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arbatistoni
08-30-2018, 08:47 AM
I apologize if this has been discussed but i have had no luck searching google or apc. Is there a list of which aircraft are based out of which crew bases?


thrust
08-30-2018, 11:05 AM
i apologize if this has been discussed but i have had no luck searching google or apc. Is there a list of which aircraft are based out of which crew bases?

bos - 737
clt - 320, 330
dca/udc - 737, 320
dfw - s80, 737, 320, 767, 787, 777
lax - 737, 320, 787, 777
lga - 737, 320, 767, 777
mia - 737, 320, 767, 777
ord - 737, 767, 787
phl - 190, 320, 767, 330
phx - 320, 767

meyers9163
08-30-2018, 12:10 PM
bos - 737
clt - 320, 330
dca/udc - 737, 320
dfw - s80, 737, 320, 767, 787, 777
lax - 737, 320, 787, 777
lga - 737, 320, 767, 777
mia - 737, 320, 767, 777
ord - 737, 767, 787
phl - 190, 320, 767, 330
phx - 320, 767

ORD doesnít have 767.


ItnStln
08-30-2018, 12:39 PM
bos - 737
clt - 320, 330
dca/udc - 737, 320
dfw - s80, 737, 320, 767, 787, 777
lax - 737, 320, 787, 777
lga - 737, 320, 767, 777
mia - 737, 320, 767, 777
ord - 737, 767, 787
phl - 190, 320, 767, 330
phx - 320, 767

Whereís the 757 bases?

viper548
08-30-2018, 01:12 PM
Whereís the 757 bases?757 and 767 are combined.

ItnStln
08-30-2018, 02:38 PM
757 and 767 are combined.

So all of the 767 bases have the 757?

RhinoBallAuto
08-30-2018, 02:47 PM
So all of the 767 bases have the 757?

Don't get wrapped around where the airplanes are based.... They are pilot domiciles, and AA takes advantage of the common type rating for 75/76. You can fly either at any time out of common bid packages.

Sliceback
08-31-2018, 03:12 AM
So all of the 767 bases have the 757?

I think PHX is only doing 757 flying. PHL/MIA do a bunch of 757 flying.

redbaronahp
09-02-2018, 06:41 AM
Is UDC a D or I?

bababouey
09-02-2018, 09:33 AM
Is UDC a D or I?



Udc is I, Dca is d


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QuagmireGiggity
09-02-2018, 11:07 AM
Is UDC a D or I?Most are being slowly combined.

RhinoBallAuto
09-02-2018, 11:14 AM
Most are being slowly combined.

Those two won't... ::smile::

arbatistoni
09-03-2018, 11:55 AM
bos - 737
clt - 320, 330
dca/udc - 737, 320
dfw - s80, 737, 320, 767, 787, 777
lax - 737, 320, 787, 777
lga - 737, 320, 767, 777
mia - 737, 320, 767, 777
ord - 737, 767, 787
phl - 190, 320, 767, 330
phx - 320, 767


Perfect, thank you!

cactusmike
09-07-2018, 11:26 PM
LGA 767 is supposed to go away by May.

Stevo
09-11-2018, 12:55 PM
New to forum...first post...
Any idea in current climate how long it would take a new hire FO to get BOS? I understand it is senior, but have also seen on here that some junior FOs were able to get it...

Climb510
09-11-2018, 03:12 PM
New to forum...first post...
Any idea in current climate how long it would take a new hire FO to get BOS? I understand it is senior, but have also seen on here that some junior FOs were able to get it...

It took my buddy less than 4 months to get awarded BOS.

CommHunter
09-12-2018, 03:03 AM
New to forum...first post...
Any idea in current climate how long it would take a new hire FO to get BOS? I understand it is senior, but have also seen on here that some junior FOs were able to get it...

Same question but for DFW. I would assume considerably longer.

Slowmover
09-12-2018, 06:14 AM
Most junior BOS FO looks to be a late 2017-early 2018 hire. That's a 737 guy.

Not counting the S80 since it's no longer an option, the most junior DFW FO is an April 2018 hire. That's an A320 guy.

Stevo
09-12-2018, 06:31 AM
So forgive my naivete (older mil guy getting back into 121 flying) but does that mean getting 737 out of training is realistic and then bos in less than a year? Tx again.

thrust
09-12-2018, 06:59 AM
So forgive my naivete (older mil guy getting back into 121 flying) but does that mean getting 737 out of training is realistic and then bos in less than a year? Tx again.

Yes. DCA (737) should also be within a year, plus or minus, for those so inclined.

