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12345678
07-27-2018, 10:05 AM
I have the CJO with OO and was given the 175. Hoping for ORD fairly quickly out of training but I know LGA has been the case for most. After reserve, how commutable will the trips out of ORD be on the 175 while still being fairly junior? I'm looking at a 30 min drive to my local airport with 4 flights a day on OO birds (200).

Also considering RAH, however that would be a 2 hour drive to a commute until my wife and I can move (family circumstances). Obviously their QOL is better with trip efficiency, no junior manning, and I hear their commuter clause adds to that as well, but since OO doesn't have a commuter clause does really cause issues for people?


Coriolis147
07-27-2018, 04:11 PM
Iíve been commuting SEA-ORD for 3 months with no issues. Most of my trips are commutable on both ends.

Cefiro
07-28-2018, 01:08 PM
Iím pretty junior and next month all my trips are commutable sans one on the back end.


12345678
07-29-2018, 05:19 AM
Have either of you ever missed the commute? Whatís the process for that without a commute clause? Could either one of you pm me a picture or description of your trips with start and end times and legs a day etc?

zondaracer
07-29-2018, 06:13 AM
If you canít make the commute, you just call the company. They assign your trip to a reserve. If you can rejoin the trip then you get back on the trip and they charge you user time for the part that you missed. User time is basically sick time. If a line holder picks up your trip then you canít rejoin the trip. If you call out with less than a 2 hour notice for your trip, then they could put a note on your schedule. Too many call outs and you will get called in to the chief pilotís office.

Cefiro
07-29-2018, 06:42 AM
I havenít missed a commute but like the previous poster said we donít have a policy so itís pretty flexible. As long as your smart about it ie give yourself more than one option, if thereís a snowstorm headed for ORD go in the night before, etc....you shouldnít have any issues.

Coriolis147
07-29-2018, 09:30 AM
Sent you a PM

Fixnem2Flyinem
07-29-2018, 01:00 PM
I missed a commute, gave myself 4 flight options and when I didnít think it was going to work I called the company. Guess how that turned out?? Iím no longer at SkyWest and am way better off at another regional anyway. It was a blessing in disguise to be honest. Iím not saying donít go to SkyWest, but Iím not saying you will never sweat a commute there either. If there is nothing in black and white to cover your butt, ďflexibilityĒ is at the companies discretion. Letís say you were sick twice in one month, then missed a commute shortly after. The company will gun for ya and there isnít much you can do about it besides bring your own KY bottle. Other airlines have bases in ORD, higher pay and this excellent thing called union protection which includes contracts that have commuter clauses and some even have hotel coverage for commuters. Choose wisely is all Iím saying..

Now I should be leaving before Kool-Aid central shows up saying I was just a bad egg and not to listen to me because I donít tell the whole story. Which I have told, in detail.

12345678
07-29-2018, 02:06 PM
When you called in sick on probation, did they require a doctors note right away? Before being fired did they talk To you with a warning?

Fixnem2Flyinem
07-29-2018, 02:27 PM
When you called in sick on probation, did they require a doctors note right away? Before being fired did they talk To you with a warning?

They didnít require a doctors note for the sick calls initially. It wasnít until I talked to my CP that any sick calls I had came up along with the missed commute. At that point they asked if there were any doctors notes. That part was on me, I didnít go see the doctor when I got sick from my crash pad nor when I rolled my ankle pretty bad working out. I did not get warned previously, I never even talked with my CP or any supervisor for that matter previous to the meeting that resulted in my departure. It really felt like a 0-10 escalation and I had a chance of explaining myself but their minds were already made up. My CP said and I quote... ďAfter talking with you, you seem like an honest person but my hands are tiedĒ. That was because his boss wanted me to go, his boss who was the VP of Flight Ops. I was also told ďI canít tell you not to call in sick, but back when I was on probation Iíd have to be on my deathbed to call in sickĒ. I thought that was interesting to say when there is clearly a regulation against pilots flying a plane when not fit to do so, a regulation that can be used against you if you in fact work while not fit and anything happens that requires investigation...

12345678
07-29-2018, 02:48 PM
Iím sorry to hear that happened, hopefully it didnít screw you in finding a new job?

From that Iíll take the lesson of always get a dr. note, especially on probabtion.

Fixnem2Flyinem
07-29-2018, 02:54 PM
Iím sorry to hear that happened, hopefully it didnít screw you in finding a new job?

From that Iíll take the lesson of always get a dr. note, especially on probabtion.

Thatís all Iím getting at, if you work for OO and call in sick get a doctors note even if itís the smallest thing. Take the copay hit and cover your butt. Email the note to your CP even if they donít ask because they may use it against you if you have any future issues. Many at OO will say if it looks like you could miss your commute, just to call in sick. That is one of those calls you need to make based on your own values and integrity though. I couldnít do it personally but maybe that would have saved me... who knows

I was able to get a job at another regional within two weeks of leaving OO and Iíll be on a pathway list to their major airline soon hopefully. Iím pretty sure thatís my only chance out of a regional because of what happened at OO. Thatís a hard one to explain at an interview for sure... ďTell me how you managed to get let go from a regional when they were all so desperate to keep pilots??Ē Yeah not good, I can kiss ever being a Delta or United pilot goodbye.

12345678
07-29-2018, 03:05 PM
Noted, thanks for the advice! Wherever someone goes that should also be the case. Glad you got on at a WO at least. Good luck in your future endeavors (no pun intended)

Fixnem2Flyinem
07-29-2018, 03:08 PM
Noted, thanks for the advice! Wherever someone goes that should also be the case. Glad you got on at a WO at least. Good luck in your future endeavors (no pun intended)

Haha thanks and good luck to you! Safe flying

saxman66
07-31-2018, 03:10 PM
They didnít require a doctors note for the sick calls initially. It wasnít until I talked to my CP that any sick calls I had came up along with the missed commute. At that point they asked if there were any doctors notes. That part was on me, I didnít go see the doctor when I got sick from my crash pad nor when I rolled my ankle pretty bad working out. I did not get warned previously, I never even talked with my CP or any supervisor for that matter previous to the meeting that resulted in my departure. It really felt like a 0-10 escalation and I had a chance of explaining myself but their minds were already made up. My CP said and I quote... ďAfter talking with you, you seem like an honest person but my hands are tiedĒ. That was because his boss wanted me to go, his boss who was the VP of Flight Ops. I was also told ďI canít tell you not to call in sick, but back when I was on probation Iíd have to be on my deathbed to call in sickĒ. I thought that was interesting to say when there is clearly a regulation against pilots flying a plane when not fit to do so, a regulation that can be used against you if you in fact work while not fit and anything happens that requires investigation...

I think it's BS what happened to you. You made more than a reasonable effort to get to work as I've read your story numerous times. The FAA did indeed bring the hammer down on a crew once. The well known prop in the jet bridge incident a few years ago. The FO had told the CA that was going to call in sick when they got to LAX. This was said on the CVR before they departed and the FAA caught it. It was probably just a minor sick call that had little to do with the incident, but they sure went after him for it because we "wasn't fit to fly" in the first place.



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