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Excargodog
09-05-2018, 08:59 PM
Or gilder time which is even worse....


SkyWest recognizes skills common to helicopter and glider flying and will accept helo/gilder time as part of an applicant’s total time as long as they have a minimum of 250 hours of fixed wing.

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WesternSkies
09-06-2018, 04:38 AM
You should try it.

UAL T38 Phlyer
09-06-2018, 04:43 AM
(He’s pointing out they misspelled glider [second instance] in an official hiring release).

In years past, glider and helo time was usually not accepted at any airline.


iahflyr
09-06-2018, 06:00 AM
In years past, glider and helo time was usually not accepted at any airline.

I cannot believe that. Glider pilots are some of the best stick and rudder pilots out there. If given two equal candidates, I would much rather hire the one with some glider time.

With the ridiculous 1500 hour requirement, lots of airlines are being forced to lower their hiring standards (taking people with training failures, DUI’s, etc...) just to get people in the door. I would much rather take a sharp aviatior with 1300 hours of airplane time and 200 hours of glider time, than someone with 1500 hours and training failures, DUI, no degree or low GPA, etc...

TiredSoul
09-06-2018, 06:21 AM
No degree? Well thank you as I don’t have a degree.
I do have 11,000+ hrs and 3 type ratings...oh and 350 hrs of glider time.

Before you take a swipe at glider flying have a read:

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/perlan-2-record/index.html

https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/q_auto,w_375,c_fill,g_auto,h_211,ar_16:9/http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.cnn.com%2Fcnnnext%2Fdam%2Fassets% 2F180903114647-airbus-perlan-mission-ii-1.jpg

ItnStln
09-06-2018, 07:32 AM
With the ridiculous 1500 hour requirement, lots of airlines are being forced to lower their hiring standards (taking people with training failures, DUI’s, etc...) just to get people in the door. I would much rather take a sharp aviatior with 1300 hours of airplane time and 200 hours of glider time, than someone with 1500 hours and training failures, DUI, no degree or low GPA, etc...

Wasn’t the 1599 hour requirement being repealed?

ItnStln
09-06-2018, 07:33 AM
No degree? Well thank you as I don’t have a degree.
I do have 11,000+ hrs and 3 type ratings...oh and 350 hrs of glider time.

Before you take a swipe at glider flying have a read:

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/perlan-2-record/index.html

https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/q_auto,w_375,c_fill,g_auto,h_211,ar_16:9/http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.cnn.com%2Fcnnnext%2Fdam%2Fassets% 2F180903114647-airbus-perlan-mission-ii-1.jpg

I have a business degree and I learned a lot more working in business than I did in business school.

Is offline
09-06-2018, 08:44 AM
I cannot believe that. Glider pilots are some of the best stick and rudder pilots out there. If given two equal candidates, I would much rather hire the one with some glider time.

With the ridiculous 1500 hour requirement, lots of airlines are being forced to lower their hiring standards (taking people with training failures, DUI’s, etc...) just to get people in the door. I would much rather take a sharp aviatior with 1300 hours of airplane time and 200 hours of glider time, than someone with 1500 hours and training failures, DUI, no degree or low GPA, etc...

I would not call the 1500 hour rule ridiculous that has been the greatest accomplishment for regional pilots in decades. You poor millennial that actually has to get some experience before entering a flight deck. Give me a break. If you think 1500’s is ridiculous you should try 8 years of commuting to reserve...

Check Complete
09-06-2018, 09:22 AM
I cannot believe that. Glider pilots are some of the best stick and rudder pilots out there. If given two equal candidates, I would much rather hire the one with some glider time.

With the ridiculous 1500 hour requirement, lots of airlines are being forced to lower their hiring standards (taking people with training failures, DUI’s, etc...) just to get people in the door. I would much rather take a sharp aviatior with 1300 hours of airplane time and 200 hours of glider time, than someone with 1500 hours and training failures, DUI, no degree or low GPA, etc...

We are taking everyone, if you have any means of showing the minimums, you are on! Training failures, DUI's, misdemeanors, doesn't matter. We gladly take other airline failures.

