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K4ALPA
07-24-2018, 10:22 PM
The following is the latest information about current working conditions and employment potential at Kalitta Air Ė aka ďK4Ē and although not from is approved by the CKS 140 Master Executive Council. This message will be updated and re-posted to this thread on or about the first of each month.



About Kalitta Air

Kalitta Air Pilots are represented by the Airline Pilots Association
CBA: A new contract was signed in December of 2016 and becomes amendable in December 2020
Current Company/Union relationship: Productive

Current Fleet: 20 B747-400ís and is a mix of BCFís (Boeing Converted Freighter) and Fís/ERFís (Factory Freighter) and 6 B767-300ERís Ė The general understanding of the short term fleet goals is 25-30 B747ís and 10 B767ís. There are currently 470 pilots on the seniority list. Interviewing and hiring into both fleets are ongoing Ė classes of 16 start every 3 to 4 weeks.

747 Flights: The 747 has multiple daily departures and arrivals out of Cincinnati, Los Angeles, Chicago, Honolulu, Anchorage, Leipzig, Brussels, New Delhi, New York, Hong Kong, Incheon and Istanbul - other common layover cities are Amsterdam, Landstuhl Germany, Tel Aviv, Kuwait, Bahrain, Dubai, Pattaya Thailand, Hiroshima, Nagoya, Narita, Shanghai, Santiago, Wuhan - and really anywhere in the world is possible.

767 Flights: The 767's operate only in the DHL network out of CVG and layover in Atlanta, Chicago, Minneapolis, Laredo, San Antonio and Seattle.

Schedules: The schedules are on a monthly basis and are 16 days on and 14 or 15 off. The schedule is largely planned to be a continuous 16 day rotation but scheduling is good about moving days around if you need it. Travel starts generally in the afternoon/evening of your last day off and you will be home on your last day on by 2359z.

Bases: We are home based, meaning the company buys a full fare ticket to get you to wherever your line starts and back home when it's done - domestic travel is in coach - International travel is business or first class. Generally, lines start in CVG, LAX, JFK, ANC, ORD and a few others during November and December.

Pay: First year FO pay is $106/hr - the guarantee is 64hrs however we are very busy and you will average above 85 hrs pay per month and much more if you work on some days off which are paid at 150% - per diem is about $1200/month - with no days off flying a new hire can expect to make more than 100k the first year.

Crew Composition: The B747ís generally operate as a Standard crew consisting of 1 Captain and 2 FOís. For longer flights, a Double will be assigned consisting of 4 pilots (1 or 2 Captains, and 2 or 3 FOs). Very rarely you will operate as a Basic Crew consisting of 1 Captain and 1 FO. The B767ís are operated as a standard crew of 1 Captain and 1 FO.

Hiring Candidate Requirements:
∑ 2500+ hours of total time minimum.
∑ If Military: >1000 hrs. Total Time. Turbine and PIC are flexible.
∑ 1500 turbine (jet) flight time min.
∑ 500 PIC turbine (jet) flight time min.


Application and Interview
Apply at kalittaair.com and choose ďPilot RecruitmentĒ from the ďPilot TrainingĒ drop down menu
To update your application send an email to [email protected]
The first contact is a call from the Assistant Chief Pilot for a phone interview.
If invited for an interview the candidate will need to travel to Detroit at their expense for a one day interview consisting of 2 computer tests (cog/personality) and a panel interview. A Hotel room will be provided the night before the interview. The hotel van provides transportation to and from DTW the YIP training center and the Holiday Inn located in Belleville.

Training
Training consists of Indoc, CBT (Computer Based Training), FTD (Flight Training Device), Simulator and IOE. Initial Training takes 5 weeks and then you will be in the queue for IOE. Training pay is $600/wk plus hotel and per diem. Flight pay starts on 1st day of IOE or familiarization flight (usually within a month of completing initial training) so about 2 months total on training pay.
It will be a challenge for just about everyone, but if you are willing to put in the work, the instructors will get you through it. Expect to be flying a plane youíve never flown out of locations youíve never seen, using procedures youíve never used while being graded on it. Most of it is self-guided and will require you to study with your class.

Frequently Asked Questions

I donít have any jet/heavy time, can I apply?
Yes, you can still apply. We have quite a few pilots that came from a turboprop background.

Can they keep you out longer than your 16 days?
No, you are only required to work 16 days. They cannot force you to stay out. If for some reason beyond the companiesí control (weather) they cannot get you home by 2359Z they owe you 6 hours of pay per day or a comp day for keeping you out.

Can you be stuck on a back to back rotation?
Itís possible, but not likely. Most of the people that do back to back rotations are because they chose to, so they could change their schedule around to be home for a personal commitment. Very rarely will you get stuck with it because you did not have the seniority to hold the same schedule. If that happens, you can call scheduling, and they will usually try to help you out.

Whatís a split line, and can I work less than 16 days in a row?
A split line is a line that does not have 16 days in a row during any calendar month. In general they would be 5-6 days at the beginning, and 10-11 days at the end. This does not mean you will be on the road any shorter, it just means that you will get the middle of the month off vs the beginning or end. If you work 10 at the end of March, and 6 at the beginning of April you are still on the road 16 days in a row. There are very few opportunities to work in small chunks, so if you donít like the idea of being out for 16 in a row, you will not like Kalitta.

Will I be sitting reserve for a long time before getting a line?
Things donít work like that at Kalitta. There arenít many pure reserve lines. Being assigned a line doesnít really mean you will actually fly those trips, so bid the time off that you want. You probably wonít fly the entire month with the crew you were assigned to either.

What type of flying will I be doing as a junior guy vs a senior guy?
The exact same thing. It doesnít matter if youíre the number 1 guy, or the last, you most likely will not fly the line that you bid. You will however get the schedule you want based on seniority. There are also some lines that have a higher guarantee, so you will be paid what the line awards even if you donít fly it.

How many hours do you fly per month?
Most people fly around 800 or so hours a year, but you will end up getting around 80-90 per month pay credit because of dead heads and reserve days.

How much Deadheading do you do, and in what class?
Lately thereís been a lot more of it, but in general you will deadhead about once or twice in addition to your initial positioning and going home. We get business class or better on international deadheads over 3 hours. Everything else is coach. Alaska and Hawaii are considered international.

What is the quality of the Hotels?
In general they are decent. In the US expect a lot of Holiday Inn, Double Tree, and Courtyards. In Asia and the Mideast they are outstanding with things like the Oakwood, Shangri-La, and the Millennium. In Europe they tend to be the Penta, and Radisson.

Do I have to sit around in the hotel on Reserve?
No. There are several types of Reserve, but the most common is R2. It means you have to check in with scheduling within an hour, and depart for duty in 2 hours. That basically means you have 2 hours to get into uniform and check out of the hotel. That leaves plenty of room to go out and enjoy the cities that you visit.

How long are you in each location?
You are required to have between 11-18 hours of rest depending on how long the day was, however min rest days are fairly rare. We are usually in any given location for about 24 hours, and there is a required day off each week.

Does Kalitta feed you on the flights?
Yes, the 747 is catered almost everywhere we go. There is a full galley, and ample time to eat. The 767 on the other hand is not catered due to the flight segments being short and the hub turn in CVG where food is available.

What is the Max Duty Day?
24 hours on a Double Crew Ė 17 hours on a Standard Crew and 14 hours on a Basic Crew.

Sick leave/Vacation
Vacation: 14 days per year until year 5 then 21 days per year.
Sick: 7 days immediately in the bank, and after the first year it accrues at .67 days/month

Uniforms?
The official uniform is from Crew Outfitters. You will be sized and purchase it at Initial training. On your anniversary you will get $250 from the company for ďuniform maintenanceĒ.

What bag should I buy, and how do you guys pack for 16+ days?
People use anything from Luggage Works to Costco bags, so itís really up to you. You will not be jumpseating to work, so if you want to check a bag you can. Most of the people pack for 10 days, and do laundry once on each rotation. There are places to do laundry at 75%+ of our hotels.

Upgrade Times
The DOH for the most junior pilot holding a 747 Captain bid is September of 2016, and March of 2017 for 767 Captain. There will be another 747 Captain bid out early next year.

Is there a seat lock?
There is a 2 year equipment lock when youíre assigned a plane, but you can bid up to Captain before that 2 years is over. Once awarded a bid, you are seat locked for 2 years.

How does Overtime work?
You have to work 16 days per month. If you chose to work 1 extra day, you will be paid 1.5X your hours flown, and 4 hours minimum for not flying (whichever is greater). Example: I flew 10 hours on a day off, so I get paid 15 hours of pay. I then had a down day and flew another 10 hours on my time off. I get paid 4 hours for my down day, and 15 hours for the last flight. Total: 34 hours of pay for 3 days of overtime.

Miles for travel or Zed fares?
No Zed fares, or benefits for family travel. You will however get miles, and stays at most hotels.

Medical Benefits?
We enjoy one of the best Cadillac health care plans in the industry which is as good as or better than any major airline today. Medical benefits start after 90 days. Medical is currently $75 single and $150 family per pay period. Each year it goes up $25.

401K
You can sign up after 90 days, and itís 5% matching up to $10,000 per year. The vesting is based on the number of years youíve been at the company. <1 year 0%, 1 year 20%, 2 years 40%, 3 years 60%, 4 years 80%, and 5 years 100%

Is there a lot of attrition?
No, there is very little attrition. 1-2 FOs every couple months tend to leave for the legacies. Very few of the captains leave for anything other than retirement.

Do you fly for Amazon?
No.

Can I live outside of the US and fly for Kalitta?
Yes! We have quite a few crew members that live outside of the US. The catch is that the company will only buy you a ticket to the plane from an airport in the US, so you will have to find your own way to your chosen US airport. Scheduling will work with you though if you happen to live by a very common location that we fly to (Leipzig, Hong Kong, etc).

What does the 767 do?
For now, it does not have an ETOPS certification, so the 76 does domestic flying for DHL.

What are the bases at Kalitta?
YIP is the only base. The company will fly you to and from the plane wherever it is, but you will have to find your own way to YIP for training.

Who is Kalitta Charters, K2, K4 etc?
Kalitta Air (K4) is 747s and 767s. Itís run by Connie and is one you clicked on.
Kalitta Charters is a completely different company run by Doug Kalitta and is small stuff like learjets.
Kalitta Charters 2 (K2) is also run by Doug, but flies 737s and 727s.

I want to jumpseat on Kalitta. How do I do it?
Call Ops. The number is listed on the website, and they will be able to give you the schedule and list you on the flight.


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Locke
07-25-2018, 12:22 PM
Great info. Thanks for compiling all of that.

MoarAlpha
07-25-2018, 07:32 PM
Fantastic info! Thanks!


Lockheed
07-25-2018, 09:18 PM
This looks good
Should be a great resource for newbies and wanabies

jetlagging
07-26-2018, 12:56 PM
[FONT=Verdana]The following is the latest information about current working conditions and employment potential at Kalitta Air – aka “K4” and although not from is approved by the CKS 140 Master Executive Council. This message will be updated and re-posted to this thread on or about the first of each month.


[SIZE=4]
About Kalitta Air

Frequently Asked Questions

Do you fly for Amazon?
No.



That sounds pretty good right there.

Duke95
07-26-2018, 12:58 PM
Thank you for the information! It answer's all the right questions. I am definitely looking forward to applying and hopefully working for Kalitta when I get out of the military in 2 years! :)

jungle driver
07-26-2018, 03:10 PM
Hiring Candidate Requirements:
∑ 2500+ hours of total time minimum.
∑ If Military: >1000 hrs. Total Time. Turbine and PIC are flexible.
∑ 1500 turbine (jet) flight time min.
∑ 500 PIC turbine (jet) flight time min.



so just to clarify is the turbine and PIC only flexible if you at military or is it just flexible in general? I meet all the requirements except I'm a little light on PIC time.

Locke
07-26-2018, 04:12 PM
so just to clarify is the turbine and PIC only flexible if you at military or is it just flexible in general? I meet all the requirements except I'm a little light on PIC time.

In the past we picked up some people with very little PIC. Just apply, and throw in regular updates.

brasiliae120
07-27-2018, 09:21 AM
Any downloadable file available for the current contract?
Thanks

brasiliae120
07-27-2018, 09:27 AM
What do bid packages look like, and do you bid monthly or 28 day schedules? What cities are considered "home bases" ,i.e criteria such as size, amount of scheduled service, or particular air carriers.

Locke
07-27-2018, 09:59 AM
What do bid packages look like, and do you bid monthly or 28 day schedules? What cities are considered "home bases" ,i.e criteria such as size, amount of scheduled service, or particular air carriers.

