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lukeh99
07-19-2018, 10:11 AM
The most junior captain award on today's bid was a late June 2017 hire. Not bad.


T28driver
07-19-2018, 10:12 AM
The most junior captain award on today's bid was a late June 2017 hire. Not bad.

Actually itís an early July 2017 hire. I missed one guy.

lukeh99
07-19-2018, 10:28 AM
Actually itís an early July 2017 hire. I missed one guy.

I stand corrected. :D


Junkyard Dog
07-19-2018, 10:29 AM
I donít see the awards announcement out yet

lukeh99
07-19-2018, 10:52 AM
I donít see the awards announcement out yet

Just look at Flica

IFLYACRJ
07-19-2018, 11:20 AM
I donít see the awards announcement out yet



Theyíre out as well as opening a CAE base


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Roverruckus
07-19-2018, 11:25 AM
At this rate I'm gonna be bypassed due to 121 hours

jetlag q
07-19-2018, 12:36 PM
They bypassed a couple of guys to make that happen!

Av8tor8710
07-19-2018, 04:44 PM
Sorry, long time reader short time poster. Can you educate me on what you mean by Ďbypassed because of 121hrsí? Thanks. Currently instructing and trying to educate myself on regionals.

StrykerB21
07-19-2018, 05:18 PM
Sorry, long time reader short time poster. Can you educate me on what you mean by Ďbypassed because of 121hrsí? Thanks. Currently instructing and trying to educate myself on regionals.

You need a thousand SIC to upgrade. It typically takes longer than 14 months to get that. Theoretically a new hire would be eligible for upgrade based on seniority but would lack the flight time to legally accept it.

121.436 (a)(3)

Av8tor8710
07-19-2018, 05:33 PM
You need a thousand SIC to upgrade. It typically takes longer than 14 months to get that. Theoretically a new hire would be eligible for upgrade based on seniority but would lack the flight time to legally accept it.

121.436 (a)(3)

Thanks, I appreciate the education!

squib
07-19-2018, 07:23 PM
Meanwhile there are still 4+ year FO's who know what it's like to work for this company on reserve and are bypassing the upgrade so they can have more than 2 days at home per week. If you live in MKE or CAE, good for you.

If everyone eligible took the upgrade that time frame would be drastically different.

T28driver
07-19-2018, 08:47 PM
Meanwhile there are still 4+ year FO's who know what it's like to work for this company on reserve and are bypassing the upgrade so they can have more than 2 days at home per week. If you live in MKE or CAE, good for you.

If everyone eligible took the upgrade that time frame would be drastically different.

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/2561534-post20.html

squib
07-20-2018, 08:45 PM
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/2561534-post20.html


LOL. I'm repeating myself here but you've been waiting to post link that haven't you. Still doesn't defer the fact that they will be on endless reserve in an outstation while multiple 3-4 year FO's said no thanks. Rerun the numbers with everyone eligible for upgrade and it would be a different conversation.

Sure I'll tuck my tail and say that I was wrong. But good luck to the few.

lukeh99
07-21-2018, 05:19 AM
LOL. I'm repeating myself here but you've been waiting to post link that haven't you. Still doesn't defer the fact that they will be on endless reserve in an outstation while multiple 3-4 year FO's said no thanks. Rerun the numbers with everyone eligible for upgrade and it would be a different conversation.

Sure I'll tuck my tail and say that I was wrong. But good luck to the few.

One pilotís outstation is another pilotís home.

squib
07-21-2018, 11:55 AM
One pilotís outstation is another pilotís home.

Do you get compensated for your time promoting garbage in the form of cherry red kool-aid or also lav juice blue?

injun21
07-22-2018, 10:15 AM
Do you get compensated for your time promoting garbage in the form of cherry red kool-aid or also lav juice blue?



Is the rule that you need to have 1000 hours time with Air Wisconsin or 1000 hours of 121 time?

lukeh99
07-22-2018, 11:48 AM
Is the rule that you need to have 1000 hours time with Air Wisconsin or 1000 hours of 121 time?

121 time per FAA

lukeh99
07-22-2018, 11:51 AM
do you get compensated for your time promoting garbage in the form of cherry red kool-aid or also lav juice blue?

ohhhhh yeah

injun21
07-22-2018, 11:57 AM
121 time per FAA

Right, but does AWAC also want 1000 hrs with company?

Mustang62
07-22-2018, 05:36 PM
121 time per FAA

Nope, some 135 time also counts along with certain military time as well as some scheduled commuter stuff.

injun21
07-22-2018, 06:16 PM
Nope, some 135 time also counts along with certain military time as well as some scheduled commuter stuff.


So if someone comes on property with 1000 at a previous 121 jet employer, they COULD upgrade almost right away, in theory. If they came with 500 hrs, they would only need 500 more at AWAC if their senority could hold CA...?

T28driver
07-22-2018, 06:25 PM
So if someone comes on property with 1000 at a previous 121 jet employer, they COULD upgrade almost right away, in theory. If they came with 500 hrs, they would only need 500 more at AWAC if their senority could hold CA...?

Weíre not there yet. We also have a ton of people bypassing upgrade for quality of life reasons. There are many (MANY) pilots on our list that donít have 1000 hours yet that will upgrade as soon as they do.

This could be a one time anomaly. I think upgrade times will stabilize around the 14-18 month point, but there are some scenarios where we could see street captains in the coming months.

Mustang62
07-22-2018, 08:00 PM
So if someone comes on property with 1000 at a previous 121 jet employer, they COULD upgrade almost right away, in theory. If they came with 500 hrs, they would only need 500 more at AWAC if their senority could hold CA...?

In theory, yes. But most companies require a certain number of hours at that company before someone can upgrade. Some waive that, some don't. And again, it doesn't necessarily have to be 121 time!

injun21
07-22-2018, 09:27 PM
In theory, yes. But most companies require a certain number of hours at that company before someone can upgrade. Some waive that, some don't. And again, it doesn't necessarily have to be 121 time!

Does AWAC require 1000 hrs company 121 flying before it allows upgrade?

T28driver
07-23-2018, 03:26 AM
Does AWAC require 1000 hrs company 121 flying before it allows upgrade?

NO.

There is no requirement for ďcompany 121Ē hours.

pitchtrim
07-24-2018, 07:15 AM
Rumor mill post... flew with a couple fo's this past week who received calls from management asking if they were sure they wanted xyz as their captain permanent bid. One person is a bypasser, the other VERY junior but prior 121. The general vibe was some kind of big upgrade coming soon.

lukeh99
07-24-2018, 08:32 AM
Rumor mill post... flew with a couple fo's this past week who received calls from management asking if they were sure they wanted xyz as their captain permanent bid. One person is a bypasser, the other VERY junior but prior 121. The general vibe was some kind of big upgrade coming soon.

By XYZ you mean CAE?

pitchtrim
07-24-2018, 08:48 AM
One had mke and not sure about the other. May have been pre cae announcement.