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Radar2
07-22-2018, 01:12 PM
Would like to know what aircraft is most likely to be recieved after training. Planning on joing EDV anytime end of Summer 2018.
NYC base will be fine..

What do tou guys think on the outlook?
Thanks!


Mesabah
07-22-2018, 01:20 PM
Would like to know what aircraft is most likely to be recieved after training. Planning on joing EDV anytime end of Summer 2018.
NYC base will be fine..

What do tou guys think on the outlook?
Thanks!
If NYC is your base, it could be either or, probably 900 would be my guess since there are more.

wiggy15
07-22-2018, 04:35 PM
It's been about 65/35 recently favoring 900 slightly. That said, a few months ago it was almost all 900 and a few months before that was heavily favoring 200. It changes often.
Seniority is last 4 of social with 9999 being most senior in a class. So higher your last 4 is greater chance you'll get your preference.


DragonFlyer14
07-22-2018, 05:22 PM
Are most of the trips out of NYC 3 and 4 day trips or are shorter 1 and 2 day trips also available? How about trip lengths out of ATL?

teddy3412
07-22-2018, 06:10 PM
Are most of the trips out of NYC 3 and 4 day trips or are shorter 1 and 2 day trips also available? How about trip lengths out of ATL?

They vary. We have everything from 1 to 5 day trips. You have to be pretty senior to get 1 day trips. Same thing with 2 days there tends to not be very many. Most trips are 4 and 5 days. I don't know about atl. Someone else can chime in on that one.

flydiamond
07-22-2018, 07:45 PM
Are most of the trips out of NYC 3 and 4 day trips or are shorter 1 and 2 day trips also available? How about trip lengths out of ATL?

this info is published in the bid pack. 4 day trips rule everywhere but NYC has far more 5 day trips as a percent of total trips than any other base including Atl. Nyc also has more 3 day trips as a percent than ATL. 5 day trips are popular in NYC because they are fully commutable.

The shorter the trip the more productive hence why they go senior (allows people to get 18 -19 days off). 1 day trips tend to credit 6-7 hours, 2 days 13 hours, 3 days 18, 4 days 20-23, 5 days 25-26 at least on the 900.

Avroman
07-25-2018, 06:01 PM
this info is published in the bid pack. 4 day trips rule everywhere but NYC has far more 5 day trips as a percent of total trips than any other base including Atl. Nyc also has more 3 day trips as a percent than ATL. 5 day trips are popular in NYC because they are fully commutable.

The shorter the trip the more productive hence why they go senior (allows people to get 18 -19 days off). 1 day trips tend to credit 6-7 hours, 2 days 13 hours, 3 days 18, 4 days 20-23, 5 days 25-26 at least on the 900.

In theory. This depends on where you are commuting from and the level of debacle NYC is operating in that day.

flydiamond
07-25-2018, 06:04 PM
In theory. This depends on where you are commuting from and the level of debacle NYC is operating in that day.

Yea. Itís been a struggle. Have noticed a lot more 6:40 releases on the last day as of late...

JoeDeertay
12-09-2018, 07:06 AM
So what are the differences in the airplanes themselves... What is different on a 900 to a 200? Equipment? Comfort? Route length?

I will have to bid for equipment soon and I have no idea anything other than the reserve is likely longer for a 900. Help is appreciated.

flydiamond
12-09-2018, 07:18 AM
So what are the differences in the airplanes themselves... What is different on a 900 to a 200? Equipment? Comfort? Route length?

I will have to bid for equipment soon and I have no idea anything other than the reserve is likely longer for a 900. Help is appreciated.

900 has longer routes, lineholders get more days off, and may be perceived as more comfortable due to snacks and first class meals and such. Also fewer operational issues such as inop apu. Also a bigger variety of flying especially out of nyc... always seeing new overnights.

900 has shorter reserve in nyc on fo side at this moment in time as as measured by the December awards. 200 pilots are mostly seatlocked so there will not be much movement on that airframe for the next 6-12 months, at which point most of those pilots will leave for the 900 or upgrade.