Itís based on calendar month with the exception of Jan Feb and March. Those are all 30s to make up for Febís shortcomings.

Stimpy the Kat
07-27-2018, 11:39 AM
Why would you respond to an obvious troll / idiot that just re-asked the SAME questions answered on the previous thread a thousand times over AND THAT ARE NOW clearly outlined in this thread?

Maybe you are searching for the elusive "Tridiot" ?

Perhaps you have found him !

:)

brasiliae120
07-27-2018, 01:18 PM
Itís based on calendar month with the exception of Jan Feb and March. Those are all 30s to make up for Febís shortcomings.

Thanks for letting me know. I keep seeing conflicting information, and of course without having access to your CBA, I wasn't sure what was correct. Kalitta is having a couple of preferential hiring events coming up for XJT, one in ATL on August 7th, and a bullet point on Kalitta was provided. Since there are some differences on the outline, l was asking for clarification. I'm familiar with the 2007 agreement, but haven't seen the 2016 agreement.
Thanks again

brasiliae120
07-27-2018, 01:34 PM
Have all pilots now become ALPA members, or what percentage have joined to date? When will the interim officers hold elections for MEC offices?

atpcliff
07-27-2018, 01:40 PM
K4ALPA:

Great idea! Good format for explaining Kalitta. Thanx for helping those out who are interested.

Lockheed
07-27-2018, 02:07 PM
Have all pilots now become ALPA members, or what percentage have joined to date? When will the interim officers hold elections for MEC offices?

all K4 pilots are ALPA
other than 2-3 holdouts
A new permanent MEC has been elected

maxjet
07-28-2018, 03:18 AM
Why would you respond to an obvious troll / idiot that just re-asked the SAME questions answered on the previous thread a thousand times over AND THAT ARE NOW clearly outlined in this thread?

Maybe you are searching for the elusive "Tridiot" ?

Perhaps you have found him !

:)

At first glance Mark, I would agree with you. Please re-read his questions. They are legit and actually good questions. I fly out of GNV. That is only my home base because there is commercial flight out of there. If there were not I would have to go to MCO,TPA, or JAX.
His other questions were just as valid.

Firefly899
07-28-2018, 04:40 AM
At first glance Mark, I would agree with you. Please re-read his questions. They are legit and actually good questions. I fly out of GNV. That is only my home base because there is commercial flight out of there. If there were not I would have to go to MCO,TPA, or JAX.
His other questions were just as valid.

Go Gators!!!!

Firefly899
07-28-2018, 05:16 AM
Tried looking thru old thread to learn about examples of hotels. Can anyone share some of the international hotels K4 stays in. I start class soon, truly cant wait!!!!


Thanks in advance,

TeamSasquatch
07-28-2018, 12:01 PM
What is competitive for civilian hiring today? What do you see in the new hire classes for backgrounds and experience?

Is it worth getting 1000hrs Beech 1900 single pilot PIC time and then going to a regional and getting all SIC time and approx 3500hrs? Does it take more total time?

Does it take 121 regional PIC time?

The feeder cargo Iím flying currently seems to work well for my family and I. But, not sure it weighs in much at the next level. Trying to set myself up for down the road. Thanks for the input.

Locke
07-28-2018, 07:53 PM
Tried looking thru old thread to learn about examples of hotels. Can anyone share some of the international hotels K4 stays in. I start class soon, truly cant wait!!!!


Thanks in advance,

Um.... please read the whopping 2 pages of this thread and youíll find that most of youíre questions are answered

What is the quality of the Hotels?
In general they are decent. In the US expect a lot of Holiday Inn, Double Tree, and Courtyards. In Asia and the Mideast they are outstanding with things like the Oakwood, Shangri-La, and the Millennium. In Europe they tend to be the Penta, and Radisson.

Lockheed
07-28-2018, 07:56 PM
Tried looking thru old thread to learn about examples of hotels. Can anyone share some of the international hotels K4 stays in. I start class soon, truly cant wait!!!!


Thanks in advance,

well....i'm in this hotel now

Hotel in Hong Kong - Luxury 5 Star | Kowloon Shangri-La (http://www.shangri-la.com/hongkong/kowloonshangrila/)

welcome aboard

brasiliae120
07-29-2018, 02:25 AM
well....i'm in this hotel now

Hotel in Hong Kong - Luxury 5 Star | Kowloon Shangri-La (http://www.shangri-la.com/hongkong/kowloonshangrila/)

welcome aboard

How do you afford to eat there when a tray of nuts are $37, LOL. Seriously, what's your current per diem and what's it going to by the end of the contract?

brasiliae120
07-29-2018, 02:49 AM
all K4 pilots are ALPA
other than 2-3 holdouts
A new permanent MEC has been elected

I assume your single council is in YIP, does your MEC have an ALPA office there? How are your LEC meetings held, and where? Since everyone is home based, I'm curious on the logistics of how this works. I assume that few, if any pilots are in domicile.
Thanks for your input.

GraceMonth
07-29-2018, 03:30 AM
Do you get assigned aircraft type in class or are you hired in on the fleet for which you apply?

No Land 3
07-29-2018, 04:24 AM
How do you afford to eat there when a tray of nuts are $37, LOL. Seriously, what's your current per diem and what's it going to by the end of the contract?

I suppose you've never seen their breakfast buffet that is included, that is, if you didn't stuff yourself of catering on the airplane, or perhaps you'd rather walk outside and visit one of the thousands of places to eat in Hong Kong. I spend a tiny fraction with this job from when I was at a regional, and what I do spend is 100% towards myself, not what's required to do my job.

No Land 3
07-29-2018, 04:27 AM
I assume your single council is in YIP, does your MEC have an ALPA office there? How are your LEC meetings held, and where? Since everyone is home based, I'm curious on the logistics of how this works. I assume that few, if any pilots are in domicile.
Thanks for your input.

We have no LEC, just a MEC. Everyone knows everyone pretty much on a first name basis.

Firefly899
07-29-2018, 05:03 AM
Do you get assigned aircraft type in class or are you hired in on the fleet for which you apply?

When I applied it was general FO position. After interview process was offered a class in the 747 but obviously they offer the 767. It appears now you apply into type. Dont know if that helps ya.

GraceMonth
07-29-2018, 06:20 AM
When I applied it was general FO position. After interview process was offered a class in the 747 but obviously they offer the 767. It appears now you apply into type. Dont know if that helps ya.

Yep, thanks!

Geezer
07-29-2018, 07:17 AM
Um.... please read the whopping 2 pages of this thread and youíll find that most of youíre questions are answered

What is the quality of the Hotels?
In general they are decent. In the US expect a lot of Holiday Inn, Double Tree, and Courtyards. In Asia and the Mideast they are outstanding with things like the Oakwood, Shangri-La, and the Millennium. In Europe they tend to be the Penta, and Radisson.

Just a short list of hotels ranked in nno particular order:

https://www.reservations.com/hotel/quality-inn-mcguire-afb?rmcid=rcc2&msclkid=b9dd47c5dfe3190b239b1c9807f2f0f9

La Quinta Inn & Suites Cincinnati Airport Florence near Florence Mall (http://www.laquintaflorencecvgairport.com/)

Camp Inn Lodge | Hotel/Motel Lodging | Oscoda Township, MI (http://www.campinnlodge.com/)

https://www.yelp.com/biz/crowne-plaza-seattle-airport-seattle-8?adjust_creative=dWJMtmYxpd5N5yoyzSuhtA&utm_campaign=yelp_api&utm_medium=api_v2_business&utm_source=dWJMtmYxpd5N5yoyzSuhtA

:: WORLDHOTEL :: (http://www.worldhotel21.com/english/01_01.php)

Air Force Inns (http://af.dodlodging.net/propertys/Misawa-AB-Japan)

Air Force Inns (http://af.dodlodging.net/propertys/Yokota-AB)

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g187067-d193453-Reviews-Travelodge_Doncaster_Hotel-Doncaster_South_Yorkshire_England.html

Locke
07-29-2018, 07:19 AM
How do you afford to eat there when a tray of nuts are $37, LOL. Seriously, what's your current per diem and what's it going to by the end of the contract?

Domestic $48 International $69.60. The easy fix? Donít eat at hotels or airports unless necessary. If you want to be cheap, thereís tons of places we go to eat like a pauper. You may be shunned by your crew though.

Locke
07-29-2018, 08:42 AM
Geezer please stop spamming.

gollum
07-29-2018, 08:43 AM
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/france-travel-advisory.html

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/germany-travel-advisory.html

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/united-kingdom-travel-advisory.html

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/italy-travel-advisory.html

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/jordan-travel-advisory.html

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/kenya-travel-advisory.html

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/india-travel-advisory.html

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/brazil-travel-advisory.html

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/china-travel-advisory.html

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/belgium-travel-advisory.html

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/turkey-travel-advisory.html

Man you are a bitter one.

If you work at K4 and hate it so much, why not leave and go somewhere else?

If you donít work here, then why bother yourself by getting involved?

Geezer
07-29-2018, 09:13 AM
Geezer please stop spamming.

State Department Travel Advisories are not spam.
This is the information available to help travelers make informed decisions. Pilots are travelers by definition.

The information from WebMD is very similar to the information in the FRM policy.

Geezer
07-29-2018, 09:37 AM
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/page/yellow-fever-information

Geezer
07-29-2018, 09:38 AM
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/notices

Firefly899
07-29-2018, 10:25 AM
Geezer, I appreciate you reminding me as to why I should not come on this forum. I apologize to all for asking a question!!!!!

Geezer
07-29-2018, 10:47 AM
Geezer, I appreciate you reminding me as to why I should not come on this forum. I apologize to all for asking a question!!!!!

What was the question again? Apology accepted.

Lockheed
07-29-2018, 10:49 AM
Geezer, I appreciate you reminding me as to why I should not come on this forum. I apologize to all for asking a question!!!!!

don't let this fool get you down
all questions are fine and will be answered by someone
all we ask is that before you ask - read the info on post #1

that original post will be reposted once each month with revisions
that way guys wont have to wade thru BS like in the last few pages

shroomwell
07-29-2018, 10:53 AM
Just a short list of hotels blah blah blahl[/URL]




You already infected and ruined the previous thread. So now you feel it is your duty to infect and ruin this one too? Thanks.

I won't see your reply as I've added you my ignore list. If anyone else wants to do the same, I suggest going to your own "user CP" at the top of the page, choose "edit ignore list," and add Geezer to it.

shroomwell
07-29-2018, 11:04 AM
Geezer (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/members/geezer.html) This message is hidden because Geezer is on your ignore list.
(https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/profile.php?do=ignorelist)

Firefly899
07-29-2018, 11:32 AM
don't let this fool get you down
all questions are fine and will be answered by someone
all we ask is that before you ask - read the info on post #1

that original post will be reposted once each month with revisions
that way guys wont have to wade thru BS like in the last few pages

Thanks for this. I am just an honest guy with a young family that I am trying to be my best for. I honestly feel bad for this lost soul. I did a search of all previous threads and didnt find what I was looking for. Will refine any further questions more specifically next time.

orka
07-29-2018, 03:10 PM
You already infected and ruined the previous thread. So now you feel it is your duty to infect and ruin this one too? Thanks.

I won't see your reply as I've added you my ignore list. If anyone else wants to do the same, I suggest going to your own "user CP" at the top of the page, choose "edit ignore list," and add Geezer to it.

Done! Thanks for the tip

Atlantic
07-29-2018, 05:01 PM
Idiot. Listing SSI (Military) hotel info' for all to see.

guacamole
07-29-2018, 07:39 PM
Is San Juan PR a home airport? Ponce is probably out of the question.

Locke
07-29-2018, 07:48 PM
Is San Juan PR a home airport? Ponce is probably out of the question.

Nope. Our PR guys use Key West, and either get there on their own, or because of the cost comparison get the company to buy a ticket out of San Juan. Home bases are only in the lower 48, or ANC/HNL

sky jet
07-29-2018, 07:51 PM
Is it possible that Geezer is General Lee? Asking for a friend.:D

guacamole
07-29-2018, 08:07 PM
How often do you get to see races? Do you get Pit Passes or discounts to NHRA events?

guacamole
07-29-2018, 11:10 PM
I guess you guys must really rack up the hotel points. That must make it great for family vacations and stuff.

No Land 3
07-29-2018, 11:17 PM
I guess you guys must really rack up the hotel points. That must make it great for family vacations and stuff.

