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crazy daisy
09-07-2018, 05:39 PM
Received the call from the recent DB, very excited. Also received notice that all 2018 dates are filled, and 2019 dates need to still be set. Any issue with waiting over 4 months to go to class? They will contact when the 2019 scheduled is set but wondering if anyone had a 4+month gap from call to training.


at6d
09-07-2018, 08:43 PM
Call them back and tell them you want to get on a standby list! You are ready right now!

stratman560
09-07-2018, 09:00 PM
Received the call from the recent DB, very excited. Also received notice that all 2018 dates are filled, and 2019 dates need to still be set. Any issue with waiting over 4 months to go to class? They will contact when the 2019 scheduled is set but wondering if anyone had a 4+month gap from call to training.

Iíll echo what most people will tell you, opt in for an earlier class. I was scheduled for class initially and got bumped up to a new class almost a whole month earlier than my original date. All said and done, my originally scheduled class date was around four months after my DB, but my new class date cut it back closer to three months. Good luck!!


CaptYoda
09-08-2018, 04:36 AM
If you opt for an earlier class, what kind of notice do you normally get in case a slot opens up? I ask because if someone has a potential Jan class, they probably won't be turning in their notice until 2 weeks or so prior if they are with another airline. Retired military would not be an issue.

Smooth at FL450
09-08-2018, 05:51 AM
If you opt for an earlier class, what kind of notice do you normally get in case a slot opens up? I ask because if someone has a potential Jan class, they probably won't be turning in their notice until 2 weeks or so prior if they are with another airline. Retired military would not be an issue.


I don't think there's any set amount of notice you'd get, but there is no sense of obligation for you to take a class if it's offered with too short of notice. They get it. But if a spot opens up next week due to a last minute self-eject (recruiting team term for someone who is offered a class date and then opts out for other opportunities) and you're not able to take it, they'll just go on to the next person. No harm no foul.


Keep this in mind regarding how quickly you can be in class: to be eligible for profit sharing, you must be an employee on Jan 1. If you start Jan 2 you'll be waiting a full year just to be eligible...

Timmay
09-08-2018, 05:58 AM
Crazy how much of a difference a day or two makes. A buddy of mine interviewed two days before me and had the same decision board. He got the 12/4 class, I got the "no classes till 2019" email.

CaptYoda
09-08-2018, 06:15 AM
So I gather anyone who interviewed in August onwards is probably looking at 2019 unless someone self-ejects.

barabek
09-08-2018, 06:16 AM
Crazy how much of a difference a day or two makes. A buddy of mine interviewed two days before me and had the same decision board. He got the 12/4 class, I got the "no classes till 2019" email.

Sorry to hear that. Your buddy probably got one of the last spots in that class and there's only 1 class planned for December. Make sure you volunteer as a stand by.

crazy daisy
09-08-2018, 06:49 AM
Call them back and tell them you want to get on a standby list! You are ready right now!

I should have mentioned that the link that came allowed for you to list standby, and then give and option for required 2 week notice or no notice required. I opted yes to standby with 2 week notice requirement. The second part where you pick a class date was empty and will be resent when dates open in 2019. Thanks for responding!

crazy daisy
09-08-2018, 07:01 AM
Iíll echo what most people will tell you, opt in for an earlier class. I was scheduled for class initially and got bumped up to a new class almost a whole month earlier than my original date. All said and done, my originally scheduled class date was around four months after my DB, but my new class date cut it back closer to three months. Good luck!!

Thanks for the reply. That gives me hope. Unfortunately my boss found out during the background check and it has been a ROUGH few days. Canít wait to start.

SimMonkey
09-08-2018, 11:09 AM
My last company I missed being furloughed by seven numbers. I would take the earliest available.

ZapBrannigan
09-08-2018, 12:40 PM
My last company I missed being furloughed by seven numbers. I would take the earliest available.


Thanks for the reply. That gives me hope. Unfortunately my boss found out during the background check and it has been a ROUGH few days. Canít wait to start.

