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jstanotherpilot
07-19-2018, 12:45 PM
Hey everyone,

Haven't seen any posts mentioning Centurion Air Cargo or Skylease.

I see they have HUGE hangars and offices here in MIA with 74's parked outside all the time.

Is Centurion/Skylease the same thing?

Is the info on the APC profiles accurate?

If anyone out there works for them it'd be great to know about pay, schedules, QOL, just basics for any possible candidate.

Thanks!


GeelErmo
07-19-2018, 01:37 PM
50% furloughed. They do some characters once in a while and thatís about it.

capitalairtrans
07-19-2018, 01:54 PM
The former Centurion Cargo Center at building 916 is now operated by Amerijet. Skylease has one of the office pods, and some floor space, but 90% of that building is now Amerijetís.

Skylease still has the hangar between Pan Am and commercial jet, and Iím told all their flight operations offices are now located in the hangar.

I canít speak for working there, but a short google search doesnít bode well for employment there as a pilot... especially if you like getting paid to fly.


El Pilot
07-22-2018, 07:20 PM
Met a former Skylease pilot during an interview for a FedEx Feeder. fogetaboutit.

Amansworld
07-23-2018, 07:28 AM
Horrible place to work. FAA should have shutdown years ago.

4runner
07-23-2018, 12:45 PM
They wonít. The South FL FSDO is known for their transparency, appreciation for all things safety related, not at all corrupt and a bastion of integrity.

PanRobert
08-29-2018, 04:41 PM
Didn’t they go bankrupt?? Hiring again?

No Land 3
08-29-2018, 05:00 PM
They owe people a lot of money still. They will pay you what is owed if you go back to work for them, and not pay you if you don't come back. Real nice operation...

Asiabound
09-04-2018, 09:22 PM
Horrible place to work. FAA should have shutdown years ago.

It's a shame because it wasn't always that bad.

nitefr8dog
09-05-2018, 09:08 AM
It's a shame because it wasn't always that bad.
The pay was.....

Asiabound
09-05-2018, 12:04 PM
The pay was.....

And the pilot group, and its predecessor.

PanRobert
09-16-2018, 09:30 AM
Why is there no email or documentation?? Got offer via phone. Everything via phone. Not even able to be sure if itís not a prank.

nitefr8dog
09-16-2018, 12:59 PM
Why is there no email or documentation?? Got offer via phone. Everything via phone. Not even able to be sure if itís not a prank.they might not have any office equipment left...kind of been a fire sale of late just to keep the lights on..

JohnBurke
09-17-2018, 03:13 AM
They've had an airplane every night at Chicago for the past two weeks.

nitefr8dog
09-17-2018, 03:28 AM
They've had an airplane every night at Chicago for the past two weeks.
Still been a fire sale. Operating a couple aircraft to try to keep the certificate alive. While crews hope to get paid.

JohnBurke
09-17-2018, 06:18 AM
Evergreen had a 747 Classic parked at JFK for quite a while that wasn't going anywhere...and it was packed with office equipment, too, because they got booted from the building.

Skylease isn't allowed credit on the sim at the Boeing center; they are required to pay in advance, due to a history of non-payment.

It seems that fuel most places is the same way, to say nothing of the crew's alleged paychecks.

PanRobert
09-17-2018, 06:28 AM
But they offer jobs over the phone, expect people to quit previous job. Nothing in writing, not even the offer or $ terms.

JohnBurke
09-17-2018, 10:10 AM
But they offer jobs over the phone, expect people to quit previous job. Nothing in writing, not even the offer or $ terms.

If someone is stupid enough to take the offer, then it's a match.

There's nothing wrong with getting an offer over the phone. Taking a job without anything in writing or any knowledge of the pay, however, isn't a particularly bright practice, and the actual offer and acceptance should always be in writing.

Asiabound
09-17-2018, 01:07 PM
Skylease isn't allowed credit on the sim at the Boeing center; they are required to pay in advance, due to a history of non-payment.

It seems that fuel most places is the same way, to say nothing of the crew's alleged paychecks.

Not paying fuel bills is a pasttime for those aircraft. If I was a creditor I'd be on the airplane with a power saw and rig pretty quick pulling those engines off to get ma' moneyyss.

sky jet
09-17-2018, 02:58 PM
Not paying fuel bills is a pasttime for those aircraft. If I was a creditor I'd be on the airplane with a power saw and rig pretty quick pulling those engines off to get ma' moneyyss.

