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stroopwaffle
08-05-2018, 08:46 AM
Ok, so that email was depressing.

We can't get paid more? Well, you better get to work on a restructure of that turd of a TA to fully increase our QOL. Morale is at an all time low. For retaining junior pilots and hiring new pilots they need to see AWAC as a "good" regional to work for. My thoughts as a commuter, and only off the top of my head.

-No more junior mans or involuntary extensions into a day off while on a trip. Period. They can make it MY choice to take.

-No more CDO's, or for the fools that like them put a mileage cap so they are short (not like the PHL-MKE CDO's)

-More pilot leverage with schedule swaps.

-Obviously reserve rules need some changes, because upgrade bypassers will keep new captains on reserve longer.

-No more (or significantly reduced) early start/late finish trips. Most people here commute, they could easily make schedules commutable and the pilot group would be instantly happy and possibly more willing to go to outstation bases.

-Bring back the stroopwaffles!


StrykerB21
08-05-2018, 08:51 AM
If things go well I'll be voting with my feet soon.

bscott58d
08-05-2018, 09:00 AM
Ok, so that email was depressing.

We can't get paid more? Well, you better get to work on a restructure of that turd of a TA to fully increase our QOL. Morale is at an all time low. For retaining junior pilots and hiring new pilots they need to see AWAC as a "good" regional to work for. My thoughts as a commuter, and only off the top of my head.

-No more junior mans or involuntary extensions into a day off while on a trip. Period. They can make it MY choice to take.

-No more CDO's, or for the fools that like them put a mileage cap so they are short (not like the PHL-MKE CDO's)

-More pilot leverage with schedule swaps.

-Obviously reserve rules need some changes, because upgrade bypassers will keep new captains on reserve longer.

-No more (or significantly reduced) early start/late finish trips. Most people here commute, they could easily make schedules commutable and the pilot group would be instantly happy and possibly more willing to go to outstation bases.

-Bring back the stroopwaffles!

Mind elaborating on the email you reference?


Day4mx
08-05-2018, 02:26 PM
Ok, so that email was depressing.

We can't get paid more? Well, you better get to work on a restructure of that turd of a TA to fully increase our QOL. Morale is at an all time low. For retaining junior pilots and hiring new pilots they need to see AWAC as a "good" regional to work for. My thoughts as a commuter, and only off the top of my head.

-No more junior mans or involuntary extensions into a day off while on a trip. Period. They can make it MY choice to take.

-No more CDO's, or for the fools that like them put a mileage cap so they are short (not like the PHL-MKE CDO's)

-More pilot leverage with schedule swaps.

-Obviously reserve rules need some changes, because upgrade bypassers will keep new captains on reserve longer.

-No more (or significantly reduced) early start/late finish trips. Most people here commute, they could easily make schedules commutable and the pilot group would be instantly happy and possibly more willing to go to outstation bases.

-Bring back the stroopwaffles!

So you are trying to say a cae base with 445 shows and 2347 releases and limited connectivity for commuting isnt going to help recruiting and retaining pilots?

IFLYACRJ
08-06-2018, 06:09 AM
ďIf you see a fork in the road, take it.Ē

Yogi Berra



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tonsterboy5
08-06-2018, 08:51 AM
ďWe have no more money to give youĒ Thatís fine with me, but stop throwing $2000 a month into my health insurance I donít want, convert that in to the pay and give us the option for a lower cost healthcare. There is no doubt the contract has lots of money in it, itís just set up to attract older applicants in poor health that have no desire to go a major. I guess thatís how they want and like it.

Day4mx
08-06-2018, 09:39 AM
ďWe have no more money to give youĒ Thatís fine with me, but stop throwing $2000 a month into my health insurance I donít want, convert that in to the pay and give us the option for a lower cost healthcare. There is no doubt the contract has lots of money in it, itís just set up to attract older applicants in poor health that have no desire to go a major. I guess thatís how they want and like it.


Its been said multiple times the vast majority of our pilot group is signifigantly overinsured based on current coverage. Rather have the cash as well.

stroopwaffle
08-06-2018, 10:22 AM
Mind elaborating on the email you reference?

Email from the union boiled down to "We (union and company) cant give you any more than what is on this contract, but it may be possible to restructure the current TA"

The TA has value of a+b+c+d=X

We can change a to f, and c to q, but it all has to equal X.


Ok... So lets get to work to modify this TA to have the most QOL as possible, addressing the points I have put, and whatever else we want that will increase QOL if we can't increase pay. We are in a tight spot because the outcome was split 50/50 so the leverage we had is gone (probably started with the retention bonuses of 2016)

Looking forward to the ALPA survey

havick206
08-06-2018, 12:47 PM
Email from the union boiled down to "We (union and company) cant give you any more than what is on this contract, but it may be possible to restructure the current TA"

The TA has value of a+b+c+d=X

We can change a to f, and c to q, but it all has to equal X.


Ok... So lets get to work to modify this TA to have the most QOL as possible, addressing the points I have put, and whatever else we want that will increase QOL if we can't increase pay. We are in a tight spot because the outcome was split 50/50 so the leverage we had is gone (probably started with the retention bonuses of 2016)

Looking forward to the ALPA survey

If the company underbid a contract without foresight of current market conditions then theyíre dumbasses. Iím not in your shoes but Iíd let them burn for being so shortsighted or plain stupid.

idlethrust
08-06-2018, 04:29 PM
If the company underbid a contract without foresight of current market conditions then theyíre dumbasses. Iím not in your shoes but Iíd let them burn for being so shortsighted or plain stupid.
Thatís exactly what happened.
We definitely need new management, someone who thinks outside the box and can correctly position this company for growth .These people obviously canít do it.

BitterOHFO
08-08-2018, 06:45 PM
Thatís exactly what happened.
We definitely need new management, someone who thinks outside the box and can correctly position this company for growth .These people obviously canít do it.

Well during my ground school in 2014 they were bragging about wanting to be the last CRJ operator. To me that's short sighted thinking when the "investors" can afford bringing a new airframe on property. I left in 2016 for greener pastures.

If anything Comair proved the days of the CRJ200 were numbered. That was 6 years ago when we shutdown. I left AWAC due to the uncertainty at the time. Seemed headed down the Comair path until the United flying was announced. Enjoyed my time there. Sad to see whats happening!

Now GOjet can kiss my ass! They helped my demise at Comair by under bidding the flying to get in the delta door! Had to ride jumpseat a few times recently on planes I flew at Comair! Sad really!

Don't miss the regionals or flying passengers period! I'm staying in cargo!



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