Lately the majority of my points are from Hilton properties. Hotel points are a bit of a hot topic at the moment. My true crowning achievement with travel has been gaining status with Delta and getting free upgrades. You'll gain a pretty good status with IHG hotels from initial training. We used to get a lot of IHG points while on the road.

guacamole
07-29-2018, 11:52 PM
Lately the majority of my points are from Hilton properties. Hotel points are a bit of a hot topic at the moment. My true crowning achievement with travel has been gaining status with Delta and getting free upgrades. You'll gain a pretty good status with IHG hotels from initial training. We used to get a lot of IHG points while on the road.

Points are a hot topic? Why?

No Land 3
07-30-2018, 12:14 AM
Points are a hot topic? Why?
It is of the opinion than an individual in travel has negotiated rates with some hotels that removed getting points, or is simply taking them via methods used in the bookings. This is mainly an issue with hotels in the USA. The most annoying to me is the Hilton in ANC.

guacamole
07-30-2018, 12:15 AM
It is of the opinion than an individual in travel has negotiated rates with some hotels that removed getting points, or is simply taking them via methods used in the bookings. This is mainly an issue with hotels in the USA. The most annoying to me is the Hilton in ANC.

Well Maybe you can get this fixed in the next contract.

BFMthisA10
07-30-2018, 01:55 AM
It is of the opinion than an individual in travel has negotiated rates with some hotels that removed getting points, or is simply taking them via methods used in the bookings. This is mainly an issue with hotels in the USA. The most annoying to me is the Hilton in ANC.Penny wise, Pound foolish.

guacamole
07-30-2018, 07:14 AM
I'm really glad that this thread was started. I started reading the old one because it had almost 1.8 million views. I started at the end and was pretty disappointed until I saw the really great retirement info. Wow, if you have smart guys like that flying thier, you're lucky. At my frac nobody talks about taxes and investments.

No Land 3
07-30-2018, 07:17 AM
I'm really glad that this thread was started. I started reading the old one because it had almost 1.8 million views. I started at the end and was pretty disappointed until I saw the really great retirement info. Wow, if you have smart guys like that flying thier, you're lucky. At my frac nobody talks about taxes and investments.
Every pilot needs to have a plan A,B,C,D... Smart ones have additional income streams, most popular being real estate.

guacamole
07-30-2018, 07:27 AM
Thanks, like I said you're really lucky to have guys that can explain taxes and investments around. I already down-loaded a couple of suggested books and am looking forward to listening to them. I read the info that started the thread and saw that the union-management relationship is good. I guess that means the next contract should go pretty fast. How long does it usually take to get a contract?

Locke
07-30-2018, 08:05 AM
Thanks, like I said you're really lucky to have guys that can explain taxes and investments around. I already down-loaded a couple of suggested books and am looking forward to listening to them. I read the info that started the thread and saw that the union-management relationship is good. I guess that means the next contract should go pretty fast. How long does it usually take to get a contract?

Read a book, take a class, or consult a pro. Donít take tax advice from another pilot. I think we are one of the shadiest groups around when it comes to that. Just ask anyone who did overseas contracting about foreign income tax exclusions if you donít believe me.

As for how long itíll take to get a new contract, we are optimistic, but without my magic 8 ball, I couldnít tell you. The last one took a very long time, so anything short of that is great news.

guacamole
07-30-2018, 08:27 AM
Like I said, I am reading the recommended books. How long was a very long time? At least the current union/management relationship is productive, So I bet the next one goes pretty quick.

No Land 3
07-30-2018, 08:56 AM
Like I said, I am reading the recommended books. How long was a very long time? At least the current union/management relationship is productive, So I bet the next one goes pretty quick.

Connie wanted to expand, people were leaving, and no-showing interviews. It was a perfect storm. People are now trying to knock down the door to come here, and with only a few people retiring, or going go a major, there is little leverage for anything other than cleaning up some language and some QOL issues. Every new contract I've seen does not exceed our hourly rates with exception of Omni.

guacamole
07-30-2018, 09:03 AM
Connie wanted to expand, people were leaving, and no-showing interviews. It was a perfect storm. People are now trying to knock down the door to come here, and with only a few people retiring, or going go a major, there is little leverage for anything other than cleaning up some language and some QOL issues. Every new contract I've seen does not exceed our hourly rates with exception of Omni.

Omni got higher rates in there last contract so I would think that there Union has some pretty good negotiating talent. Hopefully that'll carry over for you guys.

Stimpy the Kat
07-30-2018, 01:32 PM
Jesus H. Christ

1) Guac is either a troll, or a kid without many cells to spare.

2) " Every new contract I've seen does not exceed our hourly rates with exception of Omni." - WTF ? you need to check this site ( and Reality ) for useful/truthful information.

For example, a Spirit Captain is compensated better than our guys. Sad. But, True.

And NO THANK YOU..Don't give me the "ACMI" excuse for sub-standard wages.

You fly a Boeing Widebody.

Please, act like it. (?)

Especially in THIS environment.

" Ass, Gas, or Grass. No MORE Free Rides. "

Thanks.


YKW

Lockheed
07-30-2018, 01:58 PM
Jesus H. Christ


For example, a Spirit Captain is compensated better than our guys. Sad. But, True.


YKW

Stimp my friend- you need a better class of drugs
No Spirit doesnt make more than we do not pay rates by far
And not in reality i.e. W2 wages ... even with their new defined contribution

Mabye you should come back to work
You might like it

No Land 3
07-30-2018, 02:40 PM
Stimp my friend- you need a better class of drugs
No Spirit doesnt make more than we do not pay rates by far
And not in reality i.e. W2 wages ... even with their new defined contribution

Mabye you should come back to work
You might like it
You think he would accept the fact things are better? Or would he force himself to be ****ed about something to prove himself right?

guacamole
07-30-2018, 03:52 PM
I was going through the old thread and read about a furlough out of seniority. That must have happened before the Union was certified,right. Does the Company furlough alot?

Lockheed
07-30-2018, 04:27 PM
I was going through the old thread and read about a furlough out of seniority. That must have happened before the Union was certified,right. Does the Company furlough alot?


Ok when I said we would answer any questions i ment it
But there has to be a limit on things like this

To me your a troll
1 furlough in history if CO 2008
Yes we had a contract under the Teamsters
And they tried some shenanigans but paid fir it

Do you have an intelligent question?
Or more of the same

orka
07-30-2018, 05:25 PM
Guacamole banned, that didn't take long. Wonder who'll take his place?

Locke
07-30-2018, 05:58 PM
Guacamole banned, that didn't take long. Wonder who'll take his place?

Not bad... 2 bannings in 7 pages. We seem to be attracting some attention

TeamSasquatch
07-30-2018, 06:05 PM
Bump.... This might have been overshadowed by about 6 pages of other stuff..... Came up in the old thread right before it was closed. Just trying to be informed.


What is competitive for civilian hiring today? What do you see in the new hire classes for backgrounds and experience?

Is it worth getting 1000hrs Beech 1900 single pilot PIC time and then going to a regional and getting all SIC time and approx 3500hrs? Does it take more total time?

Does it take 121 regional PIC time?

The feeder cargo Iím flying currently seems to work well for my family and I. But, not sure it weighs in much at the next level. Trying to set myself up for down the road. Thanks for the input.

Lockheed
07-30-2018, 09:16 PM
Guacamole banned, that didn't take long. Wonder who'll take his place?

Well i guess everyone has to have a hobby even trolls
Mods are doing their job!!

Thank you!

My guess is Geezer and chipdip boy are one in the same

Lockheed
07-30-2018, 09:24 PM
Bump.... This might have been overshadowed by about 6 pages of other stuff..... Came up in the old thread right before it was closed. Just trying to be informed.


What is competitive for civilian hiring today? What do you see in the new hire classes for backgrounds and experience?

Is it worth getting 1000hrs Beech 1900 single pilot PIC time and then going to a regional and getting all SIC time and approx 3500hrs? Does it take more total time?

Does it take 121 regional PIC time?

The feeder cargo Iím flying currently seems to work well for my family and I. But, not sure it weighs in much at the next level. Trying to set myself up for down the road. Thanks for the input.


Maxjet is probably the best at answering this question

Reserve
07-31-2018, 08:39 AM
I posted this in the other thread in reply to something. However I would like to add it here so our union reps can see and consider it since the other is ďclosedĒ per se.

18.5k plus 6k employee....19.5k employer (7.5% of gross maxed at 19.5k)

Are you saying the employer match is IRS limited to $19,500? If so, I certainly agree that we would want our contract to get to the point where we are matched to the IRS limit.

However, with or without the additional match we are still leaving a lot of money on the table unable to be deposited into tax friendly investments (even if we got $19,500 match). We are considered ďhigh incomeĒ (bs) so we are not allowed to contribute to a traditional, or Roth IRA. Yet there is a way to do so: itís called a back door IRA. There is more than one way to do it. One involves a 401k and is the way to get the most $ into the Roth.

Here is the IRS limit on 401k contributions.

https://www.irs.gov/retirement-plans/plan-participant-employee/retirement-topics-401k-and-profit-sharing-plan-contribution-limits

Employee contribution $18,500.
Catch up if over 50 $6000.
Kalitta contract employer match limit of $10,000.
This is a total of $28,500, ($34,500 if over 50) yearly tax exempt limit for Kalitta employees.
The total IRS contribution limit is $55,000. $61,000 if over 50. (6k catch up not included in total limit.
There is a difference of $26,500.
This is a large amount that we are prevented from getting into tax friendly accounts.

Our Fidelity plan documents do not allow after tax contributions, or in service distributions. I called and asked. They said it is possible, but would be something that the company would need to initiate the request for. There may or may not be a cost involved.

I would appreciate it if our union representatives would request the company to change our plan documents to allow after tax contributions and in service distributions. I believe this may be a no cost, or at least low cost item.

This would allow us to put in up to the total 55k, or 61k respectively and roll the amount we put in over $35,500 (yes we would owe taxes on this ďextraĒ amount) up to the 55k (or 61k) limit into a Roth IRA. We would then see it compound and be able to withdraw it tax free.

(Insert discussion of whether politicians will change the laws pertaining to tax free Roth withdrawals in the future here)

Stimpy the Kat
07-31-2018, 09:48 AM
You think he would accept the fact things are better? Or would he force himself to be ****ed about something to prove himself right?

You can speak to me directly if you like..I don't bite.

I loved K4 prior to the recent CBA. ( unfortunately, I have yet to operate under the current one). I can actually say that it was one of my best airline jobs and, was/is a perfect job for me at this stage in life.

Things are better. Much better. No argument there. Many new benefits and thanks to all who worked for them.

However, as with any CBA/Airline nothing is ever perfect.

So, let's not blow smoke up each other's arse and tell ourselves, and others on these forums, that Connie Land is the Greatest Thing Since Sliced Bread.

It's a great place and an opportunity many will never get. It may be the perfect place for many.

And IF I get to come back I'll buy you a beer and you can listen to me Biatch about the small stuff just for fun.

:)

Stimpson

Flydaplane
07-31-2018, 10:04 AM
FYI, The Delta thread has several pages on backdoor IRA.
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/delta/114709-questions-you-mega-backdoor-roth-ers.html

Stimpy the Kat
07-31-2018, 10:22 AM
Stimp my friend- you need a better class of drugs
No Spirit doesnt make more than we do not pay rates by far
And not in reality i.e. W2 wages ... even with their new defined contribution

Maybe you should come back to work
You might like it

I MIGHT!

------------------------------------------------------------

Kalitta

$262 x 64 = $201,216 annual guarantee

$10,000 = Company 401k Max. Contribution

--------------------------------

Total Annual Guarantee Max. Captain = $211,216


VS


SPIRIT

$238 x 72 = $205,632 annual guarantee

11% = Company Contribution = $22,619

-----------------------------------

Total Annual Guarantee Max.Captain = $ 228,251


You are correct, our hourly rate is higher. However, the above numbers climb even higher if you were to include the fact that a Spirit Captain makes an 8% override for international flying.

But, run the math anyway you like. You fly 85-90 hrs./mo on average and a Spirit guy does the same. Who makes more?

He does, and it's not linear either because he will receive his 11% for all his hours over guarantee without maxing at 10k. As well as the aforementioned override for Intl. flights.

Not to mention other contractual items that contribute to soft pay ( Rigs etc. ).....(?)

Lockheed
07-31-2018, 01:36 PM
I MIGHT!

------------------------------------------------------------

Kalitta

$286.28 x 64 = $219,863 annual guarantee

$10,000 = Company 401k Max. Contribution

--------------------------------

Total Annual Guarantee Max. Captain = $229,863


VS


SPIRIT

$260 x 72 = $224,640 annual guarantee

15% = Company Contribution = $33,696

-----------------------------------

Total Annual Guarantee Max.Captain = $ 258,336


You are correct, our hourly rate is higher. However, the above numbers climb even higher if you were to include the fact that a Spirit Captain makes an 8% override for international flying.