Yeah Iím sure the creditors never thought about that. Or maybe they are aware of the federal penalties for willfully damaging an aircraft. It sucks, but because aircraft are easily moved assets and jurisdictions can change each time they are moved they are very difficult to collect liens on.

Asiabound
09-17-2018, 10:14 PM
Yeah Iím sure the creditors never thought about that. Or maybe they are aware of the federal penalties for willfully damaging an aircraft. It sucks, but because aircraft are easily moved assets and jurisdictions can change each time they are moved they are very difficult to collect liens on.

True, but South America can be crazy, especially in places like Rio, Manaus, MDE. 😂

md11pilot11
11-07-2018, 03:42 AM
Skylease 747 just went off the end of the runway looks like it collapsed all the landing gear

Csy Mon
11-07-2018, 04:34 AM
Skylease 747 just went off the end of the runway looks like it collapsed all the landing gear

Tailwind landing.:(

24601
11-07-2018, 12:53 PM
yup, it broke apart. no life loss

Birdsmash
11-07-2018, 01:06 PM
Thankfulky nobody killed.
http://avherald.com/h?article=4bff5d1e&opt=0

Rosebud10
11-07-2018, 07:29 PM
7700 foot runway with a tailwind , not a smart move.

JohnBurke
11-07-2018, 07:39 PM
Same guy that overran in Hawaii.

orka
11-07-2018, 08:53 PM
7700 foot wet runway with a tailwind , not a smart move.

"watch this"

aviatorhi
11-07-2018, 09:29 PM
Same guy that overran in Hawaii.

There was an overrun in Hawaii?

Palmtree Pilot
11-07-2018, 10:14 PM
7700 foot runway with a tailwind , not a smart move.

6680' landing beyond the glide slope :eek:

Just hard to understand how they could have come to the conclusion this was suitable.

captjns
11-08-2018, 04:00 AM
CYHZ 070912Z 23011G18KT 8SM -RA BR SCT005 BKN012 OVC049 14/14 A2967 RMK SF4SC2SC2 SLP050 DENSITY ALT 800FT=
CYHZ 070900Z 23013KT 7SM -RA BR BKN005 OVC013 14/14 A2967 RMK SF5SC3 SLP050 DENSITY ALT 800FT



ILS RWY 23 NOTAMED U/S

A3279/18 NOTAMN
Q) CZQM/QFFAS/IV/NBO/A /000/999/4452N06330W005
A) CYHZ B) 1811070940 C) 1811080000
E) FIRE AND RESCUE OUT OF SERVICE
CYHZ ILS 23 U/S
1811062155-1811082100

RWY 14 has an ILS Approach

Palmtree Pilot
11-08-2018, 12:04 PM
CYHZ 070912Z 23011G18KT 8SM -RA BR SCT005 BKN012 OVC049 14/14 A2967 RMK SF4SC2SC2 SLP050 DENSITY ALT 800FT=
CYHZ 070900Z 23013KT 7SM -RA BR BKN005 OVC013 14/14 A2967 RMK SF5SC3 SLP050 DENSITY ALT 800FT



ILS RWY 23 NOTAMED U/S

A3279/18 NOTAMN
Q) CZQM/QFFAS/IV/NBO/A /000/999/4452N06330W005
A) CYHZ B) 1811070940 C) 1811080000
E) FIRE AND RESCUE OUT OF SERVICE
CYHZ ILS 23 U/S
1811062155-1811082100

RWY 14 has an ILS Approach

They landed on the 7th at 0905 correct? I don't see any notams saying it was out of service prior to the accident.

Riverside
11-08-2018, 12:09 PM
They landed on the 7th at 0905 correct? I don't see any notams saying it was out of service prior to the accident.

Really? You have the article and the notam in front of you.

Palmtree Pilot
11-08-2018, 12:17 PM
Really? You have the article and the notam in front of you.

Just going off of what I've read on Avherald Accident: Skylease Cargo B744 at Halifax on Nov 7th 2018, overran runway on landing (http://avherald.com/h?article=4bff5d1e&opt=0) and JACDEC 2018-11-07 Sky Lease Cargo B747-400F overrun at Halifax Airport Ľ JACDEC (http://www.jacdec.de/2018/11/07/2018-11-07-sky-lease-cargo-b747-400f-overrun-at-halifax-airport/)

orka
11-08-2018, 09:49 PM
There was an overrun in Hawaii?