These two things. Every single number counts.


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Ronin47
09-09-2018, 05:33 AM
Received the call from the recent DB, very excited. Also received notice that all 2018 dates are filled, and 2019 dates need to still be set. Any issue with waiting over 4 months to go to class? They will contact when the 2019 scheduled is set but wondering if anyone had a 4+month gap from call to training.

Ditto. Same here.

CaptYoda
09-10-2018, 05:18 AM
Do you recall if all your references were called prior to the DB or just a few out of the internal/externals?

crazy daisy
09-10-2018, 09:48 AM
Do you recall if all your references were called prior to the DB or just a few out of the internal/externals?

I had 3 of 5 called right way, two days after interview. They only chose 3.

CaptYoda
09-10-2018, 10:34 AM
Thanks for the info.

Ronin47
09-10-2018, 11:26 AM
Do you recall if all your references were called prior to the DB or just a few out of the internal/externals?

I had 3 out of 6 references called 5 days after my Aug 21 interview. Got the call from CP on Sept 5th Decision Board. Waiting for a class date now. All Good!

hoover
09-10-2018, 04:15 PM
I was called often to move up in class. Shortest notice was 4 days. I said I needed two weeks they obliged.
I echo what others say about getting on before Jan 1. I had to wait 26 months to get my first profit sharing check.

badpilot4life
09-11-2018, 04:04 AM
I had to wait 26 months to get my first profit sharing check.

why? .

RJSAviator76
09-11-2018, 04:53 AM
why? .

Suppose you're hired January 4, 2019. You don't get profit sharing for the entire 2019. Lame, I know...

You're off probation in January 2020 and conversely, 2020 is the first year you were employed from January 1 until the end of the year making you eligible for profit sharing. Now, if profit sharing is paid in March, you don't see your 2020 profit sharing until March 2021.

26 months on the property, and a 3rd year FO.

Moral of the story... get into December class if at all possible.

at6d
09-11-2018, 08:53 AM
He got a check?

Okie Play
09-11-2018, 09:23 AM
Yeah, but profit sharing is based on a percentage of your qualified wages. So if you start in December you will be eligible for profit sharing but, you will only get 10-14 percent of what you worked for the entire year, ie. December. So, your profit sharing will equal a couple hundred dollars. Not that big of deal in the grand scheme of things.

However, I echo what everyone has said and take the earliest class you can, just don't let the lack of profit sharing for one month be one of your main considerations.

saab2000
09-11-2018, 09:48 AM
Suppose you're hired January 4, 2019. You don't get profit sharing for the entire 2019. Lame, I know...

You're off probation in January 2020 and conversely, 2020 is the first year you were employed from January 1 until the end of the year making you eligible for profit sharing. Now, if profit sharing is paid in March, you don't see your 2020 profit sharing until March 2021.

26 months on the property, and a 3rd year FO.

Moral of the story... get into December class if at all possible.

Yes. My class was February 7, 2017 and we didn't get anything. I will get some profit sharing next year I think.

Anyway, I can only add to the chorus telling everyone to take the earliest possible class date. I got moved up at a previous carrier and it actually made a significant difference in QOL as much of my time spent there was during the doldrums of the 2000s and 2010s and being even a dozen numbers higher was not insignificant in bidding terms and upgrade time.

Definitely take the earliest class date unless there is a really, really good reason not to do so.

Proximity
09-11-2018, 09:49 AM
Yeah, but profit sharing is based on a percentage of your qualified wages. So if you start in December you will be eligible for profit sharing but, you will only get 10-14 percent of what you worked for the entire year, ie. December. So, your profit sharing will equal a couple hundred dollars. Not that big of deal in the grand scheme of things.

That's not correct, you only eligible for profit share when you work a full calendar year. That's why posters are telling someone with a potential Jan class to try and get to Dec, if you start in Jan 2019, no profit share for any of 2019. If you start just a month earlier, in Dec 2018, full profit share for 2019. Could easily be a $6-12k difference in first year earnings depending on PS percent and how hard you work.

