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Stinger6
07-29-2018, 11:22 AM
Ummm...what IS that?
I went looking to scope out the possibility of bidding PDX for Rocktober. I know it's early, I just wanted to imagine the splendour...and I came across Flight Path II (as opposed to vacancy bidding) for Oct.

Oh, I'm so behind. I can't find ANY "any" key. I didn't even finish Flight Path Un and already there's a Deux.

Answers?


snackysmores
07-29-2018, 12:14 PM
I have no idea, is it another rah rah koolaid seminar? Last year the pilots were banned from going because the posters we made during Arts and Crafts time were too negative

Stinger6
07-29-2018, 12:41 PM
I have no idea, is it another rah rah koolaid seminar? Last year the pilots were banned from going because the posters we made during Arts and Crafts time were too negative

The counselors say I am making good progress...I may get the crayon box with the built-in sharpener for posters! They say it's too early for markers (sniffing), pencils of color (stabbing) and glue (eating), but otherwise I fit right in at QX.


cactusflyer
07-29-2018, 11:25 PM
Someone probably figured that since we have Shiny Jets (going to Pasco), there's no possible way the QX pilots are still disgruntled and sarcastic, and we certainly have nothing but deep and abiding respect for North Brad and his minions.

I wonder how asking "Since Alaska sponsored a concert to raise awareness of homelessness in Seattle, why do they throw a tantrum every time someone suggests they pay a living wage?" would go over?

snackysmores
07-30-2018, 09:31 AM
We'll see how long we are invited after we show up with our dank memes.

trc8301
07-30-2018, 02:42 PM
Someone probably figured that since we have Shiny Jets (going to Pasco), there's no possible way the QX pilots are still disgruntled and sarcastic, and we certainly have nothing but deep and abiding respect for North Brad and his minions.

I wonder how asking "Since Alaska sponsored a concert to raise awareness of homelessness in Seattle, why do they throw a tantrum every time someone suggests they pay a living wage?" would go over?

Hey now, unless I read it wrong (still fairly new to PBS, highly likely) there aren't even turns to PSC for September in the jet.

DjHubberts
08-02-2018, 10:10 AM
So much for coming on here and getting people in the know as to what this might be.... other than bidding on days from 1230-1830....

DashAviator
08-02-2018, 11:49 AM
Snacky had it right the first time - it's just a company koolaid meeting. I managed to get out of the last "mandatory" company cultural seminar (QX Factor), but had to go to Flightpath I. The only semi-productive thing to come out of the meeting was having lunch with one of our Dispatchers.

It's funny that the company hasn't sent out anything about Flightpath II. Our managers must know that most pilots view it as a total waste of time, so perhaps they just put it up on Flica and hoped most people would miss it. I'm hoping to procrastinate long enough for the company to run out of Q400 captains, which means I can go fly airplanes instead of hearing six hours of meaningless management-speak.

snackysmores
08-02-2018, 12:20 PM
It will probably be credited low enough to force an extra 2-3 day trip on our lines...

Dashdrvr
08-04-2018, 08:46 AM
Snacky had it right the first time - it's just a company koolaid meeting. I managed to get out of the last "mandatory" company cultural seminar (QX Factor), but had to go to Flightpath I. The only semi-productive thing to come out of the meeting was having lunch with one of our Dispatchers.

It's funny that the company hasn't sent out anything about Flightpath II. Our managers must know that most pilots view it as a total waste of time, so perhaps they just put it up on Flica and hoped most people would miss it. I'm hoping to procrastinate long enough for the company to run out of Q400 captains, which means I can go fly airplanes instead of hearing six hours of meaningless management-speak.

The secret to delay if not going all together is bid Pass in FLICA. I did that last time for QX factor. Never went. Of course it was common knowledge the company only expected 75-80 percent of the pilots would attend due to staffing.
Knowing how FLICA works. 1. Takes the people who bid to go. 2. eliminates those that bid Pass. 3. Then drafts those that don't bid.

Stinger6
08-04-2018, 11:58 AM
The secret to delay if not going all together is bid Pass in FLICA. I did that last time for QX factor. Never went. Of course it was common knowledge the company only expected 75-80 percent of the pilots would attend due to staffing.
Knowing how FLICA works. 1. Takes the people who bid to go. 2. eliminates those that bid Pass. 3. Then drafts those that don't bid.

I feel like this may be a ruse...like, a get the new pilot to go make posters gag. Why would you share such a valuable strategy in such a public way? Most guys would be like "Dude, they picked you for Flight Path? Bummer."

Also, skipping QX Factor means you also skipped the awesome water bottle. Unless you have a secret for that, too... ... ... ?

Dashdrvr
08-06-2018, 09:59 PM
I feel like this may be a ruse...like, a get the new pilot to go make posters gag. Why would you share such a valuable strategy in such a public way? Most guys would be like "Dude, they picked you for Flight Path? Bummer."