200 is the better option to get to DTW or ATL a bit sooner, and hold a line there. Almost a year and a half to a line in ATL 900 fo...

Swagship
12-09-2018, 08:28 AM
200 guys tell themselves theyíre real pilots because they push 4 bleed buttons and have fewer days off.

(Lobbing that one and running)

vessbot
12-09-2018, 08:56 AM
200 guys tell themselves theyíre real pilots because they push 4 bleed buttons and have fewer days off.

(Lobbing that one and running)

The 200 makes real real pilots because there's only an FMS on the left side, so the FO can only fly in green needles.

amcnd
12-09-2018, 09:55 AM
The 200 makes real real pilots because there's only an FMS on the left side, so the FO can only fly in green needles.

What! You donít have 2 FMSís??. Hmmm guess they wonít be around for ADSB...

KSCessnaDriver
12-09-2018, 10:27 AM
What! You donít have 2 FMSís??. Hmmm guess they wonít be around for ADSB...

Oh boy, here we go...

amcnd
12-09-2018, 10:45 AM
Oh boy, here we go...

Not saying thats a sign.. are they adding ADSB transponders and a dual FMS set up?? I know some airlines already have started that process..

KSCessnaDriver
12-09-2018, 10:59 AM
Not saying thats a sign.. are they adding ADSB transponders and a dual FMS set up?? I know some airlines already have started that process..

We have ADSB on a number of 200s, no 2nd FMS required

ninerdriver
12-09-2018, 11:51 AM
What! You donít have 2 FMSís??. Hmmm guess they wonít be around for ADSB...

The mandatory part of ADS-B is a transponder thing, not a flight management thing.

amcnd
12-09-2018, 12:30 PM
Correct. I just talked to our tech guy. We went with 2 FMS do to dispatching reliability... no more Green needle back up.. so FMS inop would be a no go item..unless you have 2..

KSCessnaDriver
12-09-2018, 12:40 PM
Correct. I just talked to our tech guy. We went with 2 FMS do to dispatching reliability... no more Green needle back up.. so FMS inop would be a no go item..unless you have 2..

So you have no MEL to defer ADS-B? More weight needs the front of a 200, just what the world needs.

SlamClicker
12-09-2018, 01:00 PM
So you have no MEL to defer ADS-B? More weight needs the front of a 200, just what the world needs.

My understanding is that an INOP FMS will be a no go item on the 200 when ADSB takes effect. I was under the impression that ADSB was disabled on the handful of 200 equipped birds - but it was active last week and in the dispatch remarks.

On the 900 vs 200 real pilots argument - sounds just like the 340 vs AVRO argument. But I will say itís easier to fly the 900 if you learned on the 200 - the same cannot be said on the going to the 200 from the 900.

KSCessnaDriver
12-09-2018, 04:56 PM
My understanding is that an INOP FMS will be a no go item on the 200 when ADSB takes effect. I was under the impression that ADSB was disabled on the handful of 200 equipped birds - but it was active last week and in the dispatch remarks.

On the 900 vs 200 real pilots argument - sounds just like the 340 vs AVRO argument. But I will say itís easier to fly the 900 if you learned on the 200 - the same cannot be said on the going to the 200 from the 900.

Is a transponder a no-go item now? I'm sure like everything, it will be deferable. It is, not disabled on the 200's that I've been in recently. I would guess, just from what I've seen, that we have at least 5 200's with active ADS-B, but I have no firm numbers on that.

JoeDeertay
12-09-2018, 05:39 PM
900 has longer routes, lineholders get more days off, and may be perceived as more comfortable due to snacks and first class meals and such. Also fewer operational issues such as inop apu. Also a bigger variety of flying especially out of nyc... always seeing new overnights.

900 has shorter reserve in nyc on fo side at this moment in time as as measured by the December awards. 200 pilots are mostly seatlocked so there will not be much movement on that airframe for the next 6-12 months, at which point most of those pilots will leave for the 900 or upgrade.