Okie Play
09-11-2018, 10:57 AM
That's not correct, you only eligible for profit share when you work a full calendar year. That's why posters are telling someone with a potential Jan class to try and get to Dec, if you start in Jan 2019, no profit share for any of 2019. If you start just a month earlier, in Dec 2018, full profit share for 2019. Could easily be a $6-12k difference in first year earnings depending on PS percent and how hard you work.

Oh, well then nevermind! That would make a difference wouldn't it?

flyguy81
09-12-2018, 02:08 PM
Oh, well then nevermind! That would make a difference wouldn't it?

I was hired the tail end of 2015. Got a profit sharing check in 2017 for $11k or so for 2016 wages. Buddy took a 1/6 class due to a trip he wanted to take before class. He keeps saying that that ended up being a really expensive trip (due to not getting any profit sharing for 2016).

at6d
09-12-2018, 02:32 PM
I was hired the tail end of 2015. Got a profit sharing check in 2017 for $11k or so for 2016 wages. Buddy took a 1/6 class due to a trip he wanted to take before class. He keeps saying that that ended up being a really expensive trip (due to not getting any profit sharing for 2016).

Just curious, how did you end up with a check? Did you max out your 401k? I thought it went into a profit sharing account?

flyguy81
09-12-2018, 05:40 PM
Just curious, how did you end up with a check? Did you max out your 401k? I thought it went into a profit sharing account?

poor choice of words....it all went into the empower acct. My 2017 profit sharing maxed it out and I got a overage check for like $2k.

at6d
09-12-2018, 08:28 PM
Got it. I wanted to make sure I didnít miss that part in class....thanks.

crazy daisy
09-13-2018, 11:08 AM
Still no training date news for January. Just wondering if anyone knew if there are more than 1 new hire class in Nov.? I believe only 1 class in Dec. too. I will take first available I can get, and would like to keep any hope for earlier dates in the radar. Thx

Kalamazoo
09-13-2018, 11:38 AM
2 November classes as of last update. No word on 2019 yet.

Uptair
09-13-2018, 11:57 AM
Definitely take the first class if you can. If you start after the new year you will not see profit sharing until 2021. You have to be on property a full calendar year. After 14 months here I have 1000 pilots junior to me!

crazy daisy
09-13-2018, 01:00 PM
Definitely take the first class if you can. If you start after the new year you will not see profit sharing until 2021. You have to be on property a full calendar year. After 14 months here I have 1000 pilots junior to me!

I will take anything, just nothing available at this point. Fingers are crossed something opens up and I can start. I sadly understand the furlough world first hand so first date is my priority. Just right now there are no dates at all to pick. 1,000 junior to you is awesome, congrats

crazy daisy
09-13-2018, 01:54 PM
2 November classes as of last update. No word on 2019 yet.

Thanks for posting this.

DaveF
09-13-2018, 06:03 PM
Still no training date news for January. Just wondering if anyone knew if there are more than 1 new hire class in Nov.? I believe only 1 class in Dec. too. I will take first available I can get, and would like to keep any hope for earlier dates in the radar. Thx

Thereís definitely hope for an earlier class. I was contacted today for an earlier class date from 10-16 to 10-9 and an individual who interviewed the same day as I did got moved sooner as well. Keep an eye on your email if youíre hoping for an earlier class date itís a real possibilty!

CaptYoda
09-14-2018, 01:17 PM
Are there 3 classes in Oct based on the 78 new hires, or just two?

Kalamazoo
09-14-2018, 01:35 PM
Should be 3. Each class has approximately 26 slots.

SimMonkey
09-14-2018, 06:44 PM
Per email today:

2019 Hiring 500+. Upgrades 400+

pugpilot
09-15-2018, 09:30 AM
has anyone gotten travel info for the 10/2 class yet?

opas76
09-15-2018, 11:01 AM
Per email today:

2019 Hiring 500+. Upgrades 400+

Thatís great news!!!