Also, skipping QX Factor means you also skipped the awesome water bottle. Unless you have a secret for that, too... ... ... ?
No person should have sit through the agony of Flightpath unless one likes KoolAid.Thatís another conversation.

fivebyfive
08-07-2018, 03:52 PM
No person should have sit through the agony of Flightpath unless one likes KoolAid.Thatís another conversation.

Peoplefirm has advised AG to be proactive by sending a flood of Koolaid at pilots to mitigate the backlash that will be caused by OO flying 88 seat E175 E2ís under their banner. OO has already ordered 100 with options for 100 more.

amcnd
08-07-2018, 06:27 PM
Peoplefirm has advised AG to be proactive by sending a flood of Koolaid at pilots to mitigate the backlash that will be caused by OO flying 88 seat E175 E2ís under their banner. OO has already ordered 100 with options for 100 more.

All those E2ís are convertible to ďregularĒ generation E175ís..

fivebyfive
08-08-2018, 04:39 AM
All those E2ís are convertible to ďregularĒ generation E175ís..

Sure they are. OO went with the larger and heavier E2 only to pull the seats out and burn more gas.

word302
08-08-2018, 06:55 AM
Sure they are. OO went with the larger and heavier E2 only to pull the seats out and burn more gas.

Uhhh. OO canít fly the E2 for any carrier due to scope limitations it has with Delta and United. QX is literally the only company that could fly them currently.

GUFN
08-08-2018, 09:01 AM
Uhhh. OO canít fly the E2 for any carrier due to scope limitations it has with Delta and United. QX is literally the only company that could fly them currently.

Alaskaís Airlines has NO scope. Silly suckers.

word302
08-08-2018, 09:16 AM
Alaska’s Airlines has NO scope. Silly suckers.

Correct, but Delta and United's scope (maybe American's too) limits the weight/size of aircraft that it's regional partners can fly for anyone (because they're not idiots). Which is why I said QX is the only regional that could operate E2s due to the lack of scope at Alaska and that being the only operator QX flies for.

snackysmores
08-08-2018, 09:16 AM
Alaskaís Airlines has NO scope. Silly suckers.

I think what he means is DL and UAL have told OO they can't fly bigger RJs for competitors even if they have no scope, for anti competition purposes... Am I right Word?

word302
08-08-2018, 09:18 AM
I think what he means is DL and UAL have told OO they can't fly bigger RJs for competitors even if they have no scope, for anti competition purposes... Am I right Word?

Correct. That goes for all regionals operating for everyone other than Alaska.

GUFN
08-08-2018, 09:42 AM
Correct. That goes for all regionals operating for everyone other than Alaska.

Aah, got it. Context is every.

Stinger6
08-09-2018, 10:34 AM
Correct. That goes for all regionals operating for everyone other than Alaska.


I just feel like this has drifted from my original question (What is FlightPath II?).

We now seem to be answering a different set of questions:
How can things suck more?
WHY is FlightPath II?

...but by all means...drift. I'm just happy to be here.

DashAviator
08-09-2018, 12:26 PM
I vaguely remember Flightpath I. It basically consists of a bunch of mid-level managers talking about fleet plans, financial metrics (i.e., we need to get our costs down), fuel hedging, possible new markets, etc. That's just the semi-interesting stuff. I may have dozed off during part of the meeting. I was annoyed when the "hall monitor" busted me for looking up something on my iPad.

Why is Flightpath? The usual answer: To lower employee expectations. Another possible answer: To demonstrate "employee engagement". Yes, our mid-level managers actually get graded on that stuff.

The whole thing is a colossal waste of time. The original Flightpath supposedly cost over $1000 per person. Can't we just take the money?

SIUav8er
08-18-2018, 11:09 AM
Apparently this time time around, its more focused on company "culture" instead of operational stuff like flightpath I. To me it sounds like a continuation of QX factor, except its for all of AAG.

Total waste of time and money for flight crew. Inflight, customer service, etc... I can understand to a degree.

Im bidding to go just to waste time. 5 hours of credit to do no work is fine with me

Whatmeworry
08-25-2018, 08:29 PM
Hey, it could be like some of the other Regionals who really donít give a crap about pilots or how they fit into the plan.... it rhymes with messa.....

snackysmores
08-25-2018, 08:38 PM
Hey, it could be like some of the other Regionals who really donít give a crap about pilots or how they fit into the plan.... it rhymes with messa.....

They don't give a crap about us or how we fit into the plan, they just want us to be quiet and stop posting snarky comments on the company website.

OneMore
12-13-2018, 05:16 PM
Does anyone have any more thoughts, opinions or impressions about this?

ASpilot2be
12-13-2018, 07:20 PM
Does anyone have any more thoughts, opinions or impressions about this?

https://i.imgur.com/4YGU0AN.jpg

DashAviator
12-14-2018, 06:58 AM
One of the flight attendants on my most recent trip went to Flight Path in November. She reported that (1) it was a total waste of time, (2) they didn't say anything much about Horizon, and (3) the food wasn't very good. The last one is a deal-breaker for me.

BigfatQ
12-14-2018, 10:52 AM
I heard from a mechanic that the food was very good;-)



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