But, run the math anyway you like. You fly 85-90 hrs./mo on average and a Spirit guy does the same. Who makes more?

He does, and it's not linear either because he will receive his 11% for all his hours over guarantee without maxing at 10k. As well as the aforementioned override for Intl. flights.

Not to mention other contractual items that contribute to soft pay ( Rigs etc. ).....(?)





well I had no idea Spirits new contract was that good - good for them
others may not agree but I feel the way to compare contracts is with the numbers at the end of each contract - now ours was finalized in the summer of 2016 Spirit was spring of this year - its only good for us that their numbers are that good especially the retirement

I fixed the math to reflect the best numbers from each contract
including their match which rises to 15%

like I said this is only good news for us - leapfrog is the way its always worked

No Land 3
07-31-2018, 02:54 PM
You can speak to me directly if you like..I don't bite.

I loved K4 prior to the recent CBA. ( unfortunately, I have yet to operate under the current one). I can actually say that it was one of my best airline jobs and, was/is a perfect job for me at this stage in life.

Things are better. Much better. No argument there. Many new benefits and thanks to all who worked for them.

However, as with any CBA/Airline nothing is ever perfect.

So, let's not blow smoke up each other's arse and tell ourselves, and others on these forums, that Connie Land is the Greatest Thing Since Sliced Bread.

It's a great place and an opportunity many will never get. It may be the perfect place for many.

And IF I get to come back I'll buy you a beer and you can listen to me Biatch about the small stuff just for fun.

:)

Stimpson

Sounds like a plan :)

nitefr8dog
07-31-2018, 03:58 PM
I posted this in the other thread in reply to something. However I would like to add it here so our union reps can see and consider it since the other is ďclosedĒ per se.



Are you saying the employer match is IRS limited to $19,500? If so, I certainly agree that we would want our contract to get to the point where we are matched to the IRS limit.

However, with or without the additional match we are still leaving a lot of money on the table unable to be deposited into tax friendly investments (even if we got $19,500 match). We are considered ďhigh incomeĒ (bs) so we are not allowed to contribute to a traditional, or Roth IRA. Yet there is a way to do so: itís called a back door IRA. There is more than one way to do it. One involves a 401k and is the way to get the most $ into the Roth.

Here is the IRS limit on 401k contributions.

https://www.irs.gov/retirement-plans/plan-participant-employee/retirement-topics-401k-and-profit-sharing-plan-contribution-limits

Employee contribution $18,500.
Catch up if over 50 $6000.
Kalitta contract employer match limit of $10,000.
This is a total of $28,500, ($34,500 if over 50) yearly tax exempt limit for Kalitta employees.
The total IRS contribution limit is $55,000. $61,000 if over 50. (6k catch up not included in total limit.
There is a difference of $26,500.
This is a large amount that we are prevented from getting into tax friendly accounts.

Our Fidelity plan documents do not allow after tax contributions, or in service distributions. I called and asked. They said it is possible, but would be something that the company would need to initiate the request for. There may or may not be a cost involved.

I would appreciate it if our union representatives would request the company to change our plan documents to allow after tax contributions and in service distributions. I believe this may be a no cost, or at least low cost item.

This would allow us to put in up to the total 55k, or 61k respectively and roll the amount we put in over $35,500 (yes we would owe taxes on this ďextraĒ amount) up to the 55k (or 61k) limit into a Roth IRA. We would then see it compound and be able to withdraw it tax free.

(Insert discussion of whether politicians will change the laws pertaining to tax free Roth withdrawals in the future here)
I am not sure if it is an IRS limit (19.5k) or negotiated limit...but it is a limit based on ABX payroll and my tax return of 7.5% employer contribution of gross.

Stimpy the Kat
08-01-2018, 07:33 AM
well I had no idea Spirits new contract was that good - good for them
others may not agree but I feel the way to compare contracts is with the numbers at the end of each contract - now ours was finalized in the summer of 2016 Spirit was spring of this year - its only good for us that their numbers are that good especially the retirement

I fixed the math to reflect the best numbers from each contract
including their match which rises to 15%

like I said this is only good news for us - leapfrog is the way its always worked

ABSOLUTELY !

Spirit is a crappy airline but, Man they know how nail a Contract.

My buddy got a $75,000 (NOT a typo- $75K) signing bonus ...Unheard of ! (?)


And that's all I'm saying ...Guys HAVE to understand their relative value.

ESPECIALLY in this Market.

STK

Bluesky1
08-01-2018, 08:36 AM
I am not sure if it is an IRS limit (19.5k) or negotiated limit...but it is a limit based on ABX payroll and my tax return of 7.5% employer contribution of gross.

The contribution and matching amounts are based on a "plan-by-plan" or company-by-company basis. Depending on whether or not you are a Highly Compensated Employee ($120K), you may not be able to max out your contributions. The tax code governing 401k plans was written to prevent qualified retirement plans from overly favoring Highly Compensated Employees. A series of non-discrimination tests were devised to measure whether a plan's design or operation lends to favoring the HCEs over the Non-Highly Compensated Employees.

nitefr8dog
08-01-2018, 06:12 PM
The contribution and matching amounts are based on a "plan-by-plan" or company-by-company basis. Depending on whether or not you are a Highly Compensated Employee ($120K), you may not be able to max out your contributions. The tax code governing 401k plans was written to prevent qualified retirement plans from overly favoring Highly Compensated Employees. A series of non-discrimination tests were devised to measure whether a plan's design or operation lends to favoring the HCEs over the Non-Highly Compensated Employees.
Ok....like I said , I was not sure mostly because I did not feel like digging into it. I do know 19.5 is the number whether you make 200k or 600k ...here anyway.

No Land 3
08-01-2018, 08:24 PM
So which one of you financial wizards is helping with the unions retirement committee?

nitefr8dog
08-02-2018, 07:42 PM
So which one of you financial wizards is helping with the unions retirement committee?
What at all does your question have to do with this discussion?

goinaround
08-02-2018, 08:08 PM
What at all does your question have to do with this discussion?

Says the Abex guy who has been discussing retirement strategy in a Kalitta Air (K4) Information thread?

CaptianO
08-03-2018, 02:39 AM
Just got the call. What's the interview like?

2800TT
625 TPIC
275 121 PIC

nitefr8dog
08-03-2018, 08:26 AM
Says the Abex guy who has been discussing retirement strategy in a Kalitta Air (K4) Information thread?
Well he asked the numbers.....is it a problem for you. Keeping you from sleeping? This is a discussion forum is it not? He might be asking to compare contract numbers for your next contract. Or do you not think you will ever have another one or be able to improve on the one you have?

FlyingAnvil
08-03-2018, 10:50 AM
Just got the call. What's the interview like?

2800TT
625 TPIC
275 121 PIC

Congrats! I havenít interviewed but can pass on info if you like via PM. How long did it take from app to first contact?

Palmtree Pilot
08-03-2018, 12:58 PM
Just got the call. What's the interview like?

2800TT
625 TPIC
275 121 PIC

From what I've read on here this is pretty accurate
https://www.aviationinterviews.com

steamer1970
08-03-2018, 12:58 PM
My first post. I've dug through both Kalitta threads and learned some very useful information- thank you to those who take the time to do this. I'm an ex-Navy Hornet guy, out of currency and going to regionals to hopefully pay my dues. I am very interested in Kalitta and have met the minimums (minus currency). So here are my questions:

How do you get noticed by the company?
Do single seat fighter types get considered?
Are they good with National Guard time off?

It's never too early to prepare as far as I'm concerned. Anyone willing to PM me the interview gouge would be much appreciated.
Thanks.

Locke
08-03-2018, 03:59 PM
How do you get noticed by the company?
Do single seat fighter types get considered?
Are they good with National Guard time off?


Apply, and keep updating as you get more 121 time. An internal rec goes a long way, but with your background you shouldnít have a problem getting the call once you get your currency back.

We have a handful of fighter guys. There is a preference for guys with heavy jet experience, but I donít think fighter experience will hurt you in the selection.

Im not a guard guy, but there are a few on here that are more qualified to answer that question.

goinaround
08-03-2018, 08:02 PM
My first post. I've dug through both Kalitta threads and learned some very useful information- thank you to those who take the time to do this. I'm an ex-Navy Hornet guy, out of currency and going to regionals to hopefully pay my dues. I am very interested in Kalitta and have met the minimums (minus currency). So here are my questions:

How do you get noticed by the company?
Do single seat fighter types get considered?
Are they good with National Guard time off?

It's never too early to prepare as far as I'm concerned. Anyone willing to PM me the interview gouge would be much appreciated.
Thanks.

I'm a current heavy driver in the Guard and just recently interviewed. Our main topic of conversation in the interview was how much they valued my military flying and how much they support reservists. I anticipate no issues. However, I do understand that they prefer to move your days around your guard days to keep you at 16. Not always though.... Example: If you just do your drill and maybe a couple FTPs around your scheduled drill days (usually first weekend of the month) they will move your schedule right to accommodate for it. If you do more than 14 days mil they'll start subtracting days from your rotation.

Good luck!

saxman66
08-03-2018, 08:16 PM
I just got an invite. Submitted app May 31, and updated a few days ago. The update might have shown interest. I'm just a regional captain.

No Land 3
08-03-2018, 08:54 PM
I just got an invite. Submitted app May 31, and updated a few days ago. The update might have shown interest. I'm just a regional captain.
A large percentage of our pilot group were "just a regional captain", myself included. Speaking to the new guys on the line, it's painting a picture of evenly distributing military, regional, acmi, and corporate pilots in new hire classes as of late. The military guys do get a break on the TT. Good luck on the interview.

BFMthisA10
08-04-2018, 05:23 AM
My first post. I've dug through both Kalitta threads and learned some very useful information- thank you to those who take the time to do this. I'm an ex-Navy Hornet guy, out of currency and going to regionals to hopefully pay my dues. I am very interested in Kalitta and have met the minimums (minus currency). So here are my questions:

How do you get noticed by the company?
Do single seat fighter types get considered?
Are they good with National Guard time off?

It's never too early to prepare as far as I'm concerned. Anyone willing to PM me the interview gouge would be much appreciated.
Thanks.Apply. Can't say for sure that recency/currency is a showstopper, though all in my class were current. But I can say that in hindsight, I'm kicking myself for not applying when I was available, and just limiting myself to the regionals; wish I had skipped the six months of "regionals dues"...I was called within two weeks of submitting.

- Single seat: plenty of us here, though it seems we're outnumbered by the heavy types.
- good with ANG; though we don't have the bandwidth of a DL or AA to give Carte Blanche. It's a much bigger impact to our bottom line when you, 1 of 450 guys on the line (or 1 of 260 74FOs) drops orders, vice 1 of 14k elsewhere, hence they're a little more sensitive to the schedule impact. Other than that, AFTPs on your 14 off: go bananas; Mandatory UTA, sure, no problem; etc.

CaptianO
08-04-2018, 09:30 AM
Congrats! I havenít interviewed but can pass on info if you like via PM. How long did it take from app to first contact?

Maybe a month or so

CaptianO
08-04-2018, 09:37 AM
Very excited to interview at Kalitta. It's been a long time goal of mine to fly heavys and the best part.....cargo. I've been studying the gouges and reading "Ace the Technical Pilot Interview". Is there anything else? Do most people interview in suits or Blazer and slacks?

CrewDog98
08-04-2018, 10:17 AM
Very excited to interview at Kalitta. It's been a long time goal of mine to fly heavys and the best part.....cargo. I've been studying the gouges and reading "Ace the Technical Pilot Interview". Is there anything else? Do most people interview in suits or Blazer and slacks?
Most everyone is in a suit, best foot forward and all. Although one of our guys lost his luggage and interviewed in jeans and a Puma soccer jersey...got hired😂.

The class splits in two, half do the personality/compass (about 2 hrs) and half do the HR. Everyone thinks they fail the math so donít worry. You swap halfway.

For the compass test I used the trainer on latest-pilot-jobs. It is near identical to the test K4 uses. Not ďsimilar to,Ē near identical. I did the 30 day access.

Big question everyone gets is on the 16/14 schedule, can the family hang with it, etc. My wife asked if I Ďhadí to be home 14 whole days...🙄

Connie wants to hire 100+ by January so there is no better time. We had 12/16 hired and most everyone got the call in the Airport on the way home.

Good Luck!

