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BarbaraPalvin
08-20-2018, 12:38 PM
Sorry if this has been brought up over and over but after speaking with my recruiter Iím more confused than I was before.

To sum it up I was told that only 6hours of ATP-CTP can count towards the 50 hours total multi i need.

Some other threads here say I can use training sim time before atp oral.


Auburn17Pilot
08-20-2018, 12:40 PM
They want you to have 50 hours on day 1. I only got exactly 6 hours in CTP. Thatís it.


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DiveAndDrive
08-20-2018, 12:44 PM
Iím starting CTP literally tomorrow. My recruiter said I needed 44 hours. Iím reporting with 44.1. He said Iíll be fine; Iíll get 6 hours at ATP CTP. All of the communication from the CTP vendor indicates Iíll get 6 hours in the sim.


Gravity88x
08-20-2018, 01:15 PM
I think thereís a little bit of a disconnect from the recruiters and training department. Thereís been several new hires recently that do not have the 50 hours.

If you donít you just will have to do your Oral checkride sometime in the middle of your sims depending on how much time you have left to build (5? 10? 20 hours of multi needed for 50)

zanfarroway
08-20-2018, 06:59 PM
I think thereís a little bit of a disconnect from the recruiters and training department. Thereís been several new hires recently that do not have the 50 hours.

If you donít you just will have to do your Oral checkride sometime in the middle of your sims depending on how much time you have left to build (5? 10? 20 hours of multi needed for 50)

Some guys in the latest class have to build the hours they need during the time they are sent home for ETHOS. Oral will still be scheduled before the sims. Reasoning was people were failing when they study for oral/sim all-together. Not sure how true that is but they must have some data to back that up.

With all that said, I wouldn't be surprised if they are changing the rules and telling people to come in at 44 multi now instead of the 25 that has been advertised before.

TheNotoriousPIC
08-20-2018, 07:18 PM
So, to clarify, some people have been able to complete the 50 hour requirement during their time home for ETHOS?

looseombi
08-23-2018, 03:13 PM
Is this an acceptable practice? I'm coming in and it looks like ill be a little short. The airplane I was flying just went down with a mechanical and wont be ready to go until a couple days before I leave. I have 14 more hours to build.

UnbeatenPath
08-24-2018, 10:37 AM
I was told in my interview I only needed 25. I've heard from some that whether it's 25 or 50 depends on whether you qualify for R-ATP

SoFloFlyer
08-24-2018, 01:08 PM
I was told in my interview I only needed 25. I've heard from some that whether it's 25 or 50 depends on whether you qualify for R-ATP

Whether you get a R-ATP or not, I donít think it matters between 25-50 hours of multi. You need 50 for an ATP and FARs allow 25 hours to be in a sim, hence why you can start at 25 hours. Hope this helps.

TangoIndiaMike1
08-24-2018, 03:26 PM
They have special stipulations for you to come with 25 hours multi. I think itís like a mixture of total time plus degree plus past experience plus what ever criteria. If you have 1450 in a 172 and need 50 multi most likely you will have to go to the FTi or get the multi on your own.

This was last year and times could have changed.


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dera
08-25-2018, 08:54 AM
Whether you get a R-ATP or not, I donít think it matters between 25-50 hours of multi. You need 50 for an ATP and FARs allow 25 hours to be in a sim, hence why you can start at 25 hours. Hope this helps.

They don't count the hours in the sim. Only the 6 hours you get at CTP. You need 44 hours multi to start.

zanfarroway
08-25-2018, 11:32 AM
There are people in my class that were told to come in at 50, as well as people who were told to come in at 25. So they must have different criteria like the previous posts mentioned.

But again, those with 25 were told to get their 50 before the sims because they are trying to get the oral out of the way. So wouldn't be surprised if everyone is required to have 44 before ATPCTP.

SoFloFlyer
08-27-2018, 08:04 PM
I know this thread is old, but I didnít want to make a new one. Was wondering if you have to have RAH pay for your last few hours, does it come out of your bonus?

Heard that it doesnít, but I wanted to be sure.

Thanks

Duchess
08-27-2018, 08:21 PM
I know this thread is old, but I didnít want to make a new one. Was wondering if you have to have RAH pay for your last few hours, does it come out of your bonus?

Heard that it doesnít, but I wanted to be sure.

Thanks
It does come out of your bonus

dera
08-27-2018, 08:37 PM
It comes out from the back end of your bonus.

SoFloFlyer
08-28-2018, 06:32 PM
It comes out from the back end of your bonus.

Thank you and Duchess for the reply

05Duramax
08-31-2018, 09:18 PM
I have an interview next month and when talking to the recruiter about instrument time (says 100 hrs. on the website) he said you need 100 for the ATP requirements. However, the requirements are only 75 hrs. instrument for the ATP. Anybody have any insight on this requirement?

Excargodog
08-31-2018, 09:40 PM
I have an interview next month and when talking to the recruiter about instrument time (says 100 hrs. on the website) he said you need 100 for the ATP requirements. However, the requirements are only 75 hrs. instrument for the ATP. Anybody have any insight on this requirement?

Listed company minimums are 100 instrument:


Minimums:
- ATP written
- 1,500 TT fixed wing (R-ATP 1000 TT or 1,250 TT)
- 50 ME
- 100 instrument
- ATP-CTP costs covered

05Duramax
08-31-2018, 10:05 PM
Listed company minimums are 100 instrument:

Yeah, I understand that is what is listed as minimums just wondering why the 100 if that's not what is required for ATP, and if there are any exceptions. I have over 300 hrs dual given as CFII, 6 instrument sign offs and a CFII sign off with 100% pass rate. I would think that would be better experience than the 18 hours of instrument time I'm missing!

Excargodog
08-31-2018, 10:34 PM
Yeah, I understand that is what is listed as minimums just wondering why the 100 if that's not what is required for ATP, and if there are any exceptions. I have over 300 hrs dual given as CFII, 6 instrument sign offs and a CFII sign off with 100% pass rate. I would think that would be better experience than the 18 hours of instrument time I'm missing!


Employer can set any minimums they want. Here are the NetJets minimums to be a FO and fly right seat in a Gulfstream:

Minimums:

Airline Transport Pilot Certificate (Multi-Engine Land)
Current FAA First Class Medical certificate
2500 hours total pilot time
500 hours fixed wing multi-engine time
250 hours instrument time (actual or simulated in flight - excludes simulator time)
NetJets pilot job page.

Pilot recruitment hotline: 614-239-2445



It might be driven by insurance requirements or might simply be the company trying to decrease their washout rate in training.

Random Task
09-02-2018, 05:03 PM
I have an interview next month and when talking to the recruiter about instrument time (says 100 hrs. on the website) he said you need 100 for the ATP requirements. However, the requirements are only 75 hrs. instrument for the ATP. Anybody have any insight on this requirement?

Honestly its probably an oversight. Just put your application in.



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