Iím very pleased to see the response of the company regarding ďdirty/wet sockĒ When I first read the email back in June, in regards to what they are doing about it, it started out like they were downplaying it big time.

Again, I was very pleased to hear we are taking this seriously and will be installing Palls Air Bleed Filter STC.

Iím sure FP&A analyzed it and decided it was cheaper than a lawsuit.

JustWatching
07-07-2018, 10:40 AM
Iím sure FP&A analyzed it and decided it was cheaper than a lawsuit.

I donít know why Airbus isnít paying for these issues since itís a known problem with the series.

crxpilot
07-07-2018, 06:40 PM
That email is very timely considering triple deuce just went down again for the smell today... Hopefully they get a handle on that one aircraft. I think Trip-3 is good now though, or at least I haven't heard anything lately.

Check that.
Trip-3 down again for that smell.

CAirBear
07-07-2018, 07:55 PM
Check that.
Trip-3 down again for that smell.

Yup. I know the FO who flew it back this morning. Absolutely ridiculous.

Beretta01
07-08-2018, 05:38 AM
Yup. I know the FO who flew it back this morning. Absolutely ridiculous.

I saw it this morning on the ramp, it appeared that the APU is being swapped.

akulahunter
07-08-2018, 08:00 AM
Triple Deuce is on Pad 1 with the APU out...

disco inferno
07-08-2018, 08:29 AM
Triple Deuce is on Pad 1 with the APU out...
333 or 222? A previous poster said 333.

CAirBear
07-08-2018, 09:23 AM
333 or 222? A previous poster said 333.

333 was the one my friend flew back yesterday.

akulahunter
07-09-2018, 05:56 AM
222 was parked on 1 yesterday when we taxied by (out and in). APU was on the ground in the morning, aft end was buttoned up in the afternoon (but it was still there).

tom11011
07-11-2018, 09:43 AM
I must admit their response was well written and thought out.

Iím very pleased to see the response of the company regarding ďdirty/wet sockĒ When I first read the email back in June, in regards to what they are doing about it, it started out like they were downplaying it big time.

Again, I was very pleased to hear we are taking this seriously and will be installing Palls Air Bleed Filter STC.

wjcandee
07-27-2018, 08:20 AM
Looks like Spirit had a bad enough "smelly socks" issue yesterday that it caused a diversion.

And everybody over there, publicly at least, is scratching their heads as to what caused it...

Suspicious 'smelly sock' odor causes Spirit flight to divert from Florida to Myrtle Beach | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5999037/Odor-diverts-Spirit-Airlines-flight-South-Carolina.html)

CAirBear
07-27-2018, 02:15 PM
Looks like Spirit had a bad enough "smelly socks" issue yesterday that it caused a diversion.

And everybody over there, publicly at least, is scratching their heads as to what caused it...

Suspicious 'smelly sock' odor causes Spirit flight to divert from Florida to Myrtle Beach | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5999037/Odor-diverts-Spirit-Airlines-flight-South-Carolina.html)

Oh they definitely have some idea. They are pretty well versed in it by now. If you recall, Spirit had the event where the CA died (a couple months later) and the FO was out on medical for quite awhile.

That FO was the one who created an Odor/Fumes checklist and procedures that most everyone uses now. Also, Spirit is installing the Pall Bleed Air STC Filter that we signed up to start installing as well.

There doesnít seem to be any rhyme or reason for them. Iíve talked to a Spirit guy who said theyíve had events in their brand new NEOs before.

I did learn something new, however. I didnít realize even with the APU Off, that oil could leak from it and get into the ECS. I always assumed it was blow back etc from the engine bearing seal getting into the Bleed Air. Interesting.

Beretta01
07-27-2018, 03:01 PM
I did learn something new, however. I didnít realize even with the APU Off, that oil could leak from it and get into the ECS. I always assumed it was blow back etc from the engine bearing seal getting into the Bleed Air. Interesting.

I had an in-flight fume event with the APU MELíd. It was deferred the day prior, as it had a fume event on the ground with the APU Bleed on.

tom11011
07-29-2018, 11:44 AM
I did learn something new, however. I didnít realize even with the APU Off, that oil could leak from it and get into the ECS. I always assumed it was blow back etc from the engine bearing seal getting into the Bleed Air. Interesting.


I was also surprised to learn that.

FlyingSlowly
07-31-2018, 12:42 PM
I donít know why Airbus isnít paying for these issues since itís a known problem with the series.

Admittedly, new planes shouldn't have APU bleed issues, however...

There was a week of 3 busses out of service at VPS alone not that long ago. One was driven off the edge of a 300-ft-wide runway.

The other two were a 2-for-1 takedown. Wingtip hit the tail of another company aircraft while parking on the ramp.

New airplanes will not solve these issues...

cactusmike
08-07-2018, 07:21 PM
I had an in-flight fume event with the APU MELíd. It was deferred the day prior, as it had a fume event on the ground with the APU Bleed on.

Do you guys have the IAE engines?

On shutdown the IAE purges the fuel system and releases a bunch of vapor. If you put the APU bleed on immediately you will get some of that vapor into the cabin air system. If you wait about a minute after both engines are shut down before putting on the APU bleed then you will pretty much eliminate that issue.

The other fun airbus fume issue is the filters in the a/c packs getting contaminated with engine oil from a bad seal. That stuf is super toxic.

labbats
08-08-2018, 01:34 AM
CFM engines on all Allegiant planes.