UniformGolf
08-04-2018, 10:47 AM
Is being a US citizen a definite requirement? Iím a green card holder and former UK military (although flown USAF aircraft) and currently in the regionals. Kalitta seems ideal but is the citizenship requirement a stopper?

jackcarls0n
08-04-2018, 05:29 PM
Is being a US citizen a definite requirement? Iím a green card holder and former UK military (although flown USAF aircraft) and currently in the regionals. Kalitta seems ideal but is the citizenship requirement a stopper?

Yes, it is a mandatory requirement. I think it is because of DOD contracts.

MoarAlpha
08-04-2018, 07:22 PM
Are 767 guys breaking guarantee? I know in the FAQ it says 80-90 hours, but is that everyone?

HercDriver130
08-05-2018, 05:07 AM
Are 767 guys breaking guarantee? I know in the FAQ it says 80-90 hours, but is that everyone?

I would say the norm is for 767 guys to get paid guarantee. Im sure there is some OT on days off avail that changes that occasionally... but not the norm.

jhugz
08-05-2018, 12:22 PM
I would say the norm is for 767 guys to get paid guarantee. Im sure there is some OT on days off avail that changes that occasionally... but not the norm.

My understanding is this is correct...only people making OT is people working extra days.

orka
08-05-2018, 03:11 PM
It would appear that the 767 presently is 100% allocated to DHL, therefore it is adequately staffed, at the expense of the 400, which can be subcontracted.

Cirrus2turbine
08-06-2018, 09:42 AM
The following is the latest information about current working conditions and employment potential at Kalitta Air Ė aka ďK4Ē and although not from is approved by the CKS 140 Master Executive Council. This message will be updated and re-posted to this thread on or about the first of each month.



About Kalitta Air

Kalitta Air Pilots are represented by the Airline Pilots Association
CBA: A new contract was signed in December of 2016 and becomes amendable in December 2020
Current Company/Union relationship: Productive

Current Fleet: 20 B747-400ís and is a mix of BCFís (Boeing Converted Freighter) and Fís/ERFís (Factory Freighter) and 6 B767-300ERís Ė The general understanding of the short term fleet goals is 25-30 B747ís and 10 B767ís. There are currently 470 pilots on the seniority list. Interviewing and hiring into both fleets are ongoing Ė classes of 16 start every 3 to 4 weeks.

747 Flights: The 747 has multiple daily departures and arrivals out of Cincinnati, Los Angeles, Chicago, Honolulu, Anchorage, Leipzig, Brussels, New Delhi, New York, Hong Kong, Incheon and Istanbul - other common layover cities are Amsterdam, Landstuhl Germany, Tel Aviv, Kuwait, Bahrain, Dubai, Pattaya Thailand, Hiroshima, Nagoya, Narita, Shanghai, Santiago, Wuhan - and really anywhere in the world is possible.

767 Flights: The 767's operate only in the DHL network out of CVG and layover in Atlanta, Chicago, Minneapolis, Laredo, San Antonio and Seattle.

Schedules: The schedules are on a monthly basis and are 16 days on and 14 or 15 off. The schedule is largely planned to be a continuous 16 day rotation but scheduling is good about moving days around if you need it. Travel starts generally in the afternoon/evening of your last day off and you will be home on your last day on by 2359z.

Bases: We are home based, meaning the company buys a full fare ticket to get you to wherever your line starts and back home when it's done - domestic travel is in coach - International travel is business or first class. Generally, lines start in CVG, LAX, JFK, ANC, ORD and a few others during November and December.

Pay: First year FO pay is $106/hr - the guarantee is 64hrs however we are very busy and you will average above 85 hrs pay per month and much more if you work on some days off which are paid at 150% - per diem is about $1200/month - with no days off flying a new hire can expect to make more than 100k the first year.

Crew Composition: The B747ís generally operate as a Standard crew consisting of 1 Captain and 2 FOís. For longer flights, a Double will be assigned consisting of 4 pilots (1 or 2 Captains, and 2 or 3 FOs). Very rarely you will operate as a Basic Crew consisting of 1 Captain and 1 FO. The B767ís are operated as a standard crew of 1 Captain and 1 FO.

Hiring Candidate Requirements:
∑ 2500+ hours of total time minimum.
∑ If Military: >1000 hrs. Total Time. Turbine and PIC are flexible.
∑ 1500 turbine (jet) flight time min.
∑ 500 PIC turbine (jet) flight time min.


Application and Interview
Apply at kalittaair.com and choose ďPilot RecruitmentĒ from the ďPilot TrainingĒ drop down menu
To update your application send an email to [email protected]
The first contact is a call from the Assistant Chief Pilot for a phone interview.
If invited for an interview the candidate will need to travel to Detroit at their expense for a one day interview consisting of 2 computer tests (cog/personality) and a panel interview. A Hotel room will be provided the night before the interview. The hotel van provides transportation to and from DTW the YIP training center and the Holiday Inn located in Belleville.

Training
Training consists of Indoc, CBT (Computer Based Training), FTD (Flight Training Device), Simulator and IOE. Initial Training takes 5 weeks and then you will be in the queue for IOE. Training pay is $600/wk plus hotel and per diem. Flight pay starts on 1st day of IOE or familiarization flight (usually within a month of completing initial training) so about 2 months total on training pay.
It will be a challenge for just about everyone, but if you are willing to put in the work, the instructors will get you through it. Expect to be flying a plane youíve never flown out of locations youíve never seen, using procedures youíve never used while being graded on it. Most of it is self-guided and will require you to study with your class.

Frequently Asked Questions

I donít have any jet/heavy time, can I apply?
Yes, you can still apply. We have quite a few pilots that came from a turboprop background.

Can they keep you out longer than your 16 days?
No, you are only required to work 16 days. They cannot force you to stay out. If for some reason beyond the companiesí control (weather) they cannot get you home by 2359Z they owe you 6 hours of pay per day or a comp day for keeping you out.

Can you be stuck on a back to back rotation?
Itís possible, but not likely. Most of the people that do back to back rotations are because they chose to, so they could change their schedule around to be home for a personal commitment. Very rarely will you get stuck with it because you did not have the seniority to hold the same schedule. If that happens, you can call scheduling, and they will usually try to help you out.

Whatís a split line, and can I work less than 16 days in a row?
A split line is a line that does not have 16 days in a row during any calendar month. In general they would be 5-6 days at the beginning, and 10-11 days at the end. This does not mean you will be on the road any shorter, it just means that you will get the middle of the month off vs the beginning or end. If you work 10 at the end of March, and 6 at the beginning of April you are still on the road 16 days in a row. There are very few opportunities to work in small chunks, so if you donít like the idea of being out for 16 in a row, you will not like Kalitta.

Will I be sitting reserve for a long time before getting a line?
Things donít work like that at Kalitta. There arenít many pure reserve lines. Being assigned a line doesnít really mean you will actually fly those trips, so bid the time off that you want. You probably wonít fly the entire month with the crew you were assigned to either.

What type of flying will I be doing as a junior guy vs a senior guy?
The exact same thing. It doesnít matter if youíre the number 1 guy, or the last, you most likely will not fly the line that you bid. You will however get the schedule you want based on seniority. There are also some lines that have a higher guarantee, so you will be paid what the line awards even if you donít fly it.

How many hours do you fly per month?
Most people fly around 800 or so hours a year, but you will end up getting around 80-90 per month pay credit because of dead heads and reserve days.

How much Deadheading do you do, and in what class?
Lately thereís been a lot more of it, but in general you will deadhead about once or twice in addition to your initial positioning and going home. We get business class or better on international deadheads over 3 hours. Everything else is coach. Alaska and Hawaii are considered international.

What is the quality of the Hotels?
In general they are decent. In the US expect a lot of Holiday Inn, Double Tree, and Courtyards. In Asia and the Mideast they are outstanding with things like the Oakwood, Shangri-La, and the Millennium. In Europe they tend to be the Penta, and Radisson.

Do I have to sit around in the hotel on Reserve?
No. There are several types of Reserve, but the most common is R2. It means you have to check in with scheduling within an hour, and depart for duty in 2 hours. That basically means you have 2 hours to get into uniform and check out of the hotel. That leaves plenty of room to go out and enjoy the cities that you visit.

How long are you in each location?
You are required to have between 11-18 hours of rest depending on how long the day was, however min rest days are fairly rare. We are usually in any given location for about 24 hours, and there is a required day off each week.

Does Kalitta feed you on the flights?
Yes, the 747 is catered almost everywhere we go. There is a full galley, and ample time to eat. The 767 on the other hand is not catered due to the flight segments being short and the hub turn in CVG where food is available.

What is the Max Duty Day?
24 hours on a Double Crew Ė 17 hours on a Standard Crew and 14 hours on a Basic Crew.

Sick leave/Vacation
Vacation: 14 days per year until year 5 then 21 days per year.
Sick: 7 days immediately in the bank, and after the first year it accrues at .67 days/month

Uniforms?
The official uniform is from Crew Outfitters. You will be sized and purchase it at Initial training. On your anniversary you will get $250 from the company for ďuniform maintenanceĒ.

What bag should I buy, and how do you guys pack for 16+ days?
People use anything from Luggage Works to Costco bags, so itís really up to you. You will not be jumpseating to work, so if you want to check a bag you can. Most of the people pack for 10 days, and do laundry once on each rotation. There are places to do laundry at 75%+ of our hotels.

Upgrade Times
The DOH for the most junior pilot holding a 747 Captain bid is September of 2016, and March of 2017 for 767 Captain. There will be another 747 Captain bid out early next year.

Is there a seat lock?
There is a 2 year equipment lock when youíre assigned a plane, but you can bid up to Captain before that 2 years is over. Once awarded a bid, you are seat locked for 2 years.

How does Overtime work?
You have to work 16 days per month. If you chose to work 1 extra day, you will be paid 1.5X your hours flown, and 4 hours minimum for not flying (whichever is greater). Example: I flew 10 hours on a day off, so I get paid 15 hours of pay. I then had a down day and flew another 10 hours on my time off. I get paid 4 hours for my down day, and 15 hours for the last flight. Total: 34 hours of pay for 3 days of overtime.

Miles for travel or Zed fares?
No Zed fares, or benefits for family travel. You will however get miles, and stays at most hotels.

Medical Benefits?
We enjoy one of the best Cadillac health care plans in the industry which is as good as or better than any major airline today. Medical benefits start after 90 days. Medical is currently $75 single and $150 family per pay period. Each year it goes up $25.

401K
You can sign up after 90 days, and itís 5% matching up to $10,000 per year. The vesting is based on the number of years youíve been at the company. <1 year 0%, 1 year 20%, 2 years 40%, 3 years 60%, 4 years 80%, and 5 years 100%

Is there a lot of attrition?
No, there is very little attrition. 1-2 FOs every couple months tend to leave for the legacies. Very few of the captains leave for anything other than retirement.

Do you fly for Amazon?
No.

Can I live outside of the US and fly for Kalitta?
Yes! We have quite a few crew members that live outside of the US. The catch is that the company will only buy you a ticket to the plane from an airport in the US, so you will have to find your own way to your chosen US airport. Scheduling will work with you though if you happen to live by a very common location that we fly to (Leipzig, Hong Kong, etc).

What does the 767 do?
For now, it does not have an ETOPS certification, so the 76 does domestic flying for DHL.

What are the bases at Kalitta?
YIP is the only base. The company will fly you to and from the plane wherever it is, but you will have to find your own way to YIP for training.

Who is Kalitta Charters, K2, K4 etc?
Kalitta Air (K4) is 747s and 767s. Itís run by Connie and is one you clicked on.
Kalitta Charters is a completely different company run by Doug Kalitta and is small stuff like learjets.
Kalitta Charters 2 (K2) is also run by Doug, but flies 737s and 727s.

I want to jumpseat on Kalitta. How do I do it?
Call Ops. The number is listed on the website, and they will be able to give you the schedule and list you on the flight.


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Thanks for posting this. As someone who's changing careers and working to build time, this is exactly the type of information is helpful. I know I need to time build somewhere in a part 91 or small 135 that is desperate for FO's and SIC's, but as I read this forum, it's posts like this that help me understand the moving up process across the industry.

daybyday
08-07-2018, 01:12 PM
Did phone interview. Was offered to come up for face to face interview. Called HR the next morning. (Was on a trip) They took down my basic info. Still havenít gotten email for interview though. How long does it take for the email to come normally? Itís almost been a week. Thanks. Just excited to interview.

gollum
08-07-2018, 02:25 PM
Well there you have it.. K4 has its own RST page on Facebook.


https://www.facebook.com/groups/274994626622150/

4runner
08-07-2018, 03:21 PM
Nope. Our PR guys use Key West, and either get there on their own, or because of the cost comparison get the company to buy a ticket out of San Juan. Home bases are only in the lower 48, or ANC/HNL

Go through your base listings one afternoon and then get a command center set up. Laptop, iPad and smart phone. Go through the most obscure bases and price them out. Hint, tri cities is $$$ and so are some of the ski destinations in winter. Think Montana. I used this strategy and requested alternate travel all over the world. This works at K4, atlas, and other home based airlines.