CaptYoda
09-25-2018, 05:46 AM
Any idea how many folks who interviewed and were successful are still waiting for class dates? Was told 2018 was spoken for at the moment and if 2019 slows a bit for new-hires then are we looking at a pool?

French3Holer
09-26-2018, 05:46 AM
Any idea how many folks who interviewed and were successful are still waiting for class dates? Was told 2018 was spoken for at the moment and if 2019 slows a bit for new-hires then are we looking at a pool?

Maybe someone with better knowledge can chime in. I understand that the requirements for AQP requires CA upgrades be paired with an FO (new hire). That may be why we are behind on upgrades so they can balance the load of upgrades and new hires??

flyguy81
09-26-2018, 09:29 AM
Maybe someone with better knowledge can chime in. I understand that the requirements for AQP requires CA upgrades be paired with an FO (new hire). That may be why we are behind on upgrades so they can balance the load of upgrades and new hires??

We're not upgrading 1:1. Unless something's changed recently new hires are paired together in class. Upgrades do their own thing.

e6bpilot
09-26-2018, 10:24 AM
We're not upgrading 1:1. Unless something's changed recently new hires are paired together in class. Upgrades do their own thing.


Correct. If you think about it, in a pure growth for fleet size model (what we are currently in) anyway, each upgrade would require two new hires, so you would never have a one for one scenario work out.

BigWillyCapt
09-26-2018, 11:01 AM
I did hear a from one of the training chiefs at one of our get-togethers that they are contemplating this in the future. Upgrades paired with a new -hire.

Just curious, I think it would be a challenge, but why do you require 2 NH for each upgrade? Traditionally, an airline carries more captains because of seniority/medical etc. Also, I would assume the footprint for upgrade is shorter than for initial so that would complicate it a bit.

barabek
09-26-2018, 11:48 AM
I did hear a from one of the training chiefs at one of our get-togethers that they are contemplating this in the future. Upgrades paired with a new -hire.

Just curious, I think it would be a challenge, but why do you require 2 NH for each upgrade? Traditionally, an airline carries more captains because of seniority/medical etc. Also, I would assume the footprint for upgrade is shorter than for initial so that would complicate it a bit.

If you wanna grow equally for both seats:
1 upgrade = -1 FO
You need 2 newhires to replace one upgraded FO to CA.
Example: you have 100 CAs and 100 FOs. You wanna increase staffing and end up with 150 of each. You upgrade 50 FOs to CAs. How many FOs do you need to hire to end up with 150?
Obviously that's easy math. I hope I didn't sound condescending. There are many variables like attrition, check airmen, non-flying positions, etc. I bet the math is more complicated, thus never exactly 1:2.

TheBlueBaron
09-26-2018, 02:55 PM
Any idea how many folks who interviewed and were successful are still waiting for class dates? Was told 2018 was spoken for at the moment and if 2019 slows a bit for new-hires then are we looking at a pool?

What I was told was that all classes have been filled for the rest of this year. Pilots without assigned class dates may get moved up to this year if a spot opens up.

We have reduced classes for the first quarter of next year so we can focus on upgrades and ETOPS. 1 class in Jan, 1 in Feb, & 1 in Mar, then multiple NH classes per month the rest of '19.

The training dept. has been told to plan for 550 NH's next year. That (official) number is expected to be 750-900ish just like last year and this year.

Still waiting on a few more (3 I think) sims to fill out the LEAD building. That will happen in '19. Immediately after that, work on extending the LEAD building begins.

Thats all I can remember.

at6d
09-26-2018, 03:51 PM
Thatís pretty much what we were told in recurrent last month.