I have been told that we are pursuing with the FAA to have some amount of drone time to help meet the mins. Presently we have teams that go to the military flight training bases to see if any would consider getting out early. In their presentations they include the pay scales of the legacies for further enticement.

I'm sure it's around the corner, kites, log that time it may help you get on?

ItnStln
09-06-2018, 09:34 AM
We are taking everyone, if you have any means of showing the minimums, you are on! Training failures, DUI's, misdemeanors, doesn't matter. We gladly take other airline failures.

I have been told that we are pursuing with the FAA to have some amount of drone time to help meet the mins. Presently we have teams that go to the military flight training bases to see if any would consider getting out early. In their presentations they include the pay scales of the legacies for further enticement.

I'm sure it's around the corner, kites, log that time it may help you get on?

I might have to get a drone and a kite now! Do you think my ATP from a flight simulator game will qualify in the future?

tomgoodman
09-06-2018, 09:54 AM
Glider credit varies inversely with the vehicle’s glide ratio: :D
Sailplane — 70/1
Flamed out 767 — 12/1
X-15 — 4/1

Utah
09-06-2018, 11:24 AM
I think we were able to hire better pilots when the minimums were at 1000/100. The interview team could be picky..

You also needed to be able to be done with IOE by 50 hours, none of this 100+ stuff.

futurav8r
09-06-2018, 11:31 AM
(He’s pointing out they misspelled glider [second instance] in an official hiring release).

In years past, glider and helo time was usually not accepted at any airline.
Phlyer, IDK about glider time, but most airlines have accepted some helo time. SkyWest accepted up to 400 hours of my time, for 200 hours credit toward their 1,000 minimum. They did not care that I already had my ATP...just needed that 1,000 hours!

Ace66
09-06-2018, 01:30 PM
Glider time is a better experience than doing laps in a pattern in a C172 on fair weather days...


Soaring cross countries where you are outside the glide range of any airport, for 500km+, over mountains, under and around thunderstorms, and landing out in fields/roads/whatever is definitely a bigger learning experience. Winter gliding requires tows through rotors to hook up to wave that can take you well above FL300. And then there's all the strategy and mental math on optimal speed between thermals and which thermals to pass up for bigger ones (largely done by flight computers these days).



Pretty sad that most of the guys in my initial class had flown only three airplanes: 172/Arrow/Seminole.

iahflyr
09-06-2018, 03:22 PM
I think we were able to hire better pilots when the minimums were at 1000/100. The interview team could be picky..

You also needed to be able to be done with IOE by 50 hours, none of this 100+ stuff.

My point exactly. Lower the mins to 1000/100 and let us be picky, rather than hiring anyone with a pulse.

TiredSoul
09-06-2018, 03:33 PM
I used some glider time for my initial CPL SE.
Without looking it up maybe 50hrs of which 15-20 cross county.
Whatever the max was you could use.
In reality it doesn’t really mean anytime by as few start with glider flying or hot air balloon or powered parachute or whatever else counts as ‘flight time’
Tempest in a tea cup my dear.

TroutBum
09-06-2018, 03:37 PM
Glider credit varies inversely with the vehicle’s glide ratio: :D
Sailplane — 70/1
Flamed out 767 — 12/1
X-15 — 4/1

I wonder how much glider time Sully logged? :p

ninerdriver
09-06-2018, 03:45 PM
You also needed to be able to be done with IOE by 50 hours, none of this 100+ stuff.

I've seen a few mentions of this over here now. I find it kind of astonishing. Who needs over 50 hours to get through IOE, never mind 100?

bradthepilot
09-06-2018, 03:52 PM
You also needed to be able to be done with IOE by 50 hours, none of this 100+ stuff.

New hires are getting 100hrs of IOE? Any idea what the average might be?

I think time in sailplanes, tailwheel, acro, etc. indicates that someone has put effort into developing stick-and-rudder skills beyond the minimum required.

rickair7777
09-06-2018, 04:07 PM
I wonder how much glider time Sully logged? :p

At least 00:01:30.

