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queue
08-05-2018, 11:25 AM
This needs to include pilots too...

The docket: https://www.leagle.com/decision/infdco20161108c43


The easier reading version: https://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/articles/california_labor_law/flight-attendants-anticipate-60-million-award-california-labor-l-22955.html

Can't wait for ALPA to follow suit and also start litigation under the same grounds. This industry needs to change.

San Francisco, CA. Several years after a Federal District Court certified a class of 1,400 Virgin America flight attendants who alleged that their employer violated numerous California state labor laws (https://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/lawsuit/california_labor_law.html), U.S. District Court Judge Jon S. Tigar has granted them summary judgment. The flight attendants claimed that they were paid based on a “block time” schedule, which would begin when they arrived at the gate, and end when they left the gate. This meant that they were not paid for time spent writing up incident reports before and after flights, undergoing mandatory training, taking required drug tests, and waiting for passengers to board and deplane. They also allege that they were not provided with accurate wage statements. The flight attendants have now prevailed in their motion for summary judgment, and the case will proceed for the limited purpose of establishing exactly how much they are owed.


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symbian simian
08-05-2018, 12:28 PM
This needs to include pilots too...

The docket: https://www.leagle.com/decision/infdco20161108c43


The easier reading version: https://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/articles/california_labor_law/flight-attendants-anticipate-60-million-award-california-labor-l-22955.html

Can't wait for ALPA to follow suit and also start litigation under the same grounds. This industry needs to change.




This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

Having worked outside of the USA the way we are paid has always bugged me, I work hardest when I am not getting paid, and make a lot of easy money in cruise (don't even get me started on SWA, where you get paid 55 minutes for the first 243SM, and 5 minutes for every 40 miles thereafter or something like that).
If I fly:
- one 8 hour leg I work 9:15 hours and get paid 8:00, easy day.
- 8 one hour legs with 30 min turns I work 12:45 and get paid 8:00, hard work.
- two 1 hour legs with an 8 hour sit I work 11:15 and get paid for 2, horrible.
Some of this is resolve with rigs, but i would still be much happier with something like:
Every hour of movement = one hour pay (on a per minute base)
Every leg = half hour of pay
Every hour of FDP - 1/2hour/leg while not moving = quarter hour of pay
Add trip/duty rigs.

Name User
08-05-2018, 04:19 PM
Kiss your "$300/hr" bragging rights gone.


say again
08-05-2018, 04:21 PM
Why is this in the JetBlue forum? Put it where it belongs...:rolleyes:

queue
08-05-2018, 05:25 PM
Why is this in the JetBlue forum? Put it where it belongs...:rolleyes:


Because you are paid the same way. This lawsuit should be expanded to include pilots as well.



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aldonite7667
08-06-2018, 05:21 AM
Our FA’s are paid 15 minutes at their pay rate for their work during boarding and deplaning.

PasserOGas
08-06-2018, 06:33 AM
Our FA’s are paid 15 minutes at their pay rate for their work during boarding and deplaning.

Maybe, but we aren't.

queue
08-06-2018, 07:25 AM
Maybe, but we aren't.


Not to mention that it's a nightmare to change your duty off time in the case you had to stay beyond 15 minutes after shutting down. JETCRW should allow you to modify your duty on/duty off time without having to spend 1 hr on your personal/un-reimbursed cell phone to perform an employer related task. Likewise, if you have to write a report of any kind or come in to talk to a CP, that too is duty and you should be paid for it. They pay you for pee tests and online training yet not for other things. They are picking and choosing and they should not be allowed to get away with that. And... FAs always take longer than 15 mins, particularly with "blue turns". They too have no mechanism for documenting extra minutes. If they were government workers, they would be suing the government for even a single extra minute of work (this is not an exaggeration!). We have to stop subsidizing our employer through personally sponsored corporate welfare. If you can't run a business paying your bills, it's a badly run business.

ALPA get on this... we pay you a fortune.

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Bluetruth
08-07-2018, 01:35 PM
Our FA’s are paid 15 minutes at their pay rate for their work during boarding and deplaning.

Nope. They get 15 mins added to their duty off time at the end of a duty day, thats it. And that 15 mins is not at block hour rate. They only get their per diem and something the company calls supBluementary pay which is 1 dollar per hour while on actual duty, so 25 cents plus 15 mins worth of per diem which is what? 55 cents? So 80 cents is what they are getting paid at the end of a day to clean the plans for 15 mins. If they are not done deplaning and cleaning in those 15 mins after block in, then they are getting nothing. And their rest starts as soon as that 15 min after block in happens, yes while they are still cleaning the plane.

Hopefully things change.