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rswitz
09-01-2018, 07:10 AM
Hey,

I'm recently off IOE on the 175 at SkyWest. Thinking about moving to Envoy. Does the 45k bonus only apply to direct entry captains, or does anybody with prior 121 get it?

Thanks


bitwiser
09-01-2018, 07:45 AM
Have to be DEC qualified for the 45k.

67Creek
09-01-2018, 08:00 AM
Are they still accepting DECs from other wholly-owneds?


MD-11Loader
09-01-2018, 08:45 AM
You also need a clean training record. If you’re coming here as a DEC your options are 145 LGA, 145 ORD, or CRJ ORD.

SilentLurker
09-01-2018, 09:08 AM
Hey,



I'm recently off IOE on the 175 at SkyWest. Thinking about moving to Envoy. Does the 45k bonus only apply to direct entry captains, or does anybody with prior 121 get it?



Thanks


Depends on your flying background prior to your IOE at Skywest. If you are near 950hrs of qualifying time for DEC’s ( 121 SIC, military PIC, part 135 Jet PIC or a combination of them nearing 950 hrs) then Envoy $43k DECs bonus is at your grasp.

If this is your first jet type, not near 950hrs (Part 121 SIC part, no part 135 qualifying PIC time, and no military PIC flight time) then you are no bueno for the $43K DECs bonus friend.

You never know how long the hiring wave at the regionals will last, build your flight time up, pull the trigger where you want to be long term, or as a DEC. Mainline is everyone’s goal, yet still no telling how long this wave will last. Good luck.

rswitz
09-01-2018, 09:39 AM
Depends on your flying background prior to your IOE at Skywest. If you are near 950hrs of qualifying time for DEC’s ( 121 SIC, military PIC, part 135 Jet PIC or a combination of them nearing 950 hrs) then Envoy $43k DECs bonus is at your grasp.

If this is your first jet type, not near 950hrs (Part 121 SIC part, no part 135 qualifying PIC time, and no military PIC flight time) then you are no bueno for the $43K DECs bonus friend.

You never know how long the hiring wave at the regionals will last, build your flight time up, pull the trigger where you want to be long term, or as a DEC. Mainline is everyone’s goal, yet still no telling how long this wave will last. Good luck.

I have over 1000 part 135 Jet multi crew SIC time. (Airplane requires 2 pilots). Does that count?

BigZ
09-01-2018, 09:49 AM
I have over 1000 part 135 Jet multi crew SIC time. (Airplane requires 2 pilots). Does that count?

Nope
Filler

rswitz
09-01-2018, 11:16 AM
Nope
Filler

Thanks Filler

CrowneVic
09-01-2018, 12:08 PM
Nope
Filler

Actually, doesn't it depend on what section of 135 he was operating under? I'm pretty sure there are sub-sections of both Parts 91 and 135 that qualify.

OP needs to contact our recruiting department and verify. They will confirm with training.

That being said, you really need to want to come here for reasons beyond the bonus, or in a few weeks you will be miserable and eventually posting questions about, "Do I need to pay back the bonus if I leave?", or "My $45k bonus was only $30k after taxes. I want to leave. Do I need to pay back all $45K?", etc.

SilentLurker
09-01-2018, 12:17 PM
Actually, doesn't it depend on what section of 135 he was operating under? I'm pretty sure there are sub-sections of both Parts 91 and 135 that qualify.



OP needs to contact our recruiting department and verify. They will confirm with training.



That being said, you really need to want to come here for reasons beyond the bonus, or you will be miserable and eventually posting questions about, "Do I need to pay back the bonus if I leave?".



The OP has part 135 SIC.

IF OP had PIC time would be a different story, would then depend on the seat count of the Part 135 PIC dual crew passenger jet. I’ve had friends with SIC from part 135 passenger jet go elsewhere unable to enter as DECs for the bonus.

rswitz
09-01-2018, 02:58 PM
My current airline recognizes my sic 135 time towards the 1000 minimum 121/135 to upgrade. This was verified with the training department. So it's worth something.

I'll.call Envoy on Monday and report back.