My CA and I were having beers at a hotel bar when an obvious crew asked to share our table. Turns out they were FDX, and the FO was new. This was back when hiring was really slow, and my CA asked the FDX FO how he managed to get hired at Purple. He responded that he had one hour of glider time.... which of course translated to two space shuttle missions.

ninerdriver
09-06-2018, 04:08 PM
New hires are getting 100hrs of IOE? Any idea what the average might be?

Most folks I've talked to at 9E finish between 25 and 30 hours. The 50 hour folks are the folks who are struggling (here, at least).

WesternSkies
09-06-2018, 04:29 PM
Hours can be misleading and we should go by legs.
We have 30 hour four days that don’t have many legs.

ItnStln
09-06-2018, 06:09 PM
I think we were able to hire better pilots when the minimums were at 1000/100. The interview team could be picky..

You also needed to be able to be done with IOE by 50 hours, none of this 100+ stuff.
What was 1000/100?

TiredSoul
09-06-2018, 06:15 PM
what was 1000/100?

1000tt
100me

ItnStln
09-06-2018, 06:18 PM
1000tt
100me

Thanks! Was that the required minimums or preferred minimums?

Ace66
09-06-2018, 08:28 PM
Hours can be misleading and we should go by legs.
We have 30 hour four days that don’t have many legs.


Especially when your first two trips are in the 7 and 9 with senior LCA's. No more than 3 legs a day and mostly 2 legs.


I see the 50 hour quoted a lot - did that include all three models? I was a couple of hours over 50 but that's what they scheduled initially - I had no additional trips added. So unless I finished before the end of the trip and they pulled me off, I don't know how I would have gotten under 50.

Paid2fly
09-06-2018, 10:27 PM
We are taking everyone, if you have any means of showing the minimums, you are on! Training failures, DUI's, misdemeanors, doesn't matter. We gladly take other airline failures.

I have been told that we are pursuing with the FAA to have some amount of drone time to help meet the mins. Presently we have teams that go to the military flight training bases to see if any would consider getting out early. In their presentations they include the pay scales of the legacies for further enticement.

I'm sure it's around the corner, kites, log that time it may help you get on?





You forgot to mention the petition for the FAA to allow up to 500 hours of paper airplane flight time...


;)


:eek:


:D

futurav8r
09-07-2018, 07:55 AM
Thanks! Was that the required minimums or preferred minimums?



That was the required minimums, IIRC.


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ItnStln
09-07-2018, 05:39 PM
That was the required minimums, IIRC.


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Thanks! Was that after it was 250 hours for 121 at one time?

Is offline
09-08-2018, 09:12 AM
Thanks! Was that after it was 250 hours for 121 at one time?

They didn’t lower the multi time till after the 1500 hour rule. From 2005-2012 a pilot with leas than 2000 hours wasn’t even getting looked at. How times change..

flywithjohn
09-08-2018, 09:20 AM
Most folks I've talked to at 9E finish between 25 and 30 hours. The 50 hour folks are the folks who are struggling (here, at least).

Mostly true, I do know a handful that intentionally dragged it out to avoid reserve. LCA called one out on during the trip.

ItnStln
09-08-2018, 10:31 AM
They didn’t lower the multi time till after the 1500 hour rule. From 2005-2012 a pilot with leas than 2000 hours wasn’t even getting looked at. How times change..

Thanks for the correction, I thought the minimums required for the airlines was 250 before the 1500 rule.

ItnStln
09-08-2018, 10:32 AM
Mostly true, I do know a handful that intentionally dragged it out to avoid reserve. LCA called one out on during the trip.

That sounds like an interesting conversation.

word302
09-08-2018, 12:10 PM
Thanks for the correction, I thought the minimums required for the airlines was 250 before the 1500 rule.

It was but Skywest never dropped below 1000 TT.

Turbosina
09-08-2018, 01:03 PM
Back to the original topic... glider time really improves one's stick and rudder skills, plus energy management skills as well. I started out in gliders and got my glider PPL before touching a Cessna. Even out on the line I can usually spot a glider pilot... They're the ones who manage those idle descents just perfectly from cruise to short final (outside of busy terminal areas, that is) without hardly touching the thrust levers or the boards.