No Land 3
08-07-2018, 07:33 PM
Well there you have it.. K4 has its own RST page on Facebook.


https://www.facebook.com/groups/274994626622150/

RST? Theres other pages.

gollum
08-08-2018, 04:04 AM
RST? Theres other pages.

Ready Set Takeoff. It's a pre interview page setup to allow pilots interested in a particular airline get information (like these forums) and after getting an interview, he has "prep" programs you can signup for (for a fee) to help get ready.

Up until now, it's pretty much been limited to The big dogs, but there has obviously been enough interest in K4 that he set up new page.

daybyday
08-08-2018, 04:21 AM
Anyone in the September 5th interviews get your emails? I was invited but still no email. Didnít know how long it takes to normally get your email for the interview.

mukalel
08-08-2018, 05:43 AM
Anyone in the September 5th interviews get your emails? I was invited but still no email. Didnít know how long it takes to normally get your email for the interview.

Ive sent in 4 updates in the last 3 months and crickets..

cropdusterdave
08-08-2018, 05:54 AM
Anyone in the September 5th interviews get your emails? I was invited but still no email. Didnít know how long it takes to normally get your email for the interview.

1 week prior

maxjet
08-08-2018, 09:06 AM
Ive sent in 4 updates in the last 3 months and crickets..

I read this a lot. Perhaps you donít meet the current desired qualifications? Keep updating until you do

daybyday
08-08-2018, 09:39 AM
1 week prior

Ok. So it is normal then to do the phone screen and not hear from them until a week prior to interview?

dba74
08-08-2018, 09:46 AM
Is there a specific person's name to whom I should address the email salutation on the update? Thanks so much for all the great info guys!

RCAC
08-08-2018, 11:36 AM
Have an old roommate who is a Kalitta Captain and has been for several years. How does your corporate email work, so that I can send him an email (ie [email protected]????.com)

Thanks very much.

RCAC

Riverside
08-08-2018, 11:37 AM
Ok. So it is normal then to do the phone screen and not hear from them until a week prior to interview?

I checked my email. 6 days before the interview they sent all the requested interview documents.

CaptianO
08-08-2018, 11:54 AM
Can anyone pm the extension for hr? I had the phone interview but the extension I'm using for hr isn't valid. Thanks

lionflyer
08-08-2018, 12:02 PM
Can anyone pm the extension for hr? I had the phone interview but the extension I'm using for hr isn't valid. Thanks

Call headquarters and ask for HR. The phone number is on the website.

CaptianO
08-08-2018, 12:08 PM
Call headquarters and ask for HR. The phone number is on the website.

Will try. I left a message with the CP

MoarAlpha
08-08-2018, 10:29 PM
Ok. So it is normal then to do the phone screen and not hear from them until a week prior to interview?

What is your background and flight experience? Just curious what is drawing interviews. Thanks!

Blackhawk
08-09-2018, 07:51 AM
They hired about 50 from one regional the last two days.

MoarAlpha
08-09-2018, 08:35 AM
They hired about 50 from one regional the last two days.

Seriously?

Blackhawk
08-09-2018, 09:07 AM
Seriously?

Yes. Coming back to get more from the same regional next month.

dba74
08-09-2018, 10:52 AM
Is there a way to update the actual application after submitting? Or just done through email resume attachment updates essentially? Thanks again

Riverside
08-09-2018, 12:46 PM
Is there a way to update the actual application after submitting? Or just done through email resume attachment updates essentially? Thanks again

I suggest you read the first post on page one.

daybyday
08-09-2018, 01:13 PM
What is your background and flight experience? Just curious what is drawing interviews. Thanks!

Flew supplemental for years doing the 18-12 schedule on the 767. Then went to regional and Iím captain now there. I miss the block of days out schedule though. Also had a rec on file.

dba74
08-09-2018, 01:33 PM
I suggest you read the first post on page one.




I did, several times. It says:

"To update your application send an email to [email protected]"

Hence my question, it's not really updating the application itself, is it? I saw you responded to someone in the recent past that you didn't think a person could update the app after submitting, I'm just making sure, thanks

Riverside
08-09-2018, 01:36 PM
I did, several times. It says:

"To update your application send an email to [email protected]"

Hence my question, it's not really updating the application itself, is it? I saw you responded to someone in the recent past that you didn't think a person could update the app after submitting, I'm just making sure, thanks

You can't update flight time through ADP website. You can however send an updated resume through said email address.

dba74
08-09-2018, 01:45 PM
You can't update flight time through ADP website. You can however send an updated resume through said email address.




Thanks Riverside, that's what I thought. Anyone's name in particular I should put in the greeting of the email rather than generic?

Riverside
08-09-2018, 02:03 PM
Thanks Riverside, that's what I thought. Anyone's name in particular I should put in the greeting of the email rather than generic?

Generic is fine. I don't know which of the HR ladies that view the resumes.

dba74
08-09-2018, 02:21 PM
Generic is fine. I don't know which of the HR ladies that view the resumes.




sweet, I appreciate it!

MoarAlpha
08-09-2018, 03:44 PM
Yes. Coming back to get more from the same regional next month.

Expressjet?

Blackhawk
08-09-2018, 05:12 PM
Expressjet?

Yes. More interviews next month.

No Land 3
08-09-2018, 07:01 PM
Yes. More interviews next month.

It makes sense, once a regional pilot experiences true home basing and a two week vacation every month, they don't want to go anywhere else.

Blackhawk
08-09-2018, 07:38 PM
It makes sense, once a regional pilot experiences true home basing and a two week vacation every month, they don't want to go anywhere else.

Yeah, I couldn't interview this month but hoping to get a spot next month. My wife moves around due to her job, so home basing would be ideal for me.

Rumpel
08-10-2018, 06:43 AM
Forgive me if this is buried in the old thread, I can't seem to find the answer to this one. I applied to what I believe was a 747 FO job posting. That post seems to now be gone and now I see a 767 job posting. Should I apply to both? I don't want to seem like I'm trying to spam them.

Checkers21
08-10-2018, 07:40 AM
How many of these 777ís do we plan on getting? I really hope they donít hire a bunch of nerds to sit right seat in that thing.

Texxx
08-10-2018, 07:45 AM
Expressjet?

Correction. ASA

Blackhawk
08-10-2018, 07:47 AM
Correction. ASA

Correct. Though ASA doesn't really exist anymore.

mukalel
08-10-2018, 08:13 AM
I read this a lot. Perhaps you donít meet the current desired qualifications? Keep updating until you do

Perhaps thats true .. but every kalitta guy that i meet says im overqualified.. but i guess ultimately its what HR thinks that counts i guess .. still hopefull

No Land 3
08-10-2018, 08:48 AM
Perhaps thats true .. but every kalitta guy that i meet says im overqualified.. but i guess ultimately its what HR thinks that counts i guess .. still hopefull

I don't know what the secret is, I am starting to wonder if my own rec does more harm than good? My strategy was to get hired before the new contract knowing full well that once the new contract was passed, would have a harder time... I can imagine Spirit is more selective now too, along with Omni, allegiant, etc. It's basic supply and demad.

goinaround
08-10-2018, 09:07 AM
Perhaps thats true .. but every kalitta guy that i meet says im overqualified.. but i guess ultimately its what HR thinks that counts i guess .. still hopefull

Lots of former ACMI and Mil with some regional folks mixed in. You are not overqualified. Any multi-jet PIC?

mukalel
08-10-2018, 01:37 PM
Lots of former ACMI and Mil with some regional folks mixed in. You are not overqualified. Any multi-jet PIC?

No multijet pic but 3 boeing types including the 75/76 and almost 4 years experience working acmi especially the dhl system right here in cvg.. heavy international and etops experience also..

No Land 3
08-10-2018, 02:22 PM
No multijet pic but 3 boeing types including the 75/76 and almost 4 years experience working acmi especially the dhl system right here in cvg.. heavy international and etops experience also..

You need TPIC. They love TPIC.

Atrasaty
08-10-2018, 05:26 PM
K4 is the ONLY airline in this segment that has operational stability. They will reap the rewards as a result. The pilots fought very long and hard for a contract and Connie was smart enough to see that an agreement would pay in spades with the current climate. Old school cunning beats Harvard MBA yet again.

No Land 3
08-10-2018, 08:29 PM
No multijet pic but 3 boeing types including the 75/76 and almost 4 years experience working acmi especially the dhl system right here in cvg.. heavy international and etops experience also..
You know though, if you are ABX and simply not a CA due to the long upgrade time, that could be acceptable. If you could of upgraded a long time ago and chose to be a career FO, they probably won't look at you. They have a saying, "we hire captains."

BitterOHFO
08-10-2018, 08:47 PM
You know though, if you are ABX and simply not a CA due to the long upgrade time, that could be acceptable. If you could of upgraded a long time ago and chose to be a career FO, they probably won't look at you. They have a saying, "we hire captains."

Well I was a career FO at 3 regionals not by choice so anything is possible. 12 years of that. Crazy how things have changed since I was hired 2 years ago as far as mins! Now in the middle of upgrade on the 767! Got hired into the 767. And don't show up like billy [email protected] you will get owned no matter the fleet. Top tip!

BitterOHFO
08-10-2018, 10:13 PM
Well I was a career FO at 3 regionals not by choice so anything is possible. 12 years of that. Crazy how things have changed since I was hired 2 years ago as far as mins! Now in the middle of upgrade on the 767! Got hired into the 767. And don't show up like billy [email protected] you will get owned no matter the fleet. Top tip!

767 is like flying an Atari with Dodge Hellcat power! Don't rely on the automation to bail you out. This airplane is hands on and will keep you honest!

MoarAlpha
08-11-2018, 03:07 AM
Correction. ASA

The better side. :)

ASA 10'-17'

I left because, well, yeah...

Texxx
08-11-2018, 07:34 AM
The better side. :)

ASA 10'-17'

I left because, well, yeah...

Others are coming. I'll PM you.

saxman66
08-11-2018, 03:02 PM
Whatís the latest interview to class date as of late?


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nitefr8dog
08-11-2018, 03:06 PM
K4 is the ONLY airline in this segment that has operational stability. They will reap the rewards as a result. The pilots fought very long and hard for a contract and Connie was smart enough to see that an agreement would pay in spades with the current climate. Old school cunning beats Harvard MBA yet again.
Unfortunately that is not true....ATI seems quite happy with a horible contract and willing to work for alot less than most 767 pilots but unfortunately for them there is no increase in Amazon and the scope language ABX has prevents them from flying 767 domestic except for 1 aircraft...

gumpscheck
08-11-2018, 05:10 PM
Unfortunately that is not true....ATI seems quite happy with a horible contract and willing to work for alot less than most 767 pilots but unfortunately for them there is no increase in Amazon and the scope language ABX has prevents them from flying 767 domestic except for 1 aircraft...

Thanks goodness for our Scope. Otherwise you would be stealing everything from ABX. Remember ABX Holdings bought Cargo Holdings International back in 2008. Peter Fox changed the name to ATSG when he attempted a take over from Hete, but it failed. ABX Air is the original airline of the holding corp.

Atrasaty
08-11-2018, 05:24 PM
Unfortunately that is not true....ATI seems quite happy with a horible contract and willing to work for alot less than most 767 pilots but unfortunately for them there is no increase in Amazon and the scope language ABX has prevents them from flying 767 domestic except for 1 aircraft...

I take your point...however ATI do not have recruitment/retention stability. I doubt they would be able to hire enough to fill any void ATSG would like to create by winding down ABX. Top to bottom only K4 have stability and the capability to take advantage of the current market.

nitefr8dog
08-11-2018, 05:35 PM
Thanks goodness for our Scope. Otherwise you would be stealing everything from ABX. Remember ABX Holdings bought Cargo Holdings International back in 2008. Peter Fox changed the name to ATSG when he attempted a take over from Hete, but it failed. ABX Air is the original airline of the holding corp.
Yes...I do remember. I lived thru that nightmare....still am.

Riverside
08-11-2018, 07:23 PM
Whatís the latest interview to class date as of late?