Salukidawg
09-27-2018, 05:41 AM
Only believe half of what you hear at the training center. The oldest joke at Southwest is ďguess what I heard a check airman say at the training center?Ē

at6d
09-27-2018, 11:27 AM
Yes of course...but they have been pretty accurate the last few years when it comes to hiring numbers.

btodd77
09-27-2018, 04:18 PM
Class invites are starting to go out for January. 1/8 is first class date.

Ronin47
09-27-2018, 04:23 PM
Received an Email today for a January 8th , 2019 class date! Super excited!
Looking forward to joining the Southwest family!

btodd77
09-27-2018, 04:33 PM
Received an Email today for a January 8th , 2019 class date! Super excited!
Looking forward to joining the Southwest family!

See you there. Two other folks I interviewed with got the same email today as well.

CaptYoda
09-28-2018, 05:42 AM
Decision board in Sept 2018. Got a Feb 2019 Class date. So it looks like a 5 month wait for class date after the DB unless an earlier slot opens up.

jeflies
09-28-2018, 08:52 AM
Interviewed Aug 21, DB Sept 5, Jan 8 class. Canít wait!


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ZapBrannigan
09-28-2018, 12:26 PM
3-4 months is a long time when everybody is hiring. Wonder how many of these folks SW will lose to other airlines in the meantime.


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CaptYoda
09-28-2018, 01:01 PM
I am hoping for an earlier class date for that very reason;)

btodd77
10-02-2018, 12:45 PM
Anyone have any idea how training will work around the holidays?? Starting in the 12/4 class and kids are understandably asking questions.

Thanks in advance

CaptYoda
10-02-2018, 03:13 PM
How many in the class today, and did anyone get moved up to this class from a later date?

Smooth at FL450
10-02-2018, 03:37 PM
3-4 months is a long time when everybody is hiring. Wonder how many of these folks SW will lose to other airlines in the meantime.


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No too many, word is the others have slowed down as well. Delta is on a longer slow down than we are...

Ronin47
10-03-2018, 03:17 AM
No too many, word is the others have slowed down as well. Delta is on a longer slow down than we are...

Word on the street that Delta is 850 pilots "heavy" or overstaffed? I don't work there so I don't know. Any Delta guys want to chime in? I don't have a dog in this fight, I just wish all newbies the best.

saab2000
10-03-2018, 04:05 AM
Word on the street that Delta is 850 pilots "heavy" or overstaffed? I don't work there so I don't know. Any Delta guys want to chime in? I don't have a dog in this fight, I just wish all newbies the best.

With so many fleet types and their global operation, 850 pilots is a small number, especially considering the retirements they are facing.

SWA has fewer imminent retirements and no fleet-to-fleet training downtime. The single fleet type makes SWA pilots far more productive than their legacy counterparts at places like Delta and even United, though their fleet is less complex than Deltaís.

squirtinvert
10-03-2018, 08:15 AM
Had a United newhire on the jumpseat. He was in the pool for 9 months and said that interviewees are being told 6-9 months in the pool there. While others have larger retirements at least currently there is still a substantial wait to be on property at some of the others.

Ugly
10-03-2018, 10:31 AM
Word on the street that Delta is 850 pilots "heavy" or overstaffed? I don't work there so I don't know. Any Delta guys want to chime in? I don't have a dog in this fight, I just wish all newbies the best.

Delta resumes hiring in November with the next new-hire class scheduled for 10 December.

RNO Flyer
04-18-2019, 08:19 PM
Is there any forecast of WN class dates or how many classes for the second half of this year?

flyguy81
04-18-2019, 08:52 PM
Is there any forecast of WN class dates or how many classes for the second half of this year?

Think 1 class a month thru summer with 2 classes or so a month after. Majority of new hires coming after June. Could change depending on the Max.

Sqwk7700
04-18-2019, 09:55 PM
Is there any forecast of WN class dates or how many classes for the second half of this year?

Iíve heard of two class dates in june so far.

Kalamazoo
04-19-2019, 06:26 AM
Hot off the press....

WHACKMASTER
04-19-2019, 08:05 AM
Unreadable.