Houpilot2001
09-01-2018, 03:06 PM
My current airline recognizes my sic 135 time towards the 1000 minimum 121/135 to upgrade. This was verified with the training department. So it's worth something.

I'll.call Envoy on Monday and report back.

Tuesday would probably be better. Labor day and all...

rswitz
09-01-2018, 03:08 PM
Tuesday would probably be better. Labor day and all...

Oh right. But I'm still on reserve lol

BigZ
09-01-2018, 08:21 PM
My current airline recognizes my sic 135 time towards the 1000 minimum 121/135 to upgrade. This was verified with the training department. So it's worth something.

I'll.call Envoy on Monday and report back.
Good luck, but that would be odd.
The general idea is that the time where ATP is required is recognized towards the 1000 hrs needed for upgrade.
For example, cargo 135 pic doesn't count

dera
09-02-2018, 05:00 PM
My current airline recognizes my sic 135 time towards the 1000 minimum 121/135 to upgrade. This was verified with the training department. So it's worth something.

I'll.call Envoy on Monday and report back.

Your training department is wrong.
121.436(a)(3):

" pilot in command in operations under § 135.243(a)(1) of this chapter"

Has to be PIC time under 135 to count towards 121 upgrade.

tm602
09-03-2018, 10:13 AM
So 620 PIC 121, 300 SIC 121, 2000 SIC 15/91K....soup or no soup on the bonus?

dera
09-03-2018, 11:55 AM
So 620 PIC 121, 300 SIC 121, 2000 SIC 15/91K....soup or no soup on the bonus?

I think the limit was 950 hours of qualifying time, so you are 30 short?

tm602
09-03-2018, 07:06 PM
I think the limit was 950 hours of qualifying time, so you are 30 short?

I underguessed. Looking through the logs, 370 hrs 121 SIC and 620 hrs 121 PIC. I forgot that PIC IOE in there. Also have 2000 hrs 135 / 91K SIC including large jet (90,000 lbs) Int'l experience as SIC with PIC type rating.

dera
09-03-2018, 07:17 PM
I underguessed. Looking through the logs, 370 hrs 121 SIC and 620 hrs 121 PIC. I forgot that PIC IOE in there. Also have 2000 hrs 135 / 91K SIC including large jet (90,000 lbs) Int'l experience as SIC with PIC type rating.

How could you upgrade into 121 PIC with just 370 hours of 121 time? Or is this time built years ago before the current 121 regs came to play, 2013 I think?

Your SIC time does not count towards 121 upgrade. 121.436 does not allow to use 135/91k SIC time, doesn't matter what you were flying.
But your 121 time should be enough I believe.

Ijustlikeflying
09-04-2018, 03:56 AM
Are they still putting direct entry CAs right in the first classes they can or has that urgency slowed down?

CaptJackSparrow
09-04-2018, 06:15 AM
I underguessed. Looking through the logs, 370 hrs 121 SIC and 620 hrs 121 PIC. I forgot that PIC IOE in there. Also have 2000 hrs 135 / 91K SIC including large jet (90,000 lbs) Int'l experience as SIC with PIC type rating.

Unless you were the check airman, captain IOE is not PIC.

dera
09-04-2018, 11:43 AM
Unless you were the check airman, captain IOE is not PIC.

But it's still qualifying 121 time and counts towards the 1000 required.

tm602
09-05-2018, 06:46 AM
How could you upgrade into 121 PIC with just 370 hours of 121 time? Or is this time built years ago before the current 121 regs came to play, 2013 I think?

Your SIC time does not count towards 121 upgrade. 121.436 does not allow to use 135/91k SIC time, doesn't matter what you were flying.
But your 121 time should be enough I believe.

It was 1999, and being reserve commuting from PHX to IAD it took a long time to build the hours up. Back then all you needed was the ATP, and the OK from your captains' report cards (yes we had those) and off to upgrade class you went. Of course, commuter planes were crashing more often in those days. As much of a contentious issue as it is, how many crashes have we had since the 1500 hour rule? In some part, the technology has been a great help (I'm still impressed at what we have now compared to when I started). But having two people with a comma in their TT has been a factor as well.