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Industry Strnd
09-05-2018, 07:44 AM
With continued loss of schedulers it's very well possible ATSG will violate the status quo and have another ABX pilot strike in the 4q 2018!

It's got to the point several employees pilots, schedulers, managers quit every week. It appears nobody wants to work for the President and his dictatorship management style! AMNZ Amazon prime air and DHL should take note!


Industry Strnd
09-05-2018, 07:51 AM
Hey amazon and dhl, I'm sure atsg is telling you everything is fine it just pilot and union bs on here.

Why don't you send some representatives to interview employees on the front line and ask them for yourself the chances of another strike. You know you can dictate to atsg to settle the deal and avoid another 2016? Ask to see how many employees have left. Consult a labor attorney and see how easy it will be for abx to viloate status qou.

We want to move your cargo, it's just this management is toxic. You can fix it!

nitefr8dog
09-05-2018, 08:57 AM
With continued loss of schedulers it's very well possible ATSG will violate the status quo and have another ABX pilot strike in the 4q 2018!

It's got to the point several employees pilots, schedulers, managers quit every week. It appears nobody wants to work for the President and his dictatorship management style! AMNZ Amazon prime air and DHL should take note!
Short answer....if the company violates the status quo as they did in 2016...yes


motorclutch
09-06-2018, 10:23 AM
The Feds have taken notice and have asked questions pertaining to the ability to continue operations. Great job JH and Soapy!

MarkThyme
09-07-2018, 01:39 PM
The Feds have taken notice and have asked questions pertaining to the ability to continue operations.

I also have it on good authority that ATI was sold to NAC, and in May of 2018, ATI and ABX merged to form a company called ATX.

motorclutch
09-07-2018, 03:22 PM
Ask Maloney.......

Keepcalm
09-07-2018, 06:38 PM
Little is noticed until freight doesn't move. David Soaper sure wasn't selected by Amazon or DHL, but they'll know his name if he stays on his usual path of leadership... More like his incredible lack of. I'll carry a picket again at the drop of a hat. Last one got pinned on Starkevich. Next one will land squarely on Soaper. It's in keeping with his abilities.

Jurassic Jet
09-07-2018, 09:02 PM
Last one got pinned on Starkevich. Next one will land squarely on Soaper.

Yep. Most of us were here when he got here, and we’ll all be here when he is gone. He badly underestimated who he was dealing with. The last remaining sands in the hourglass of his failed tenure are getting close to the bottom. He will be shown the door very soon IMO.

nitefr8dog
09-08-2018, 10:37 AM
Yep. Most of us were here when he got here, and we’ll all be here when he is gone. He badly underestimated who he was dealing with. The last remaining sands in the hourglass of his failed tenure are getting close to the bottom. He will be shown the door very soon IMO.
Unfortunately horible management has been the norm over the years at ABX...look at how the board has turned a blind eye to the increased costs of running 2 airlines even with the cost of a total refleet of ATI/Capitol...Soaper like Hete will be rewarded for alienating the pilot group which is their main goal...not for the business both of them cost ATSG. It's never been about maximizing profit or building the business....the board thinks they are ACMI guru's....the industry thinks they are fools while they grab all the available business.

Whitesnake
09-08-2018, 04:02 PM
Yep. Most of us were here when he got here, and we’ll all be here when he is gone. He badly underestimated who he was dealing with. The last remaining sands in the hourglass of his failed tenure are getting close to the bottom. He will be shown the door very soon IMO.

I agree. And as amazing as it sounds, David Soaper will not be remembered by future new hires who arrive after he is shown the door.
I’ve asked many of the newly hired guys (the 151s) if they had ever heard of Bob Gray. They hadn’t. And why should they ? He was gone by the time they were hired.

For Soaper, the man who visited many recurrent training classes to intimidate them by threatening furloughs and causing the mass exodus of new hires, it will be the same.

But he is not done costing the company more and more money in the meantime.
This group will not cave for him. We would rather walk.

Industry Strnd
09-12-2018, 04:10 AM
When do you think ATSG ABX pilots will walk off the job again? Peak season? Do you think AMNZ or DHL will step in and stop it?

Industry Strnd
09-15-2018, 08:30 AM
Looks like DHL is moving more flying to other airlines before a strike!

No Land 3
09-15-2018, 09:13 AM
As an outsider, this looks like either extreme negligence or a calculated decision to wind up with just ATI.

dynap09
09-15-2018, 10:21 AM
AMNZ Amazon prime air and DHL should take note!

They've got a couple of choices.

1) Try to reduce flying now to make the pilots happier / reduce strike risk. That's probably best short term bet. Reduces strike pressure and reduces damage from strike to on-time delivery.

2) Try to anticipate when the strike will happen. I think that's harder, the ABX strikes are surprise strikes. But they seem to try and time them to peak demand, so maybe just cancel out some of the flying during peak.

3) Try to get the ABX group on track. Hard to see this happening. miles apart in negotiations.

Should be an interesting winter. My guess is company will just try to manage down the flying far enough to keep the pilots happy.

MarkThyme
09-15-2018, 06:41 PM
2) Try to anticipate when the strike will happen. I think that's harder, the ABX strikes are surprise strikes. But they seem to try and time them to peak demand, so maybe just cancel out some of the flying during peak.

Right - because ABX pilots have such a long and storied history of striking.

MarkThyme
09-15-2018, 06:55 PM
When do you think ATSG ABX pilots will walk off the job again? Peak season? Do you think AMNZ or DHL will step in and stop it?

Research journal entry for September 15, 2018:

Day 203 of our attempt to prove the Infinite Monkey Theorem. The progress we see is disappointing at best. The text they produce is almost indistinguishable from the stuff they fling against the walls and windows. Not sure this is worth our time and effort. It may be time to move on to more fruitful ventures and release the monkeys back to their jungle home.