In my opinion glider time is far more valuable than banging around the pattern in a 152 all day long...

jpso
09-08-2018, 01:12 PM
Back to the original topic... glider time really improves one's stick and rudder skills, plus energy management skills as well. I started out in gliders and got my glider PPL before touching a Cessna. Even out on the line I can usually spot a glider pilot... They're the ones who manage those idle descents just perfectly from cruise to short final (outside of busy terminal areas, that is) without hardly touching the thrust levers or the boards.

In my opinion glider time is far more valuable than banging around the pattern in a 152 all day long...

I agree; glider time definitely teaches aspects not learned in powered flight but, let's relax with the rest your statement.

Name User
09-08-2018, 01:20 PM
Thanks for the correction, I thought the minimums required for the airlines was 250 before the 1500 rule.

Legal mins vs actual mins...I was hired in 2005 and had 2000 hrs and ATP mins. I wasn't the lowest time guy in my class. The big one back then was multi time, I knew many CFIs who just flat out bought it. At 800-1000 hrs and 100 multi you could get an interview at most places.

There were some pay to play places that would give you level C training in an RJ and had hiring agreements with certain regionals, but most guys coming from that were ex-mil with a government VA benefit paying for it.

ItnStln
09-08-2018, 02:03 PM
It was but Skywest never dropped below 1000 TT.

Thanks for the clarification!

deus ex machina
09-08-2018, 02:10 PM
I'd take tail wheel time over glider time, every time....

NewGuy01
09-08-2018, 03:02 PM
Yeeesshhh. Why are pilots upset by this? I consider my glider flying some of the most valuable stick and rudder time ever. I arrived at SkyWest with about 5000tt. I flew with great captains, trained with great FOs. What’s not to like? Compared to the people I met in the 91/135 world SkyWest was amazing. I just can’t imagine being upset about gilder time lol.


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ItnStln
09-08-2018, 03:42 PM
Legal mins vs actual mins...I was hired in 2005 and had 2000 hrs and ATP mins. I wasn't the lowest time guy in my class. The big one back then was multi time, I knew many CFIs who just flat out bought it. At 800-1000 hrs and 100 multi you could get an interview at most places.

There were some pay to play places that would give you level C training in an RJ and had hiring agreements with certain regionals, but most guys coming from that were ex-mil with a government VA benefit paying for it.

Thanks!
filler

word302
09-08-2018, 03:47 PM
Yeeesshhh. Why are pilots upset by this? I consider my glider flying some of the most valuable stick and rudder time ever. I arrived at SkyWest with about 5000tt. I flew with great captains, trained with great FOs. What’s not to like? Compared to the people I met in the 91/135 world SkyWest was amazing. I just can’t imagine being upset about gilder time lol.


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It seems only 1 person is upset by it.

MiLa
09-08-2018, 07:54 PM
Thanks for the correction, I thought the minimums required for the airlines was 250 before the 1500 rule.

In the 2007 timeframe there were regionals hiring with 250 hours and 25 multi. SkyWest wasn’t one of them but I remember being at UND and Mesaba and Pinnacle (when they were still separate) were having interviews on campus during job fairs.... Didn’t last long though because of the financial crisis and then once hiring resumed you pretty much had to have at least 1000 TT.... AFAIK SkyWest never went below 1000 TT required.

ItnStln
09-09-2018, 08:21 AM
In the 2007 timeframe there were regionals hiring with 250 hours and 25 multi. SkyWest wasn’t one of them but I remember being at UND and Mesaba and Pinnacle (when they were still separate) were having interviews on campus during job fairs.... Didn’t last long though because of the financial crisis and then once hiring resumed you pretty much had to have at least 1000 TT.... AFAIK SkyWest never went below 1000 TT required.

That makes sense, thanks!

Excargodog
09-09-2018, 10:00 AM
It seems only 1 person is upset by it.