New hire drops tend to have 737 and 320 to LAX and LGA, and 190 to PHL. Every now and then 737 to MIA. No more S80 to DFW.

Thereís an entire thread devoted to class drops.

Sliceback posts some interesting seniority snapshots every now and then.

Stevo
09-12-2018, 07:27 AM
Yes. DCA (737) should also be within a year, plus or minus, for those so inclined.

New hire drops tend to have 737 and 320 to LAX and LGA, and 190 to PHL. Every now and then 737 to MIA. No more S80 to DFW.

Thereís an entire thread devoted to class drops.

Sliceback posts some interesting seniority snapshots every now and then.

Very helpful! These forums are invaluable! Thank you.

swaayze
09-12-2018, 08:42 AM
Those two won't... ::smile::

Actually I believe they will combine relatively quickly. Once the FAs are integrated Iíd imagine we'll move to a single status in DC. Since the domestic pilot count there is relatively small the training would be doable in a short time.

Am I missing something?

RhinoBallAuto
09-12-2018, 09:22 AM
Am I missing something?

Just jokin' around... insofar as the Int (UDC) is 320 only, and the Dom (DCA) is 737 only. Can't really combine them... I guess they could each expand.

Silly... I know

swaayze
09-12-2018, 03:54 PM
Just jokin' around... insofar as the Int (UDC) is 320 only, and the Dom (DCA) is 737 only. Can't really combine them... I guess they could each expand.

Silly... I know

Oh, well then I feel stupid. I thought both were AB.

Nevermind.:o

RhinoBallAuto
09-12-2018, 04:11 PM
Oh, well then I feel stupid. I thought both were AB.

Nevermind.:o

Don't sweat it.... It was a joke!

Sliceback
09-13-2018, 04:24 AM
Sliceback posts some interesting seniority snapshots every now and then.

Guys can get rough estimates from the date of the post to the date of the junior guy getting a base.

Itís not necessarily linear especially in a small base or bid status. For example a mini wave of ten guys getting into BOS doesnít mean guys will be able to get into BOS quickly. It might mean just the opposite, that BOS will be stagnate BECAUSE of the current influx.

The stock market statement Ďpast performance doesnít guarantee future successí comes to mind.

Battlinbear21
09-15-2018, 11:49 AM
Question about 190 upgrade. This new bid has 15 CA slots. Can you bid and be awarded a ca position while still on probation?

crusher
09-15-2018, 12:35 PM
I guess youíll be writing your own probation reports. Ha

nimslow
09-15-2018, 04:48 PM
Question about 190 upgrade. This new bid has 15 CA slots. Can you bid and be awarded a ca position while still on probation?

No. JCBA, Section 17:


C. Qualifications Required for Bidding and Filling a Vacancy

1. All pilots may bid for and be awarded any vacancy with the following exceptions:

A probationary pilot cannot bid for a Captain vacancy.

Al Czervik
09-15-2018, 05:17 PM
No. JCBA, Section 17:


C. Qualifications Required for Bidding and Filling a Vacancy

1. All pilots may bid for and be awarded any vacancy with the following exceptions:

A probationary pilot cannot bid for a Captain vacancy.

Is that right? I believe we had 1st year guys upgrading in 2013/14

sumwherelse
09-15-2018, 06:18 PM
Is that right? I believe we had 1st year guys upgrading in 2013/14

It used to get you off probation. A year or upgrade ended your probation period. Guess thatís gone now.

Hotel Pen
09-18-2018, 09:15 AM
I think you can bid for CA as long as you will be off probation when the award is effective. As far as BOS goes it has become more junior at the bottom as senior BOS FOs upgrade in BOS or LGA before they retire, but in the last couple of bids a lot junior FOs have been awarded BOS so it may slow a bit for a while. I waited three years to get into BOS. Then again supposedly there is supposed to be movement at AA. 4 years here and I can barely hold a line, working all weekends and holidays, or reserve.

OVBIII
09-18-2018, 11:56 AM
I think you can bid for CA as long as you will be off probation when the award is effective. As far as BOS goes it has become more junior at the bottom as senior BOS FOs upgrade in BOS or LGA before they retire, but in the last couple of bids a lot junior FOs have been awarded BOS so it may slow a bit for a while. I waited three years to get into BOS. Then again supposedly there is supposed to be movement at AA. 4 years here and I can barely hold a line, working all weekends and holidays, or reserve.