200 is the better option to get to DTW or ATL a bit sooner, and hold a line there. Almost a year and a half to a line in ATL 900 fo...

Sure didn't take long for the topic to drift back off again after your reply.. I do appreciate all input though, even sarcasm has some truth (one FMS...).

Baradium
12-09-2018, 07:13 PM
Is a transponder a no-go item now? I'm sure like everything, it will be deferable. It is, not disabled on the 200's that I've been in recently. I would guess, just from what I've seen, that we have at least 5 200's with active ADS-B, but I have no firm numbers on that.

One transponder is deferrable, but not both...

KSCessnaDriver
12-10-2018, 05:47 AM
One transponder is deferrable, but not both...

That's not what the MEL says... 2 installed, 0 required

Bartok
12-10-2018, 06:38 AM
Like comparing an eagle to a lawn dart!

ninerdriver
12-10-2018, 07:45 AM
That's not what the MEL says... 2 installed, 0 required

I'm totally trying that at LaGuardia tomorrow...

Baradium
12-10-2018, 12:00 PM
That's not what the MEL says... 2 installed, 0 required

Is there a note that says "unless otherwise required by the flight being operated" or similar?

IAFDOF
12-14-2018, 04:54 PM
What! You donít have 2 FMSís??. Hmmm guess they wonít be around for ADSB...

We already have ADS-B on the 200, you silly goose.

Donít bid equipment. Bid lifestyle.

Iíve held a line and had excellent QOL in my chosen base solely because I fly the 200. I donít marry my ego to the length of my jet. That said, a 900 may be better for you, it all depends what youíre looking for!

theUpsideDown
12-14-2018, 05:08 PM
We already have ADS-B on the 200, you silly goose.

Donít bid equipment. Bid lifestyle.

Iíve held a line and had excellent QOL in my chosen base solely because I fly the 200. I donít marry my ego to the length of my jet. That said, a 900 may be better for you, it all depends what youíre looking for!

900 was quicker way to a line and more days off than the 200 for a long time. Was recently again before the slow down.

YMMV

IAFDOF
12-14-2018, 05:45 PM
900 was quicker way to a line and more days off than the 200 for a long time. Was recently again before the slow down.

YMMV

Aren’t the 900 guys having serious trouble consolidating now? Or is that both types? I’d heard reserves are never getting called because we’re fat on pilots, particularly on the 900...

theUpsideDown
12-14-2018, 05:58 PM
Arenít the 900 guys having serious trouble consolidating now? Or is that both types? Iíd heard reserves are never getting called because weíre fat on pilots, particularly on the 900...

Depends what you call recent. That's going on now, I don't really think of that as history. Only thing understaffed or rightly staffed depending your perspective is 200ATL last time i did any checking.

Whats going on now is stagnation, no movement off the top and no hiring, thats both planes (although someone here is going to argue they know a guy or are the guy blah blah blah). Less than a year ago youll find posts saying the 900 is the fastest way to the upgrade and to a line backed up by schedules and junior lineholder domicile and aircraft dependent.

RJdriver89
12-14-2018, 07:44 PM
I made a killing on the 200 this year. Between being bought off for OE and 200% premium pay I came in at 650 block and just under 1300 credit for the year. For the past few months I have also held more days off on my award than comparable seniority 900 pilots.

You guys can have your long legs and meals every once and a while. To each their own.

flydiamond
12-15-2018, 04:31 AM
I made a killing on the 200 this year. Between being bought off for OE and 200% premium pay I came in at 650 block and just under 1300 credit for the year. For the past few months I have also held more days off on my award than comparable seniority 900 pilots.

You guys can have your long legs and meals every once and a while. To each their own.

Congrats but your experience will be different than someone starting tomorrow’s experience (ignoring stagnation). Everything is always very cyclical...sounds like you got in on the front end of the 200 training bubble.

flydiamond
12-15-2018, 04:40 AM
Arenít the 900 guys having serious trouble consolidating now? Or is that both types? Iíd heard reserves are never getting called because weíre fat on pilots, particularly on the 900...