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=214704

motorclutch
11-09-2018, 05:26 AM
Sounds like Centurion crews could use a refresher on the English language. It might help them in reading TAFS and NOTAMS.

captjns
11-09-2018, 05:38 AM
Sounds like Centurion crews could use a refresher on the English language. It might help them in reading TAFS and NOTAMS.

Just a note... METARS, nor TAFS, have no language barriers nor borders. Should have paid attention during recurrent training.

Rosebud10
11-09-2018, 07:30 PM
Itís unfortunate but the FAA needs to look at their Check Airman, understanding is certain ones spend too much time in the bunk room during line checks.
Check Airman and Managemnt keep coming and going and canít decide what company they want to work for.
And the sad part is the FAA doesnít seem to give a sh..

dera
11-10-2018, 12:42 AM
Sounds like Centurion crews could use a refresher on the English language. It might help them in reading TAFS and NOTAMS.

Given that a lot of METAR/TAF abbreviations are French, this comment is slightly humorous.

I mean, not sure how your command of the English language will help you decode BR in a METAR?

captjns
11-10-2018, 01:35 AM
The CVR wil be telling as to why the crew opted for the ILS to 14 versus the RNAV (GNSS) Z RWY 23 Approach to LNAV minimums.

Even lower with minimums with the RNP approach, provided they had Ops Specs authorization to conduct such approaches

JohnBurke
11-10-2018, 06:28 AM
It's generally expected that by the time one is piloting a 747 internationally, one can read a ****ing METAR.

https://business.desu.edu/sites/business/files/document/16/metar_and_taf_codes.pdf

PotatoChip
11-10-2018, 07:13 AM
Given that a lot of METAR/TAF abbreviations are French, this comment is slightly humorous.

I mean, not sure how your command of the English language will help you decode BR in a METAR?

Because BR stands for "baby rain". Is that not plain English enough for you?? :D:D

GeelErmo
11-10-2018, 07:27 AM
Because BR stands for "baby rain". Is that not plain English enough for you?? :D:D

BR-Mist
brouillard In franch:-))

Bigapplepilot
11-10-2018, 07:30 AM
They landed on 14 with the winds 230? Wouldn’t this be a direct crosswind rather than a tailwind?

RCAC
11-10-2018, 07:58 AM
The LPV and LNAV/VNAV minimums were NOTAM'd out, but the VNAV version of the RNAV approach to 23 was available, which would have allowed a landing on runway 23, a longer runway even with the first ~1800 ft displaced, plus the headwind vs a crosswind on runway 14. It has me triple-checking NOTAMs, which are very awkwardly written, especially the international format. There is a better way to present that information, especially with technology available today.

vroll1800
11-10-2018, 11:28 AM
They landed on 14 with the winds 230? Wouldnít this be a direct crosswind rather than a tailwind?

The second main paragraph in avherald link says tower reported winds on initial contact were 26014, 90 seconds later 26016G21, shortly prior to touchdown 25015G21. That works out to tailwind components of 5 to 11 knots on the landing runway throughout the approach. (7 kts, 8 kts gusts to 11 knots, 5 kts gusts to 7 kts, resp.)

Bigapplepilot
11-10-2018, 11:32 AM
The second main paragraph in avherald link says tower reported winds on initial contact were 26014, 90 seconds later 26016G21, shortly prior to touchdown 25015G21. That works out to tailwind components of 5 to 11 knots on the landing runway throughout the approach. (7 kts, 8 kts gusts to 11 knots, 5 kts gusts to 7 kts, resp.)

Thank you, didnít read the Avherald report.

PotatoChip
11-10-2018, 12:12 PM
BR-Mist
brouillard In franch:-))

Iím sorry your sarcasm detector was broken today.

dera
11-10-2018, 02:29 PM
BR-Mist
brouillard In franch:-))

I wouldn't lock that answer if I were you...

(try Brume next time :) )

dera
11-10-2018, 02:29 PM
Because BR stands for "baby rain". Is that not plain English enough for you?? :D:D

I hate when Al Roker says there's baby rain in the forecast!
:D

MySaabStory
11-10-2018, 03:26 PM
I wouldn't lock that answer if I were you...

(try Brume next time :) )

70/30 split.

Youíre right...but Iíll give him some credit since ďbrumeĒ origins are French. Ha!