I was looking at the 3XP for BOS CA, thereís quite a few retiring in the next 2 years. I know it doesnít help in the interim, but it looks promising

Name User
09-18-2018, 05:59 PM
Is that right? I believe we had 1st year guys upgrading in 2013/14

I don't believe they ever upgraded a probie. I had classmates bid it and had it awarded prior to 12 months on property but they didn't start until after their 12 month period.

golf papa
09-29-2018, 06:42 PM
I'm still waiting to interview, doing some research in the meantime -- I've heard from friends that if you want LGA (I do), it's a junior base and you can make CA more quickly than other domiciles. What about going to widebodies as an FO? About how long would each take if I got an A320 or 737 drop?

Thanks,
GP

PRS Guitars
09-29-2018, 08:00 PM
I'm still waiting to interview, doing some research in the meantime -- I've heard from friends that if you want LGA (I do), it's a junior base and you can make CA more quickly than other domiciles. What about going to widebodies as an FO? About how long would each take if I got an A320 or 737 drop?

Thanks,
GP

Congrats, you live in the most Jr base for every airline. Jr Airbus CA as of December 2018 will be a June 2013 hire. Jr 777 FO will be an 11 Nov hire (well eqivelent anyway, actually a 2001 hire but a 2013 could hold it).

It doesnít matter at all what aircraft you get before 777. Youíll get awarded it based on seniority after you seat lock expires. 6 months for a new hire. So avoid the 190 like the plague and gun for the bus or 737. Youíll be at LGA pretty much right away. You will also make way more over your career than guys living in DFW or CLT. Then again, youíll pay more taxes and have to have a permit for your guns, so give and take I guess.:cool:

Saabs
09-30-2018, 06:41 AM
Congrats, you live in the most Jr base for every airline. Jr Airbus CA as of December 2018 will be a June 2013 hire. Jr 777 FO will be an 11 Nov hire (well eqivelent anyway, actually a 2001 hire but a 2013 could hold it).

It doesnít matter at all what aircraft you get before 777. Youíll get awarded it based on seniority after you seat lock expires. 6 months for a new hire. So avoid the 190 like the plague and gun for the bus or 737. Youíll be at LGA pretty much right away. You will also make way more over your career than guys living in DFW or CLT. Then again, youíll pay more taxes and have to have a permit for your guns, so give and take I guess.:cool:

Dfw 777 is 2013 hires now.

RhinoBallAuto
09-30-2018, 07:31 AM
Dfw 777 is 2013 hires now.

Just keep in mind.... All assumptions based on past performance will likely be invalidated when the S80 bubbas/bubbettes displace off and into other equipment. Who knows where they will all end up wanting to go....

LIOG41
09-30-2018, 08:34 AM
Just keep in mind.... All assumptions based on past performance will likely be invalidated when the S80 bubbas/bubbettes displace off and into other equipment. Who knows where they will all end up wanting to go....

Super 80 guys going to wide body? Doubt it...they fly domestic, day trips close to home for a reason. 73 or AB for sure.

nimslow
09-30-2018, 09:15 AM
Super 80 guys going to wide body? Doubt it...they fly domestic, day trips close to home for a reason. 73 or AB for sure.

If they can hold that kind of schedule on the 73 or bus, but a lot of them won't be able to.

There are around 90 S80 ca's in DFW that cant hold DFW captain on any other equipment. The smart play, if they want to stay in DFW, is displace to 777/787 fo, with no seat lock, and bid ca again, as soon as they can hold it.

There are also 40 or so S80 fo's that can hold DFW ca on the bus or 73, and around 130 fo's that wouldn't be able to hold 777/787 fo in DFW.

Since they will be able to displace, with no seat lock, all bets are off.

As a junior narrow body ca, commuting to reserve, going back to 777 fo (even on reserve) at home in DFW is looking better every day. And I know several other guys in the same boat I'm in, with similar thoughts.

PRS Guitars
09-30-2018, 11:04 AM
Dfw 777 is 2013 hires now.

Yes, I didnít mention it because he wants to stay near LGA. I was really close last bid, now I actually have to think about it. I like my weekends off though, so Iíll probably wait until I can hold LC above the coverage line.

TransWorld
09-30-2018, 12:10 PM
With the S80 in DFW replaced by 73 and Bus, those S80 CA that cannot hold CA on other equipment will open slots for other FO to move up to CA.

Also, I know several S80 CA that are close enough to retirement they have said as soon as they get kicked off the Mad Dog, stick a fork in them, they are done. That will open up more CA slots on the 73 and Bus backfill for the S80 metal that can go to FO that will now be able to hold CA.

Hope the Schoolhouse can handle all these and the upcoming retirement cascade of retraining, as well as the new hires.

Life is going to become even more interesting.