JohnDoe
04-19-2019, 08:14 AM
Thereís a June 4 and 11th, and 2 in July but I donít know those dates. They told us they have no plans as of yet to slow even with the MAX issue, said it would be revisited in July and go from there.

pugpilot
04-19-2019, 08:33 AM
Hot off the press....

well done sir

French3Holer
04-19-2019, 08:36 AM
Flew with a CA yesterday who has a close connection with a NOC Chief Pilot who said as of now no plans to slow hiring. 2 classes a month through Nov and then one in Dec.

My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Gary K. pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.

flyguy81
04-19-2019, 08:40 AM
Classes on 5/7, 6/4, 6/11, 7/9, 7/16, 8/6, 8/20, 9/3, 9/10, 9/24, 10/8, 10/22, 11/5, 11/12, 12/3

ROFF
04-19-2019, 12:17 PM
Shoot, and I just sold my boat because I heard we were going to furlough.

Toby Flenderson
04-21-2019, 03:57 AM
Hello all,

A friend of mine has an interview next month, which heís excited about. However, he doesnít want to leave his current employer until November. There is no contract with them but theyíre flying overseas and he wants to help them out as they have been good to him. The flying concludes in October. If he makes it through the interview, you think itíll be possible to delay class until December? Or is this absolute preposterous thinking?

Peacock
04-21-2019, 04:15 AM
Hello all,

A friend of mine has an interview next month, which heís excited about. However, he doesnít want to leave his current employer until November. There is no contract with them but theyíre flying overseas and he wants to help them out as they have been good to him. The flying concludes in October. If he makes it through the interview, you think itíll be possible to delay class until December? Or is this absolute preposterous thinking?

If he interviews in May, he could have a class date as early as June. Delaying until December would be voluntarily letting 300+ guys get on the seniority list ahead of him, not to mention raising eyebrows with the hiring people. They donít generally interview people with availability dates more than six months out, so your friend probably gave a much earlier availability date than December.

So yeah thatís a really dumb idea for more than one reason.

Toby Flenderson
04-21-2019, 04:19 AM
If he interviews in May, he could have a class date as early as June. Delaying until December would be voluntarily letting 300+ guys get on the seniority list ahead of him, not to mention raising eyebrows with the hiring people. They donít generally interview people with availability dates more than six months out, so your friend probably gave a much earlier availability date than December.

So yeah thatís a really dumb idea for more than one reason.

Sorry, not to mention that 6 months of crazy pay thatíll help him save to go through another training period... heís looking from a financial perspective. Even a November or end of October class would suffice.

4V14T0R
04-21-2019, 04:40 AM
Sorry, not to mention that 6 months of crazy pay thatíll help him save to go through another training period... heís looking from a financial perspective. Even a November or end of October class would suffice.



Heíll hear in the interview that according to the legal department they will offer two classes upon receiving a CJO. If those donít work out you have to fill a class within 90 days of the decision board otherwise you have to reapply.


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Peacock
04-21-2019, 04:41 AM
Sorry, not to mention that 6 months of crazy pay thatíll help him save to go through another training period... heís looking from a financial perspective. Even a November or end of October class would suffice.
Again, they didnít invite you to interview now to start work in the fall/winter. If you listed October/November/December as your availability date, you would not have received the invite. Waiting until after getting a job offer to switch your availability is a dishonest, foolish, short sighted decision.

captjns
04-21-2019, 04:45 AM
Unreadable.

Doesn’t matter even if you can’t read... not withstanding for your lack of love for LUV, you’re still on the Air Tran Seniority List.

Peacock
04-21-2019, 04:47 AM
Doesnít matter even if you canít read... not withstanding for your lack of love for LUV, youíre still on the Air Tran Seniority List.

You get ruffled enough on the tool of the day thread to follow him over here?