Most recent consolidation issue was on the 200. Shortage of check airmen meant guys and gals completed their LOE but had to wait 2 or so months for IOE during which time the consolidation clock was ticking. That combined with lower block times on the 200 created a problem for a few people. I think the backlog has been cleared and Reserve utilization has actually been decent lately considering the weather has been pretty favorable. Many of the guys saying they havenít been called in 5 weeks actually bid last out or no preference, which is the same as last out.

notmpet
12-15-2018, 06:19 AM
What's the difference between the 200 and 900? Ever seen kindergarten cop? "200 pilots have a penis, 900 pilots have a vagina." Or some such thing.

SlamClicker
12-15-2018, 08:09 AM
What's the difference between the 200 and 900? Ever seen kindergarten cop? "200 pilots have a penis, 900 pilots have a vagina." Or some such thing.

I still handfly for the original mpet
#handflyformpet

JulesWinfield
12-15-2018, 04:43 PM
What's the difference between the 200 and 900? Ever seen kindergarten cop? "200 pilots have a penis, 900 pilots have a vagina." Or some such thing.

It's not a Tooooomaaa!

notmpet
12-15-2018, 06:39 PM
I still handfly for the original mpet
#handflyformpet

#freempet apc couldn't handle the cpz bantz

Bartok
12-15-2018, 07:21 PM
What's the difference between the 200 and 900? Ever seen kindergarten cop? "200 pilots have a penis, 900 pilots have a vagina." Or some such thing.

All depends on what you like to have on your overnights......

ninerdriver
12-16-2018, 03:34 AM
#freempet apc couldn't handle the cpz bantz

Free mpet sounds scary. He definitely deserves a bigger cage, though.

IAFDOF
12-16-2018, 08:11 AM
I made a killing on the 200 this year. Between being bought off for OE and 200% premium pay I came in at 650 block and just under 1300 credit for the year. For the past few months I have also held more days off on my award than comparable seniority 900 pilots.

You guys can have your long legs and meals every once and a while. To each their own.

I did well for myself on the 200, too; I'd never have had that opportunity on the 900. That said, it's all about luck, so it's possible that wouldn't be true for someone hired today.

I think the point here is do your research, but don't feel like the 900 is always a better option just because it's bigger or there are more of them. There are a lot more factors at play. In reality, it's the same seat and the same pay for a year anyway; I think you'd be quite happy on either one.

Hawk739
01-10-2019, 01:05 PM
I would go 900 NYC, is it 1 year reserve still?

quitty123456789
01-10-2019, 02:19 PM
For NYC, the most senior guy in the new hire class in July 2018 just got a line for this month.

flydiamond
01-10-2019, 02:34 PM
For NYC, the most senior guy in the new hire class in July 2018 just got a line for this month.

I believe itís May 2018 for the 200. So 900 is more junior in nyc as measured by this one variable at this moment. More senior when measured by other variables...

Avroman
01-10-2019, 04:37 PM
Monthly bid packs come out tomorrow, Feb schedule a week later. Check back on the 18th for the most up to date info.

Hawk739
01-10-2019, 05:08 PM
Ok thanks, so hypothetically if I get a CJO for late 2019 I should expect to hold a line in about 9-10 months more or less at NYC after hired and upgrade to CA in about 2-3 years?

seminolepilot
01-10-2019, 05:37 PM
Ok thanks, so hypothetically if I get a CJO for late 2019 I should expect to hold a line in about 9-10 months more or less at NYC after hired and upgrade to CA in about 2-3 years?

That could change. IF we have some kind of growth thatís being rumored you could hold a line in 3 months and end up having a quick upgrade. It can change so fast that itís hard to predict.

flydiamond
01-10-2019, 05:39 PM
That could change. IF we have some kind of growth thatís being rumored you could hold a line in 3 months and end up having a quick upgrade. It can change so fast that itís hard to predict.

Impossible to forecast this type of stuff that far out. 175 could be the junior aircraft by then for all we know

Hawk739
01-10-2019, 05:50 PM
Yeah I guess Iíll have to wait and see how things change