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701EV
08-17-2018, 12:13 PM
What type of concessions did Envoy take in 2013 or 2014? When management started shopping the Eagle flying around.

Thanks,

701EV


3GreenKSNA
08-17-2018, 12:31 PM
I will need to head over to eagle lounge and report back to you.

-Keep the dirty side down

bigtime209
08-17-2018, 03:15 PM
What type of concessions did Envoy take in 2013 or 2014? When management started shopping the Eagle flying around.

Thanks,

701EV

Vacation was a huge hit: 2 weeks of vacation awarded after 2 years of service vs 1 year of service. 3 weeks of vacation after 7 years of service vs 5 years of service. And capped at 4 weeks of vacation vs 5 weeks of vacation.

Freeze on per diem.

Freeze on cost of living raises.

Loss of PTO system.

Agreement to implement PBS or take additional concessions equal to the company savings the PBS would accomplish (millions of dollars).

Increased employee contribution to health insurance costs. If I'm not mistaken, we were paying 30% of the costs and it would gradually increase to 35%.

Those are all I can think of on the fly off the top of my head without risking getting confused with the 2012 concessionary contract we took during AA bankruptcy shortly before then. Others can chime in.


CaptJackSparrow
08-17-2018, 04:01 PM
Itís just amazing to me that we are living in a period of record airline profits and a great economy yet still are working under a concessionary contract...

DirkDiggler
08-17-2018, 05:56 PM
I vaguely remember hearing your contract is like an 18 year contract... is that correct?

SoFloFlyer
08-17-2018, 10:46 PM
When is the contract up for negotiating?

moon
08-18-2018, 04:45 AM
Don't forget the 12 and 4. That was a huge part of it.

I believe 10 year contract.

bigtime209
08-18-2018, 04:51 AM
When is the contract up for negotiating?

Limited opener in 2020 I believe.

Cyio
08-18-2018, 09:22 AM
Yeah the only way major changes come to current contract it if/when AA/Envoy need something from us.

Otherwise we jut sit and take it.

NoValueAviator
08-18-2018, 12:05 PM
The current system isn't PBS, what's the story on that?

moon
08-18-2018, 01:54 PM
The current system isn't PBS, what's the story on that?

The trigger for that was the 41st 175 and the company would have a limited time to try to implement PBS. When the 41st came we were still struggling with staffing and the company said they would not pursue PBS. The pilot group would most likely have voted NO and they would be forced to take concessions from the group and that would not look good in this environment and hiring would slow more.

bigtime209
08-18-2018, 02:41 PM
The current system isn't PBS, what's the story on that?

The original letter negotiated between the company and ALPA that would outline the workings of PBS was actually in favor of the pilot group and it would not give the company the efficiencies and cost savings they ultimately wanted. So at this point, the company has no interest in PBS as it currently stands and they realize they can't come after the pilot group for additional money in lieu of PBS in this current hiring environment.

701EV
08-18-2018, 09:26 PM
Thanks, everyone for the info on your concessionary contract. A few of us at XJT were discussing the Envoy contract and couldn't remember all the details.

Thanks, again.

701EV

NoValueAviator
08-19-2018, 06:33 AM
I never would've guessed they had a bomb in the contract allowing them to unilaterally cut pay by an undefined amount. Thanks for the insight.



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