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Well considering both sims are down for the month September in YIP. Might be awhile.

kolt66
08-11-2018, 07:34 PM
Do you have any reserve only lines at K4? If so, are you able to get more days at home generally by being awarded one of those lines?

goinaround
08-11-2018, 07:34 PM
Well considering both sims are down for the month September in YIP. Might be awhile.

They're sending everyone to Miami. No training in December, however. 3-4 weeks is the norm right now.

No Land 3
08-11-2018, 07:39 PM
Do you have any reserve only lines at K4? If so, are you able to get more days at home generally by being awarded one of those lines?
My friend at WGA spends most of the time at home on long call rsv. K4 has you for 16 days, do not expect to spend any of it at home unless you live at one of our frequent layovers like ANC, even then, you should treat it as a lucky coincidence.

Ghost Pilot
08-11-2018, 08:56 PM
Do you have any reserve only lines at K4? If so, are you able to get more days at home generally by being awarded one of those lines?


Closing in on three years here and have only two R4s (reserve at home) under my belt so far. One was because I had a split line with 1 reserve day at the beginning of the month and 15 at the end. The other I was starting a trip and by chance a jet was coming to my resident airport on my second day so they just held me at home to pick it up there.

HercDriver130
08-11-2018, 09:48 PM
Do you have any reserve only lines at K4? If so, are you able to get more days at home generally by being awarded one of those lines?

RSV.....whats that.. the only RSV guys sitting at home MIGHT be an occasional 767 guy/gal who lives near CVG

Wayst
08-11-2018, 11:19 PM
Great Info

Firefly899
08-12-2018, 05:08 AM
They're sending everyone to Miami. No training in December, however. 3-4 weeks is the norm right now.

Norm of what???

Blackhawk
08-12-2018, 05:14 AM
Whatís the latest interview to class date as of late?


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Some of those who interviewed last week got September class dates.

Riverside
08-12-2018, 05:14 AM
Norm of what???

The question that was being asked.

Texxx
08-12-2018, 11:36 AM
Some of those who interviewed last week got September class dates.

Actually about 7 are going to Aug 27 class.

MoarAlpha
08-12-2018, 05:23 PM
Anyone know if they plan on interviewing through the fall/winter? Keeping my fingers crossed!

gollum
08-12-2018, 05:27 PM
Well considering both sims are down for the month September in YIP. Might be awhile.

Why are both sims down? At least one of the sims is up in Sep as the bid package has CQ lines built for YIP SIM.

birdog90
08-12-2018, 05:58 PM
5000 TT, 2500 TPIC, all part 91 and 135. 4 year degree, LCA, and some international experience. Competitive at Kalitta right now? Just weighing options.

Riverside
08-12-2018, 06:00 PM
Why are both sims down? At least one of the sims is up in Sep as the bid package has CQ lines built for YIP SIM.

I saw that as well. They are upgrading the 1980's visuals.

Locke
08-12-2018, 06:51 PM
I saw that as well. They are upgrading the 1980's visuals.

Who gets to see the visuals anyway? They bring the weather down to mins for every sim.

Lockheed
08-12-2018, 06:51 PM
I saw that as well. They are upgrading the 1980's visuals.

ya actually both are being upgraded to the latest available tech...aparently Delta let their 400 sim slide the last few years....there vis was unusable

MoarAlpha
08-12-2018, 07:32 PM
Who gets to see the visuals anyway? They bring the weather down to mins for every sim.

The fog looked too pixelated? Gotta get brand new 4k grey!

No Land 3
08-13-2018, 06:47 AM
Visuals that sync with the motion at a higher FPS will prevent the motion sickness most feel while taxiing. This is why high end VR headsets have a requirement for 90 fps. Do not know if this is the reason for the upgrade, but the fact they care about having updated sims is a sign of a company that gives a damn.

Jurassic Jet
08-13-2018, 06:51 AM
but the fact they care about having updated sims is a sign of a company that gives a damn.

This canít be the measuring stick for giving a damn. ABX upgraded their visuals over a year ago.

Lockheed
08-13-2018, 07:05 AM
This can’t be the measuring stick for giving a damn. ABX upgraded their visuals over a year ago.

You are absolutely correct

the visuals in our 400 sim were/are top notch
the second sim just installed from delta was uncertifiable in its present condition- at least that's what I understand

the company upgrading the visuals on that sim made k4 an offer they couldn't refuse to do both at the same time

not big deal but in the end we will have 2 really good sims

Checkers21
08-13-2018, 12:12 PM
Have a buddy interviewing at K4 on 09/5. I believe itís for the 767. Has there been any improvements at all to the quality of life over there? Iím aware that the schedule is extremely exhausting, but as more people are trained are things getting easier? I told him to definitely come over for the 74 but canít really recommend the 76 unless things are changing.

Locke
08-13-2018, 02:51 PM
Have a buddy interviewing at K4 on 09/5. I believe itís for the 767. Has there been any improvements at all to the quality of life over there? Iím aware that the schedule is extremely exhausting, but as more people are trained are things getting easier? I told him to definitely come over for the 74 but canít really recommend the 76 unless things are changing.

Other than a few new routes and some new planes I wouldnít expect a huge change.

Thereís still no ETOPs cert, so itís still domestic night flying. There are some interesting rumors about Europe in the future, but Iíll beleive it when I see it.

LittleAbner
08-13-2018, 04:23 PM
Have a buddy interviewing at K4 on 09/5. I believe itís for the 767. Has there been any improvements at all to the quality of life over there? Iím aware that the schedule is extremely exhausting, but as more people are trained are things getting easier? I told him to definitely come over for the 74 but canít really recommend the 76 unless things are changing.

Hahahaha! Look at the lines for September and then youíll see how much fun the 767 is.

nitefr8dog
08-13-2018, 05:10 PM
Hahahaha! Look at the lines for September and then youíll see how much fun the 767 is.
Welcome to out and back domestic freight.....after a few weeks its like getting a root canal every few days for the next 20 yrs or so.

No Land 3
08-13-2018, 07:24 PM
Welcome to out and back domestic freight.....after a few weeks its like getting a root canal every few days for the next 20 yrs or so.

Sounds like regional hub and spoke, but on the back side of the clock. Suppose it's great for those that want to stay stateside, for now.

brasiliae120
08-14-2018, 04:24 PM
Anyone have a copy of the current CBA that they would share?
Thanks

FlyingAnvil
08-14-2018, 04:36 PM
I just tried to send a resume update to [email protected] and it bounced back ... any suggestions?

Riverside
08-14-2018, 04:53 PM
I just tried to send a resume update to [email protected] and it bounced back ... any suggestions?

Wait a few days, all work emails are down.

FlyingAnvil
08-14-2018, 05:05 PM
Wait a few days, all work emails are down.

Will do ... thanks!

MoarAlpha
08-14-2018, 06:18 PM
Anyone have a copy of the current CBA that they would share?
Thanks

PM Sent....

GIANT PILOT
08-14-2018, 07:06 PM
Anyone have a copy of the current CBA that they would share?
Thanks

Bump, I want to see what all the hype is all about????

jetlagging
08-15-2018, 12:21 AM
Anyone know about Kalitta getting 777s? Inquiring minds want to know. Anyone? How many and who will they be flying for? Will this be additional flying or replacing 747s?

crapper2
08-15-2018, 02:53 PM
Cant say to much but it will be an addition to the fleet with the first few arriving in OSC sometime late spring! I'm sure more info will be released later! Very exciting times at K4!

Birdsmash
08-15-2018, 05:43 PM
Cant say to much but it will be an addition to the fleet with the first few arriving in OSC sometime late spring! I'm sure more info will be released later! Very exciting times at K4!

I would expect Connie signing a deal with a Middleast carrier to operate and lease-to-own 777Fs. If they (EA) are short 777 pilots a US operator seems to be the perfect solution.

Just my $.02

flyer15
08-16-2018, 01:49 PM
I got a email from HR this morning saying my resume is under review, we will get back to you in 4-6 weeks. But the email looked like a scam email from all the jumble of words in it. I had to find the sentences that were positive. I wanted to know if people that got interviews, if this was a normal process. Thanks!

Locke
08-16-2018, 02:12 PM
I got a email from HR this morning saying my resume is under review, we will get back to you in 4-6 weeks. But the email looked like a scam email from all the jumble of words in it. I had to find the sentences that were positive. I wanted to know if people that got interviews, if this was a normal process. Thanks!

Did it say ďDear Applicant, your resume has been successfully moved into the second review stage. Please allow at least 4-6 weeks for further review. Please do not send an updated resume unless youíve had major career events (ie promotion, type rating, or change of employment status). Best of luck blah blahĒ ?

If so itís legit. Thereís been a major email outage this week, so everyone is doing this the hard way, and making temporary addresses. They may have lost their template as well and had to type it out last minute, although they should have done some proof reading.

Good luck with it

flyer15
08-16-2018, 02:44 PM
Yes that is exactly what it said. It was hidden in what looked like spam mail. Thanks, glad to hear itís legit! Iíd really enjoy working for them!!

saywhat
08-16-2018, 03:42 PM
I received the same jumbled up message this AM. I almost deleted it before I started to see real words in the mix of nonsense. It said exactly what was listed above.

Locke
08-16-2018, 03:53 PM
I received the same jumbled up message this AM. I almost deleted it before I started to see real words in the mix of nonsense. It said exactly what was listed above.

Unless thereís a joker out there with a special place in hell, itís legit.

Pilotski
08-16-2018, 04:08 PM
Got the same e mail today as well. Any insight as to what comes next/what to expect? Would it be the phone interview?

Locke
08-16-2018, 04:33 PM
Got the same e mail today as well. Any insight as to what comes next/what to expect? Would it be the phone interview?

Phone interview with ACP then invite to YIP for the face to face interview and testing. If itís changed recently, someone please correct me.

Pilotski
08-16-2018, 05:29 PM
Phone interview with ACP then invite to YIP for the face to face interview and testing. If itís changed recently, someone please correct me.

Thanks for the insight! Looking forward to it.

Agcat25
08-16-2018, 05:48 PM
I received same today. It probably indicates that you have met the basic minimum requirements.

bright yellow
08-16-2018, 08:57 PM
I did too.

Venkman
08-17-2018, 05:13 AM
I received the same yesterday. I applied as soon as I met the minimums about a month ago, so I'm betting this email isn't anything special. Still, one can hope!

Stimpy the Kat
08-17-2018, 10:41 AM
Interesting that so many got the same email in a "blast" type fashion.

I wonder if the IT/Email fiasco just became even more interesting...?

DOH!

STK

MoarAlpha
08-18-2018, 11:58 AM
Still waiting. Meh.

Those of you getting the email, what are your stats? 121/military?

Palmtree Pilot
08-18-2018, 01:57 PM
Interesting that so many got the same email in a "blast" type fashion.

I wonder if the IT/Email fiasco just became even more interesting...?

DOH!

STK

OR, maybe there has become a desperate need for more pilots...;)

No Land 3
08-18-2018, 04:08 PM
Could we start a seperate "hiring" thread so there isn't a constant flood of people diluting the content of this thread with questions on experience?

bright yellow
08-20-2018, 04:18 AM
Assuming I start the 16 days duty on the 1st of the month and ending on the 16th with 14 days off after (17th-30th). Is it possible that one bid for an off days from the 1st to the 14th for the following month linking 2 blocks of 14 days together?

sky jet
08-20-2018, 04:36 AM
Assuming I start the 16 days duty on the 1st of the month and ending on the 16th with 14 days off after (17th-30th). Is it possible that one bid for an off days from the 1st to the 14th for the following month linking 2 blocks of 14 days together?

Yes, if you can hold it and stand the 32 days in a row that might result from this bidding strategy you can essentially have a vacation of a month several times a year and never touch your vacation bank.

saxman66
08-20-2018, 06:37 AM
Whatís the parking situation? Does the company pay for you to park at the airport of your home airport while on the road?


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bright yellow
08-20-2018, 06:53 AM
Yes, if you can hold it and stand the 32 days in a row that might result from this bidding strategy you can essentially have a vacation of a month several times a year and never touch your vacation bank.

That's awesome! Thank you for the reply.

Lockheed
08-20-2018, 07:01 AM
Whatís the parking situation? Does the company pay for you to park at the airport of your home airport while on the road?


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Crewmembers are responsible for getting to and from their resident airport - no parking fees paid

Rumpel
08-20-2018, 01:02 PM
Last week, I got the email notifying me that my application has moved on to the second phase of review. I'm starting to prep for the interview, should I be looking at 121 regs or 135 regs or both?

Also, a question for current K4 pilots, do you guys change your sleep schedule when you are on days off to a normal, awake during daylight hours sort of schedule? Or do you remain on a night time schedule? Or does all of the time zone hopping make this a completely moot point?

