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Gooselives
08-24-2018, 05:29 PM
With mass retirements coming into effect, I was wondering if envoy is seeing an uptick in resignations??


havick206
08-24-2018, 05:48 PM
With mass retirements coming into effect, I was wondering if envoy is seeing an uptick in resignations??

The MEC newsblasts have a staff ticker at the bottom

SoFloFlyer
08-24-2018, 09:14 PM
The MEC newsblasts have a staff ticker at the bottom

What if we donít have access to said newsblast?


bigtime209
08-25-2018, 04:01 AM
What if we donít have access to said newsblast?

Contact ALPA and theyíll get you access.

SilentLurker
08-25-2018, 04:19 AM
Contact ALPA and theyíll get you access.



You mean I have to actually contact or email the union I pay dues to?

Thought they read my mind on what I want & knew who I was even if I donít contact them...

:Sarcasm:

ENH017
08-25-2018, 04:22 AM
These numbers are current from 7/30/2018, from said newsblasts

Envoy Staffing Ticker
Total Pilots 2401
New Hires in JUL 47
New Hires MTD 0
New Hires YTD 432
JUL OAL/Retiring CA 5
MTD FO Attrition 6
YTD Att. Non-Flow 119
YTD Total Att. (incl. flow) 314

E175 Driver
08-25-2018, 06:54 AM
These numbers are current from 7/30/2018, from said newsblasts

Envoy Staffing Ticker
Total Pilots 2401
New Hires in JUL 47
New Hires MTD 0
New Hires YTD 432
JUL OAL/Retiring CA 5
MTD FO Attrition 6
YTD Att. Non-Flow 119
YTD Total Att. (incl. flow) 314


Lifers that wasted their time at this joint.

BeechPilot33
08-25-2018, 08:00 AM
Almost 20 per month leaving outside the flow. That will also pick up as hiring at the majors continue.

f16jetmech
08-26-2018, 08:10 AM
Almost 20 per month leaving outside the flow. That will also pick up as hiring at the majors continue.

Is that putting us @ 50 per month right now?

Gooselives
08-27-2018, 11:10 AM
Almost 20 per month leaving outside the flow. That will also pick up as hiring at the majors continue.

We have that many chicks 🐣 i thought we ran out by now?

Bigpimppilot
08-27-2018, 11:25 AM
The 20 a month outside of flow doesnít mean theyíre going to the majors. It could be guys unable to take the 2nd year payout, family issues, different opportunities or refusal to get a forced upgrade. I personally know of a middle aged guy that chose to go beck to his old job and refused the upgrade. Too bad we donít have more information on these attrition guys

dera
08-27-2018, 11:41 AM
These numbers are current from 7/30/2018, from said newsblasts

Envoy Staffing Ticker
Total Pilots 2401
New Hires in JUL 47
New Hires MTD 0
New Hires YTD 432
JUL OAL/Retiring CA 5
MTD FO Attrition 6
YTD Att. Non-Flow 119
YTD Total Att. (incl. flow) 314

So ~7.5 year flow assuming these numbers are solid (which I know they won't be).

TransWorld
08-27-2018, 11:57 AM
So ~7.5 year flow assuming these numbers are solid (which I know they won't be).

You using 314 as the attrition (including flow) for the year?

2401 / 314 = ~7.5 years.

Just one problem, 314 is for Jan-Jul (7 months), not Jan-Dec (12 months)

If you ratio it up. . .

314 x (12/7) = 538 projected attrition for the entire year.

2401 / 538 = ~4.5 years

dera
08-27-2018, 11:59 AM
You using 314 as the attrition (including flow) for the year?

2401 / 314 = ~7.5 years.

Just one problem, 314 is for Jan-Jul (7 months), not Jan-Dec (12 months)

If you ratio it up. . .

314 x (12/7) = 538 projected attrition for the entire year.

2401 / 538 = ~4.5 years

Let me go back to elementary school and repeat some of the math classes there...
:)
Anyway, nowhere near the "12 year flow" doomsday numbers some keep repeating here.

Erxs
08-27-2018, 12:18 PM
Don't forget to subtract the 100 or so who've declined the flow but not retiring in the next five years from the 2400 number before doing the math.

dera
08-27-2018, 12:43 PM
Don't forget to subtract the 100 or so who've declined the flow but not retiring in the next five years from the 2400 number before doing the math.

To come up with an accurate number, we'd also need to know how "top heavy" those attrition numbers are. Bottom of the seniority list leaving doesn't help you. But anyway, sounds like the advertised flow (6 years) is not THAT far from the truth.

TransWorld
08-27-2018, 12:52 PM
To come up with an accurate number, we'd also need to know how "top heavy" those attrition numbers are. Bottom of the seniority list leaving doesn't help you. But anyway, sounds like the advertised flow (6 years) is not THAT far from the truth.

Agreed. And donít forget that as hiring picks up with all the majors, non-flow attrition will likely pick up a bit more.

Just a few years ago, guys with 25 years (non-voluntary lifers) and a clean record with the regionals were growing gray hair and getting bald, waiting for the call.

Life is starting to get interesting. Pilots have not seen this since the 1950s/1960s. Seriously.

dera
08-27-2018, 12:55 PM
Agreed. And donít forget that as hiring picks up with all the majors, non-flow attrition will likely pick up a bit more.

Just a few years ago, guys with 25 years (non-voluntary lifers) and a clean record with the regionals were growing gray hair and getting bald, waiting for the call.

Life is starting to get interesting. Pilots have not seen this since the 1950s/1960s. Seriously.

I would go further and say pilots have never in history seen the kind of movement that's going to happen in the next 5 years. Assuming no 9/11 event obviously.

TransWorld
08-27-2018, 01:07 PM
I would go further and say pilots have never in history seen the kind of movement that's going to happen in the next 5 years. Assuming no 9/11 event obviously.

Well, at least never since the regionals were created. You can get a 4 year degree, 1500 hours and get on with a regional. By age 30 you can be sitting in the right seat with a legacy. By age 40 or 45 you can be sitting in the left seat, spending half your career in command of an aircraft the Wright Brothers could never have dreamed of.

Back in the 1950s/1960s guys got hired in their 20s directly into the majors, but had to sit sideways and wear two stripes for a few years. (Some even remember one stripe as an observer/flunked.) Course most of their CAs cut their teeth on DC-3s (and DC-2s) and were quick with the sextant to navigate by the stars at night.



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