Name User
09-30-2018, 02:51 PM
With the S80 in DFW replaced by 73 and Bus, those S80 CA that cannot hold CA on other equipment will open slots for other FO to move up to CA.

Also, I know several S80 CA that are close enough to retirement they have said as soon as they get kicked off the Mad Dog, stick a fork in them, they are done. That will open up more CA slots on the 73 and Bus backfill for the S80 metal that can go to FO that will now be able to hold CA.

Hope the Schoolhouse can handle all these and the upcoming retirement cascade of retraining, as well as the new hires.

Life is going to become even more interesting.

Very few are retiring early.

The 80 has a LOT more commuters than people think, they will be dispersing all over. From what I have heard most want to keep their CA spots.

TransWorld
09-30-2018, 03:47 PM
Very few are retiring early.

The 80 has a LOT more commuters than people think, they will be dispersing all over. From what I have heard most want to keep their CA spots.

Yes, a lot are commuters. Many of the commuters are exTWA living in STL. I know many of them.

Andrew_VT
09-30-2018, 04:17 PM
Also, I know several S80 CA that are close enough to retirement they have said as soon as they get kicked off the Mad Dog, stick a fork in them, they are done.

Pilots lie. "I'm retiring early" is right up there with "I'll never marry a flight attendant again."

bigtime209
09-30-2018, 04:28 PM
Pilots lie. "I'm retiring early" is right up there with "I'll never marry a flight attendant again."

Hahaha! Man, so much truth in this statement.

TankerDriver
10-01-2018, 07:52 AM
Pilots lie. "I'm retiring early" is right up there with "I'll never marry a flight attendant again."Again? LOL

Cheddar
10-03-2018, 09:26 AM
Again?!? Damn that funny.


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Slowmover
10-27-2018, 06:23 PM
Anybody know (or care to speculate about) the vacancy bid run schedule for 2019? I thought we were doing these quarterly but it seems more frequent early next year.

Trying to plan my base moves accordingly... thanks!

Name User
10-27-2018, 06:57 PM
Anybody know (or care to speculate about) the vacancy bid run schedule for 2019? I thought we were doing these quarterly but it seems more frequent early next year.

Trying to plan my base moves accordingly... thanks!

Bid what you want. As simple as that. Don't try to guess, it serves no purpose.

Slowmover
10-27-2018, 07:15 PM
Bid what you want. As simple as that. Don't try to guess, it serves no purpose.

Well, I disagree. I'm a commuter and want to be at DFW. But I would rather hold a line at a more junior base than get short call in DFW.

But thanks!

PRS Guitars
10-27-2018, 07:35 PM
Well, I disagree. I'm a commuter and want to be at DFW. But I would rather hold a line at a more junior base than get short call in DFW.

But thanks!

His advice still holds true...bid what you want...so donít bid DFW until you have solid standing above SC on the PBS report for a few months. Iíve been here nearly 5 years. Iím also a commuter waiting for DFW. Iím waiting to be above the coverage line as a line holder (usually takes sub 50%), so that I can get weekends and holidays off. Very happily waiting it out in LAX.

swaayze
10-28-2018, 06:49 AM
Always assume that the next bid will be the last one for a long time. Where do you (not) want to be stuck for years?

It seems very unlikely and pessimistic now, but stuff happens.

mainlineAF
10-28-2018, 08:13 AM
His advice still holds true...bid what you want...so donít bid DFW until you have solid standing above SC on the PBS report for a few months. Iíve been here nearly 5 years. Iím also a commuter waiting for DFW. Iím waiting to be above the coverage line as a line holder (usually takes sub 50%), so that I can get weekends and holidays off. Very happily waiting it out in LAX.



How do you find out where the coverage line is?

PRS Guitars
10-28-2018, 09:39 AM
How do you find out where the coverage line is?

Admittedly, “coverage line” is probably not completely accurate, but I can’t think of a more concise way to say it. It is a moving target. I’m just really talking about not having any coverage dates.

Go to the APA website
Click on 3xp/pbs award/scheduling
Click on PBS awards & 3XP
On the right side select PBS award report.

In the report you will see coverage dates at the bottom of a pilots award. They will typically start about half way down the list. It will say “LC Coverage dates:” or “SC” or “LH”.

I track the coverage dates by counting how far off I am and tracking it in a spreadsheet (yeah, pretty geeky). I can then pretty accurately predict whether I’ll have coverage dates and can adjust my PBS bid to be more efficient. December is a wild card, so you need to look at historical December data for that.

If you have a kid, you can pay them to do the data entry. I wish the APA would publish the report in excel and calculate some of this (and other things) for us.



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