Locke
08-20-2018, 01:36 PM
Last week, I got the email notifying me that my application has moved on to the second phase of review. I'm starting to prep for the interview, should I be looking at 121 regs or 135 regs or both?

Also, a question for current K4 pilots, do you guys change your sleep schedule when you are on days off to a normal, awake during daylight hours sort of schedule? Or do you remain on a night time schedule? Or does all of the time zone hopping make this a completely moot point?

121 sup
Sleep cycle depends on the person. I personally land and either hit the bar/breakfast with the crew or pass out. Wake up around 8 hours later and if something is open go get food.

There really isnít much of a point in adjusting to where you are because the next day youíll just change it by another 8-12 hours. Constantly adjusting will drive you mad. Sleep when youíre tired and eat when youíre hungry.

Riverside
08-20-2018, 01:37 PM
Last week, I got the email notifying me that my application has moved on to the second phase of review. I'm starting to prep for the interview, should I be looking at 121 regs or 135 regs or both?

Also, a question for current K4 pilots, do you guys change your sleep schedule when you are on days off to a normal, awake during daylight hours sort of schedule? Or do you remain on a night time schedule? Or does all of the time zone hopping make this a completely moot point?

Why study the regs? The interview itself is a get to know you. Minus the computer test. Sleep schedule is all over the place. Just depends where you are.

HercDriver130
08-20-2018, 02:40 PM
Last week, I got the email notifying me that my application has moved on to the second phase of review. I'm starting to prep for the interview, should I be looking at 121 regs or 135 regs or both?

Also, a question for current K4 pilots, do you guys change your sleep schedule when you are on days off to a normal, awake during daylight hours sort of schedule? Or do you remain on a night time schedule? Or does all of the time zone hopping make this a completely moot point?

Regs.... what regs....

Sleep... everybody figures out what works for them... those that dont... wont last.... as someone said above.... sleep when you are tired.. eat when you are hungry.. fly when they tell you too.. and go home ON time ALL the time....

BFMthisA10
08-20-2018, 03:40 PM
For some perspective on the sleep schedules:
A few years ago I did shift work. With a family and obligations, it was miserable. I was actually concerned about my health. The World Health Organization has named shift work among known carcinogens. It sucked royally, straight up.

Take this with a grain of salt given that I just started here: this is not shift work. Not even close. While I will echo the above comment that ďgetting on a sleep scheduleĒ is next to pointless, Iíll add that by about day 8 you canít actually define what if any circadian rhythm you might be on...I also found that I was sleeping way more than I have just about any other time in recent memory. Felt ready to go when it was my turn, slept good when I had the opportunity, either in the bunk or at the hotel. As one instructor put it:
Sleep when youíre tired
Eat when youíre hungry
Work out when you can
No joke, if you show up and youíre out of schlitz, say so; thereís two or three other pilots that probably are cool taking the first watch.
Now, night hub turns on the other hand donít sound fun (see shift work above).

goinaround
08-20-2018, 04:22 PM
Last week, I got the email notifying me that my application has moved on to the second phase of review. I'm starting to prep for the interview, should I be looking at 121 regs or 135 regs or both?

Also, a question for current K4 pilots, do you guys change your sleep schedule when you are on days off to a normal, awake during daylight hours sort of schedule? Or do you remain on a night time schedule? Or does all of the time zone hopping make this a completely moot point?

Like our A-10 friend above, I've also done shift work (probably doing the same thing). I've also had the lovely experience of doing night hub turns. Long haul is much more gentle on one's sensibilities. I actually wrote a research paper on "shift-work disorder". Your body can never actually adapt to back side of the clock. It's just not chemically possible. However, there is a lot more room to mitigate fatigue when doing longer flights with an augmented crew. Wouldn't worry about it too much.

No Land 3
08-21-2018, 12:18 AM
...

Also, a question for current K4 pilots, do you guys change your sleep schedule when you are on days off to a normal, awake during daylight hours sort of schedule? Or do you remain on a night time schedule? Or does all of the time zone hopping make this a completely moot point?

It varies across the board on the 747, your clock can get scrambled, and sometimes it doesnt. Sometimes you come home and can only sleep four hours at a time. Sometimes you go to sleep at 7pm and wake up at 3am for a week. Day/night schedule is as meaningful as knowing what day of the week it is, because of all the time zone changes.
It basically comes down to sleeping when tired, eating when hungry, with disregard to what the sun is doing. Sometimes you need to force yourself to go to bed when not tired because you need six hours of sleep before starting your 10 hour long flight during the time you'd normally want to go to bed.
Not trying to scare anyone off, we do not have part 117(thankfully), it's a different world than a regional that primarily flies during the day, and it is completely different from UPS and Fed Ex as well.
It is truly a mixed bag(on the 747)

spartan333
08-21-2018, 01:00 PM
Is the IT fiasco still in full swing? Got invited for the September 5th interview and haven't received the follow up email from HR yet.

BarryBuchman
08-21-2018, 01:13 PM
Two questions and please excuse me if it has been asked already. What is the maximum age for getting hired, if any, and would it be a negative when I apply if I want to commute from South Africa for the first few years until I am able to move to the USA permanently?

Lockheed
08-21-2018, 01:30 PM
Two questions and please excuse me if it has been asked already. What is the maximum age for getting hired, if any, and would it be a negative when I apply if I want to commute from South Africa for the first few years until I am able to move to the USA permanently?

there is no maximum age
a guy 62 was just hired
hopefully my friend -59 -will get hired

Living in SA shouldn't be a problem - just understand your 16 days at work will be 20 for you
you have to be able to be at your resident airport in the US to start and end your days on

BarryBuchman
08-21-2018, 01:40 PM
there is no maximum age
a guy 62 was just hired
hopefully my friend -59 -will get hired

Living in SA shouldn't be a problem - just understand your 16 days at work will be 20 for you
you have to be able to be at your resident airport in the US to start and end your days on

Thanks. My airline is offering early retirement packages and that would include unlimited ID90's which I could use to get to JFK or IAD. I'm turning 52 next month, have 17000 hours including around 4000 as FO on the B744. I have 2000 hours command time on the A320 and currently flying as FO on the A330/A340 fleet. My long range command is around 3 years away if I stay at my current airline but I don't see a future for my kids in South Africa so I'm hoping to move to the USA with them within the next 3 years.

spartan333
08-21-2018, 01:40 PM
Has anyone gotten an email from HR for the September 5th interviews? I believe they've been having IT problems lately...

Melb3049
08-21-2018, 01:46 PM
Does K4 have reciprocal jumpseat agreements with other carriers?

Riverside
08-21-2018, 02:16 PM
Does K4 have reciprocal jumpseat agreements with other carriers?

Ja

Filler

Melb3049
08-21-2018, 02:35 PM
Ja

Filler



What does that mean???

lionflyer
08-21-2018, 02:41 PM
What does that mean???

K4 does have jumpseat agreements with just about everyone.

Melb3049
08-21-2018, 02:42 PM
Thank you very much for that.

Riverside
08-21-2018, 03:25 PM
What does that mean???

What about si or oui?

trip
08-21-2018, 03:55 PM
What about si or oui?

kkkkkkkkkk!

Firefly899
08-21-2018, 05:11 PM
Is IOE backed up?

Riverside
08-21-2018, 06:18 PM
Is IOE backed up?

About a month wait for OE.

B727DRVR
08-21-2018, 07:33 PM
Do you guys have KCM?

How about ID90's? I figured, probably not, but it is worth asking..


Thanks.

sky jet
08-21-2018, 07:48 PM
Does K4 have reciprocal jumpseat agreements with other carriers?

Yes, however not all carriers allow international jump seating so if you are asking about living overseas you need to factor that into your decision.

Locke
08-21-2018, 08:37 PM
Do you guys have KCM?

How about ID90's? I figured, probably not, but it is worth asking..


Thanks.

KCM yes. ID90 no

Firefly899
08-22-2018, 03:39 AM
How junior are back to back rotations going?

maxjet
08-22-2018, 03:52 AM
How junior are back to back rotations going?

I have been at K4 since 2011. I have always been on the bottom 50% of either the FO or CA list. I have worked back to back December and January every year. Pilots hired 8 months before me have never worked it. You would very seldom see a back to back during the rest of the year unless you chose to do it to get 30days off in between.

Firefly899
08-22-2018, 04:39 AM
Thanks Max, appreciate the quick reply.

Roverruckus
08-22-2018, 04:48 AM
Do you guys have reciprocal international jumpseat (cabin backfilled) agreement with American? They seem to be pretty picky about that but seeing as they can do international on you guys it would only be fair.

HercDriver130
08-22-2018, 05:19 AM
Thanks. My airline is offering early retirement packages and that would include unlimited ID90's which I could use to get to JFK or IAD. I'm turning 52 next month, have 17000 hours including around 4000 as FO on the B744. I have 2000 hours command time on the A320 and currently flying as FO on the A330/A340 fleet. My long range command is around 3 years away if I stay at my current airline but I don't see a future for my kids in South Africa so I'm hoping to move to the USA with them within the next 3 years.

We have a current pilot here who is from South Africa, but lives in the states now. He might have some insight for you.

As well, we had an FE who lived in Cape Town the last few years before we furloughed them all. He mitigated some of the commuting issue by bidding back to backs so he essentially under todays contract would work 32 on... 28/30 off.. and thus only commuted to the states 6 times a year.

HercDriver130
08-22-2018, 05:21 AM
How junior are back to back rotations going?

I was hired about 5 months before Max.. I had ONE back to back in my first year with the company. I have never had one since. 90% of the time... guys getting them get them because they bid them for various reasons, or they screwed up their bid...or in very small instances.... its all they could hold.

Firefly899
08-22-2018, 05:40 AM
Reason for asking is I am looking at starting OE hopefully late October or early Nov. With that being said can anyone elaborate on how long OE typically runs, will I get a breather coming off before going to line or could I expect an immediate back to back in December?

Locke
08-22-2018, 06:17 AM
Reason for asking is I am looking at starting OE hopefully late October or early Nov. With that being said can anyone elaborate on how long OE typically runs, will I get a breather coming off before going to line or could I expect an immediate back to back in December?
OE takes 1 month generally (1 rotation). What will happen is you will get the sign off too late into the month to bid for the next month so you will be assigned a reserve line for that month. Request second half and youíll get a couple weeks off.

Firefly899
08-22-2018, 06:22 AM
OE takes 1 month generally (1 rotation). What will happen is you will get the sign off too late into the month to bid for the next month so you will be assigned a reserve line for that month. Request second half and youíll get a couple weeks off.

Thanks Locke, request IOE second half of November??? What exactly am I requesting. Much appreciated!!!!

Locke
08-22-2018, 06:27 AM
Thanks Locke, request IOE second half of November??? What exactly am I requesting. Much appreciated!!!!

No, OE will be assigned based on check airman availability. You have no say. Once it is done talk to the head of scheduling and request a reserve line for the second half of December.

No Land 3
08-22-2018, 07:43 AM
How junior are back to back rotations going?

I was hired in 2016, I have never worked a back to back any time of the year unless by choice.

crapper2
08-22-2018, 07:56 AM
Do you guys have reciprocal international jumpseat (cabin backfilled) agreement with American? They seem to be pretty picky about that but seeing as they can do international on you guys it would only be fair.

Last time I was told no international on American. Delta as long as no visa is required (Brazil,China) United has no restrictions and is what I normally use

maxjet
08-22-2018, 08:01 AM
[QUOTE=No Land 3;2659793]I was hired in 2016, I have never worked a back to back any time of the year unless by choice.[/QUOTE

Yes, we have hired so many FOís since 2016 I can see how you got so lucky. There were only 2 classes hired behind me in 2011 and none until 2015. Bottom is the bottom. I donít like pilots coming here thinking the wonít have to work back to back. If they get lucky then great. Kinda like picking a job on what pilots get a month right now in hours instead of planning for min guarantee

Stimpy the Kat
08-22-2018, 11:57 AM
I'll back that up...Plan on having to do 32 days and making only guarantee. You will be pleasantly surprised if that only happens now and again over a few years.

I was late 2010 hire and never had to do a back-to-back schedule.

I did a 22 day stint once, with a lead in/split line, but that was by choice.

There's fairly good flexibility if you are just bidding days off.

STK

Jefferson
08-22-2018, 01:17 PM
I'll back that up...Plan on having to do 32 days and making only guarantee. You will be pleasantly surprised if that only happens now and again over a few years.


STK

I thought the new contract eliminated back to back 16 day trips.