CriticalMach
04-21-2019, 04:51 AM
Again, they didnít invite you to interview now to start work in the fall/winter. If you listed October/November/December as your availability date, you would not have received the invite. Waiting until after getting a job offer to switch your availability is a dishonest, foolish, short sighted decision.

Thanks for the insight.

ZapBrannigan
04-21-2019, 05:09 AM
This is one of the worst ideas Iíve ever heard and reflects a deep misunderstanding of airline history and how the seniority system works. Take the first class you are offered and then ask to be on standby for an earlier one.

Or stay where you are at.


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at6d
04-21-2019, 10:17 AM
Being one number ahead can be the difference between a hard line and reserve, getting the domicile you want, a vacation slot, a captain vacancy, or even being furloughed.

Two weeks notice is the industry standard. I understand feeling obligated to a company that treats you well, but you are trying to land a multi-million dollar career.

Ask your friend how much money and seniority he is willing to give up to help out his company, because the end result is permanent.

Also, first year pay isnít poverty wages.

If anything, ask to get into an earlier class!

Toby Flenderson
04-22-2019, 03:20 AM
Being one number ahead can be the difference between a hard line and reserve, getting the domicile you want, a vacation slot, a captain vacancy, or even being furloughed.

Two weeks notice is the industry standard. I understand feeling obligated to a company that treats you well, but you are trying to land a multi-million dollar career.

Ask your friend how much money and seniority he is willing to give up to help out his company, because the end result is permanent.

Also, first year pay isnít poverty wages.




If anything, ask to get into an earlier class!


This. Thank you for educated feedback.

donpizmeov2
04-22-2019, 05:42 AM
Being one number ahead can be the difference between a hard line and reserve, getting the domicile you want, a vacation slot, a captain vacancy, or even being furloughed.

Two weeks notice is the industry standard. I understand feeling obligated to a company that treats you well, but you are trying to land a multi-million dollar career.

Ask your friend how much money and seniority he is willing to give up to help out his company, because the end result is permanent.

Also, first year pay isnít poverty wages.

If anything, ask to get into an earlier class!

Speaking of hard line ... how line is the reserve in BWI nowadays? thanks

flyguy81
04-22-2019, 08:42 AM
Heíll hear in the interview that according to the legal department they will offer two classes upon receiving a CJO. If those donít work out you have to fill a class within 90 days of the decision board otherwise you have to reapply.


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Sorta true. Got a buddy hired last year and requested a June class due to living/working overseas and wanting his kids to finish the school year. So possible depending on your circumstances....as long as you donít mind the seniority loss.

Twinjetav8r
04-22-2019, 09:08 AM
Being one number ahead can be the difference between a hard line and reserve, getting the domicile you want, a vacation slot, a captain vacancy, or even being furloughed.



Two weeks notice is the industry standard. I understand feeling obligated to a company that treats you well, but you are trying to land a multi-million dollar career.



Ask your friend how much money and seniority he is willing to give up to help out his company, because the end result is permanent.



Also, first year pay isnít poverty wages.



If anything, ask to get into an earlier class!



Yes. Take this and Zapís advice.

When I was hired at NW Airlink in 1996, upgrades were a year. Great. We had a lot of out stations along with our two main bases of Memphis and Minneapolis. Coming up on the year mark, they closed all the out stations, along with Minneapolis. The last class to upgrade when this happened was, you guessed it, the one class before me. I sat F/O for two more years.

Donít ever pass up seniority. Give two weeks if you can. Even if you canít, try to work out something to leave earlier. Do it.


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4V14T0R
04-22-2019, 10:20 AM
Sorta true. Got a buddy hired last year and requested a June class due to living/working overseas and wanting his kids to finish the school year. So possible depending on your circumstances....as long as you donít mind the seniority loss.



Absolutely. I donít doubt they work with people if youíre upfront about it. Thatís just what we were told in the interview.


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captjns
04-23-2019, 04:51 AM
You get ruffled enough on the tool of the day thread to follow him over here?

No worries mate... youíre significant other can speak for him/herself.



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