Not upset. Merely amused.

And while I would consider "sailplane" more accurate than "glider" (and certainly gilder) - at least in this century - God alone knows how badly the ad writers would have misspelled sailplane.

;)

threeighteen
09-10-2018, 12:11 PM
It was but Skywest never dropped below 1000 TT.
I know several hired at SkyWest with less. :confused:

TiredSoul
09-10-2018, 12:16 PM
Flight time is all airborne time in an “aircraft”.
Some people seem to have some issues with definitions.
Here’s a newsflash for you: every airline accepts glider time.

word302
09-10-2018, 12:22 PM
I know several hired at SkyWest with less. :confused:

Military? Otherwise I have never heard of that happening.

WesternSkies
09-10-2018, 12:26 PM
RTP mill babies are* less than 1000 and so young they don’t need to shave once for a four day!

threeighteen
09-10-2018, 12:31 PM
Military? Otherwise I have never heard of that happening.

Civilian. Both pre-2008 and post. 1000TT was a published minimum but not a solid minimum by any means.

threeighteen
09-10-2018, 12:34 PM
Flight time is all airborne time in an “aircraft”.
Some people seem to have some issues with definitions.
Here’s a newsflash for you: every airline accepts glider time.

I'd rather fly a regional jet with someone who used 1000 hours of glider time to get their ATP than someone who used 1000 hours of helicopter time to get their ATP. The odds of a regional jet turning into a glider are better than the odds of a regional jet turning into a helicopter.

WaterRooster
09-11-2018, 08:44 AM
I'd rather fly a regional jet with someone who used 1000 hours of glider time to get their ATP than someone who used 1000 hours of helicopter time to get their ATP. The odds of a regional jet turning into a glider are better than the odds of a regional jet turning into a helicopter.

I can’t roll my eyes hard enough.....

Voski
09-11-2018, 09:30 AM
As someone whose a helicopter pilot and glider pilot, while I won't disagree that airplane experience is obviously the most relevant experience to the job, to discount helicopter or glider time is asinine.

Some of my most valuable flight experience is glider time and I'd argue the most stressful and challenging flight experience was in military helicopters.

Itsajob
09-11-2018, 06:42 PM
No degree? Well thank you as I don’t have a degree.
I do have 11,000+ hrs and 3 type ratings...oh and 350 hrs of glider time.

Before you take a swipe at glider flying have a read:

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/perlan-2-record/index.html

https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/q_auto,w_375,c_fill,g_auto,h_211,ar_16:9/http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.cnn.com%2Fcnnnext%2Fdam%2Fassets% 2F180903114647-airbus-perlan-mission-ii-1.jpg
A degree has little if any impact on how good of a pilot is, but without one you could have twice the time and ratings and probably not get a job at a legacy. It doesn’t seem fair watching some 20 something with 3,000 hours and a degree go to the majors, but we all knew the rules going into this game.

KSCessnaDriver
09-12-2018, 07:41 AM
I must have been just downright dangerous when a 121 carrier took me with LTA time...

dbflyer
09-16-2018, 03:21 PM
I might have to get a drone and a kite now! Do you think my ATP from a flight simulator game will qualify in the future?

You wouldn't be the 1st person to try. Helicopter candidate but same idea.

Just Helicopters > Blog > The Perfect Pilot Job Candidate? (http://www.justhelicopters.com/Blog/tabid/554/Article/113060/The-Perfect-Pilot-Job-Candidate.aspx)

threeighteen
09-16-2018, 05:19 PM
I must have been just downright dangerous when a 121 carrier took me with LTA time...

probably should ASAP that A.S.A.P. ;)

ItnStln
09-18-2018, 04:46 PM
You wouldn't be the 1st person to try. Helicopter candidate but same idea.

Just Helicopters > Blog > The Perfect Pilot Job Candidate? (http://www.justhelicopters.com/Blog/tabid/554/Article/113060/The-Perfect-Pilot-Job-Candidate.aspx)

I can’t believe someone would actually try that. Now I’m about to update my resume with my ATP from Flight Simulator.